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Get rid of the right to bear arms (NYT article on revising the Constitution)
The New York Times ^ | 7/8/2012 | Melynda Price

Posted on 07/09/2012 5:30:24 AM PDT by darrellmaurina

I came of age when the word “drive-by” entered the American lexicon. By high school graduation, I lost one cousin to gun violence and another was incarcerated for a gun crime. I know many harmed by guns and even more who feared the possibility. I always wonder if, but for the Second Amendment, there would be a more radical commitment to compromise and peacefully working through easy and difficult issues. In writing the Second Amendment, the Framers didn't envision the kind of gun toting that is permitted across this country today.... I am not naïve enough to believe that doing away with the Second Amendment would do away with gun violence, but I know firsthand the impact of guns and gun shots on children. This nation was constructed and reconstructed in the aftermath of violent and bloody conflicts. Still, the Framers believed that not only the Constitution, but also the peaceful way the document was created, would penetrate the Americans' minds and change they engaged. The Constitution would be the only weapon needed unless there was an external enemy.

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It looks like the gun banners are finally coming out of the closet and being open about trying to amend rather than "reinterpret" the Second Amendment. This needs to get widespread and immediate attention in conservative circles so we can prove to moderates that the other side really **IS** trying to ban private gun ownership contrary to the Constitution.
1 posted on 07/09/2012 5:30:29 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: darrellmaurina

To arms! To arms!


2 posted on 07/09/2012 5:32:31 AM PDT by DonkeyBonker
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To: darrellmaurina

The progressives know the second amendment is the only thing standing between us and a leftist dictatorship. I’m not surprised to see them fighting tooth and nail to disarm us.


3 posted on 07/09/2012 5:32:36 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: darrellmaurina

How about we ban the NY Times instead.


4 posted on 07/09/2012 5:32:53 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: Jim Robinson; onyx

Jim and Onyx, I think this New York Times article needs more attention on Free Republic than a post by me would ordinarily get for it. If warranted, perhaps there are keywords or ping lists which would help in getting attention to this article.

Your call, obviously...


5 posted on 07/09/2012 5:34:44 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: darrellmaurina
By high school graduation, I lost one cousin to gun violence and another was incarcerated for a gun crime.

Well, Ms. Price, where do you live, in metro NYC where guns are all but illegal and only criminals have guns?

6 posted on 07/09/2012 5:37:10 AM PDT by CPOSharky (zero slogan: Expect less, pay more. (apologies to Target))
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To: darrellmaurina

Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.


7 posted on 07/09/2012 5:37:59 AM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: darrellmaurina

under the radar got caught


8 posted on 07/09/2012 5:38:43 AM PDT by dontreadthis
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To: darrellmaurina

“I came of age when the word “drive-by” entered the American lexicon.”

That’s only because he and his ilk removed the term “Return Fire” from the American lexicon.


9 posted on 07/09/2012 5:39:20 AM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: darrellmaurina
> . In writing the Second Amendment, the Framers didn't envision the kind of gun toting that is permitted across this country today.

Imbecile. She's only right in the sense that the Framers didn't envision what pusillanimous weaklings their descendents would become. The Framers lived in a time when a gentleman was not properly dressed for going out if he was not carrying a weapon, and irreconcilable differences between men were settled by the rules of code duello. Read about the death of Alexander Hamilton, for God's sake!

10 posted on 07/09/2012 5:40:01 AM PDT by Flatus I. Maximus (OVERTHROW OBAMA!)
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To: darrellmaurina

I dont know of one person personally who has been shot or got aids. Maybe Dems should tell their supporters to control themselves rather than to expect big daddy gov to take care of them.


11 posted on 07/09/2012 5:40:01 AM PDT by sickoflibs (ABBBO chant: "We must support Romney because he doesn't matter." (Obam-ney Care is bad now ))
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To: CPOSharky
The first two cities to put in Rent Control were New York City and San Francisco.

The two highest cities with the most expensive rents in America

12 posted on 07/09/2012 5:40:38 AM PDT by scooby321 (h tones)
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To: darrellmaurina; marktwain; Joe Brower; MestaMachine; Nachum; Lurker; CodeToad; Squantos; Eaker; ...
How "elite" Manhattan Libtards see firearms ownership:


13 posted on 07/09/2012 5:40:43 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: darrellmaurina

Were it not for the unconstitutional activities done by the federal government right now I would dismiss these rantings for the horse manure that it is. We really do need to start educating children and adults on the principles on which our country was founded.


14 posted on 07/09/2012 5:41:02 AM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: darrellmaurina

There is so much wrong in just that one paragraph that I don’t know what to say....

:(

“the Framers believed that not only the Constitution, but also the peaceful way the document was created”

History was definitely NOT her forte...


15 posted on 07/09/2012 5:41:06 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: umgud

I’ve lost family members to the incideous LIB philosopy. I believe we should ban LIB ideas.


16 posted on 07/09/2012 5:41:35 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: darrellmaurina
By high school graduation, I lost one cousin to gun violence and another was incarcerated for a gun crime.

I'd be stunned if in both cases the guns involved weren't already illegal and were used by perps who had previous records of violent crime that should have kept them off the streets to begin with.

17 posted on 07/09/2012 5:42:47 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything)
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To: darrellmaurina
I posted the below on another gun thread (Soris & the UN Arms Treaty) that was then hijacked by Romney/Anti-Romney posters - but I think that our 2nd Amendment rights are so threaten by the UN Arms Treaty and the left's propaganda campaign to falsely assert otherwise that I'm re-posting it here.
Claiming that the UN Arms Treaty is anything else but an assault on US gun rights is the boldest leftwing lie since "peaceful coexistence" and here's why.

First, a link to the text of the treaty: "The Arms Trade Treaty (A/RES/64/48)"

Excerpted below is the section of this Treaty that calls on States{nations} for an implementation:

"Calls upon all States to implement, on a national basis, the relevant recommendations contained in section VII of the report of the Group of Governmental Experts (See A/63/334)."
Next is a link to the text of the referenced report: "Report of the Group of Governmental Experts to examine the feasibility, scope and draft parameters for a comprehensive, legally binding instrument establishing common international standards for the import, export and transfer of conventional arms (A/63/334)"

Excerpted below is the only one of three section (27-29) in above referenced "section VII" ("Conclusions and recommendations") dictating the responsibilities and required actions of signatory States:

29. The Group acknowledged the respective responsibilities of exporters and importers. In order to begin improving the current situation, the Group recognized the need for all States to ensure that their national systems and internal controls are at the highest possible standards, and that States in a position to do so could render assistance in this regard, upon request. {Emphasises added.}
How can America agreeing to implement UN requested "internal controls" of our "nation system" of gun regulations not be surrendering American 2nd Amendment rights?

Once signing such a treaty, what should Americans expect if the UN should "request" a tighter "standard" of US "internal controls" on guns and America's elected government officials refuses to comply?

All out LAWFARE, financed by the same leftist front groups (Soros' included) to force compliance through US courts! Note the "supremacy clause" of the Constitution which provides that the “Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.” {Emphasis added}

18 posted on 07/09/2012 5:44:09 AM PDT by drpix
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To: darrellmaurina
Still, the Framers believed that not only the Constitution, but also the peaceful way the document was created, would penetrate the Americans' minds and change they engaged. The Constitution would be the only weapon needed unless there was an external enemy.

The framers absolutely did not believe any such thing.

They believed that citizens should be armed to protect themselves from all enemies, foreign and domestic.
And they were especially concerned with an overreaching government so they specifically limited the powers of the government.

19 posted on 07/09/2012 5:44:58 AM PDT by oldbrowser (Your character is your fate.....fortune cookie)
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To: darrellmaurina
Perhaps someone might send a polite email to her blog, appropriately named "Thoughts of an Ivory Tower Interloper."

Melynda Price is an associate professor at the University of Kentucky College of Law.

20 posted on 07/09/2012 5:45:47 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: sickoflibs
The surest measure of a man is the company he keeps.

Liberals spend a lot of time hobnobbing with reprobates, criminals and perverts. They even seek out their company. It tells me all that I need to know about them.

21 posted on 07/09/2012 5:46:11 AM PDT by jboot (Galt by default.)
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To: darrellmaurina

By this idiots thinking, Mexico should be a Utopia.


22 posted on 07/09/2012 5:46:45 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Mouton
4 posted on Mon Jul 09 2012 07:32:53 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by Mouton: “How about we ban the NY Times instead.”

As tempting as that might be, I don't think Alexander Hamilton (founder of the New York Post) or colonial publisher Benjamin Franklin would like that idea very much. The First Amendment goes back in concept to the 1735 trial of John Peter Zenger, a New York City newspaper editor who was arrested and imprisoned on libel charges after criticizing a corrupt New York colonial governor. The refusal of the jury to convict Zenger despite clearly having violated existing law established the principle in America that truth is an absolute defense against libel and that news media have the inherent right (and responsibility) to criticize the government.

As I like to say to my liberal colleagues, it's pretty hard to advocate restrictions on the rights conveyed by the Second Amendment without logically opening doors to restrictions on the First Amendment.

That means the New York Times has every right under the First Amendment to publish this nonsense, and we on Free Republic have every right under the same First Amendment to dissect the nonsense and prove it to be idiotic.

23 posted on 07/09/2012 5:46:50 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: darrellmaurina
Anyone can add Keywords or Topics, it does not have to be the person who started the thread

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24 posted on 07/09/2012 5:48:40 AM PDT by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: DonkeyBonker

Ms. Price:

Perhaps you should look harder at the kind of upbringing your family members were indulged with. I also have a number of ‘cousins’ as you refer to them. I am not sure of the exact usage of your verbage, but will accept ‘cousins’.

I was raised in a household where there were a number of guns. Rifles, shotguns, other combinations of same & handguns.

While we certainly did not have an ‘Ozzie & Harriet’ upbringing there NEVER was one single thought that using a gun or grabbing a gun as a threat was acceptable. As we grew older, guns were used by every child raised in that family.

A GUN is an INANIMATE object. You may have to have someone explain that definition to you.

A gun doesn’t do any harm all by itself. It can actually be owned for many years by someone & never have any kind of problem with it’s usage!!! Surprise!

Nobody did a single thing about banning Oldsmobiles when Teddy Kennedy tried to test his ability to drive while intoxicated & killed his passenger....

You are on the wrong path towards a solution to gun violence.

Your solution starts with proper discipline in the home & in the schools, IMO. Since your ‘cousin’ is now not a threat to others of us who can behave in society, we all can sleep a little better, also.


25 posted on 07/09/2012 5:49:10 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Bigh4u2
“but also the peaceful way the document was created”

Hah hah!! You are right.

She kind of forgot the American Revolution thingy. That Washington guy and those Redcoat nasties probably were not in her high school text book.

Bet she was taught all about the brave early 20th century labor leaders however.

Math is hard....

26 posted on 07/09/2012 5:49:47 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland ("The writing is on the wall - Unions are screwed. reformist2 10:04 PM #27")
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To: darrellmaurina

‘...but also the peaceful way the document was created, would penetrate the Americans’ minds and change they engaged.’

The author seems unacquainted w/ the Revolutionary War.

‘The Constitution would be the only weapon needed unless there was an external enemy.’

There are no internal enemies? You need look not further than the WH and the dem party...and much of the republican party as well.

I did read further but this opinion seems not well thought out. OTOH Im sure any number of people will believe it. Sad but true.


27 posted on 07/09/2012 5:52:11 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: Travis McGee

If Kentucky is dumb enough to hire this person & pay her to ‘teach law’, then Kentucky gets permanently crossed off my list of possible places to move to in the future.

Danial Boone would be rolling in his grave——


28 posted on 07/09/2012 5:53:00 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: darrellmaurina
If you remove black gun violence from the crime statistics, the US is right in the middle of Europe in terms of violence.

I say that the Second Amendment should be revoked for blacks as a form of reparations for all the the violence they have perpetrated upon society.

29 posted on 07/09/2012 5:53:39 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: darrellmaurina

The NYT needs to understand the Founding Fathers never anticipated a Godless society, swarming with gangs of lawless thugs.

Most certainly, they never envisioned fascists demanding the law abiding citizen disarming themselves, to become compliant victims of these thugs and Godless government.


30 posted on 07/09/2012 5:55:47 AM PDT by G Larry (I'm under no obligation to be a passive victim!)
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To: jboot
RE :”Liberals spend a lot of time hobnobbing with reprobates, criminals and perverts. They even seek out their company. It tells me all that I need to know about them.

And their votes too.

Here in Maryland the first thing Dem gov O Malley did was give convicted felons including traitors and child molesters the right to vote after they leave jail. Naturally after that he got re-elected after raising a number of taxes on us.

31 posted on 07/09/2012 6:00:56 AM PDT by sickoflibs (ABBBO chant: "We must support Romney because he doesn't matter." (Obam-ney Care is bad now ))
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To: dontreadthis; All
8 posted on Mon Jul 09 2012 07:38:43 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by dontreadthis: “under the radar got caught”

Yep...

Finding things like this is what the traditional media are supposed to be doing, and because they aren't doing their jobs, it becomes the job of “new media” like Free Republic.

The New York Times is running a series of articles on proposed revisions to the United States Constitution. Slate magazine is doing the same, here:

http://hive.slate.com/hive/how-can-we-fix-constitution

We in the conservative movement need to take these people at their word. I think they really are trying to advocate amendments to the Constitution, and while their most radical proposals likely will never get serious attention in the Congress or the state legislatures, we need to pay close attention to these discussions to see what the enemies of our historic Republic want to do.

One benefit of having this stuff out in the open is we can use it to force moderate Democrats and conservative Democrats to come clean on where they stand. All over the South, local and state-level Democrats have been able to distance themselves from their national party, but nonsense like this is pretty hard to defend to pro-gun constituencies. Those of us on Free Republic sometimes like to say there are no conservative Democrats left, but the fact is that lots of rural Southern Democrats at least **CLAIM** to be conservative, and at the very least we can use things like this to force them to ask hard questions. Ideally, we may be able to use pressure from within the Democratic Party to kill these ideas before they gain traction.

Given the choice, it's always better to stop a threat before it gets started than fight it once it's gotten ready for a fight.

32 posted on 07/09/2012 6:01:19 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: jdsteel
We got into this awful situation by dismissing the left at "loopy" and their ideas as BS. Back in the ninties when I had my conservative epiphany, I was shut down cold by everyone from friends to family to clergy to even a Republican Congressman, because the changes I was afraid of "couldn't happen in America."

BUT almost everything I was concerned about then has come to pass in two short decades. The people who ignored me are now either bitter and broken or have buried their heads in the sand for good.

So I agree, we need to educate. And resist to the utmost. But mostly resist to the utmost. The Left wants a "conversation"? Feh. The time for talking is long past. Hit them hard, and hit them until they shut up.

33 posted on 07/09/2012 6:01:59 AM PDT by jboot (Galt by default.)
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To: darrellmaurina

Some of her ancestors were slaves. She should remember that her ancestors became slaves, and stayed slaves, because they DIDN’T have guns.


34 posted on 07/09/2012 6:03:14 AM PDT by RatRipper (Obama, YOU LIE!!! . . .again and again and again and again, ad infinitum. . . .)
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To: Travis McGee

I see the winner was being educated in the government school system based on the spelling...


35 posted on 07/09/2012 6:07:38 AM PDT by Kozak (The means of defence against foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home JM)
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To: sickoflibs
Yep, Democarats love reprobates, perverts, criminals and (how could I forget?) illegal aliens. Maryland is a lost cause for now.

We'll get another chance in this state, but only after the Dems run out of Other Peoples Money and the Dignity Card herd grazes their field down to the roots. From the looks of things both may happen soon.

36 posted on 07/09/2012 6:08:17 AM PDT by jboot (Galt by default.)
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To: drpix

Blue helmet will make good targets.


37 posted on 07/09/2012 6:09:41 AM PDT by chainsaw ("Two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
If you remove black gun violence from the crime statistics, the US is right in the middle of Europe in terms of violence.

Elephant, meet the living room.

38 posted on 07/09/2012 6:10:48 AM PDT by jboot (Galt by default.)
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To: darrellmaurina

Liberals are clueless. They don’t understand that the 2nd Amendment was written to provide a way for citizens to protect themselves from the lawless, from invading armies, AND from an overreaching, tyrannical government. Do they really think that criminals care about gun laws? My Mom’s family is from L.A. (Lower Alabama), cotton and peanut farmers. Guns are so ingrained in the culture,and are everywhere, yet gun violence is miniscule. That was the first place I ever fired a rifle as a young boy. The difference is, these are God fearing, hard working, honest law-abiding people. Like the Bible says, murder begins in the heart. A million laws won’t change bad character.


39 posted on 07/09/2012 6:12:12 AM PDT by Freestate316
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To: Kozak

I see the winner was being educated in the government school system based on the spelling...

So were the judges, they missed the spelling errors too.


40 posted on 07/09/2012 6:14:22 AM PDT by chainsaw ("Two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.")
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To: darrellmaurina

She should try writing her article with “gun” being replaced by “government tit”.


41 posted on 07/09/2012 6:17:11 AM PDT by badgerlandjim (Helen Thomas - the older, smarter, prettier version of HRC.)
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To: jboot

How about you remove the inner city gun ban and see where that violence goes.


42 posted on 07/09/2012 6:17:35 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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To: darrellmaurina

“The Constitution would be the only weapon needed unless there was an external enemy.”

So...the sections of the Federalist where Hamilton explains how the right of the citizens to be armed is necessary to protect the population as a whole from a despot Presidency wielding a small, professional Federal army was all BS?

This clown is an ignorant, hyper-emotional liar.


43 posted on 07/09/2012 6:18:38 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Future generations will curse what we've done to them.)
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To: Freestate316
Liberals are clueless...They don’t understand that the 2nd Amendment was written to provide a way for citizens to protect themselves from the lawless...[and from]...overreaching, tyrannical government.

Really? I beg to differ. It is deeply dangerous to imagine that the enemy is ignorant. The Left understands precisely the right use of the 2A. The lawless are their constituency and the government is their savior. Our guns and our willingness to use them are all that stands between them and their Utopia.

44 posted on 07/09/2012 6:20:45 AM PDT by jboot (Galt by default.)
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To: darrellmaurina
In writing the Second Amendment, the Framers didn't envision the kind of gun toting that is permitted across this country todayThat's exactly what they envisioned in case tyrannical numbnuts like the writer came along
45 posted on 07/09/2012 6:23:00 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: DonkeyBonker

Dr. Melynda Price

The Good Doctor should expend some ink decrying the Gangsta culture indicative in her community which is the real root cause of "drive by's"

46 posted on 07/09/2012 6:23:46 AM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: darrellmaurina

Yep..pretty sure if we get rid of the 2nd Amendment, Evil will pack up and go home.


47 posted on 07/09/2012 6:25:26 AM PDT by moovova (Ladies & Gentlemen...Pandora has left the box.)
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To: Travis McGee; All
20 posted on Mon Jul 09 2012 07:45:47 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by Travis McGee: “Perhaps someone might send a polite email to her blog, appropriately named ‘Thoughts of an Ivory Tower Interloper.’”

We agree.

Do we have some experts in the history of the Second Amendment here on Free Republic who can help make a credible case on her blog for the traditional view of the Second Amendment? I'm certainly pro-Second-Amendment, but it's not my area of historical expertise.

I participate on the blogs of several academics who are politically left-of-center, some more actively than others. (These are generally Calvinist blogs of professors and doctoral students that would be of no interest to most Freepers, unless you care about the current fight in Reformed church circles about the Two Kingdoms movement arguing that Christians should not use the Bible in politics or sometimes discouraging political activity as being somehow inappropriate for Christians.) Sometimes people on left-of-center websites just like having a token conservative to give them debating practice in what would otherwise be a liberal echo chamber. On occasion, however, I've seen minds changed — not necessarily the blog owner but sometimes some of the participants.

Not all liberals are a lost cause in academia. As we know, some of the most effective conservative thinkers today are former liberals who realized what was wrong with what they'd been taught.

I'm well aware that some leftists don't care about the truth and are propagandists rather than educators. However, a rational and informed conservative who has facts on his side may be able to present arguments which liberals who have spent their whole life in liberal circles may never have seen before. At the absolute minimum, a well-thought-out debate on her blog could expose lots of people to a new way of thinking.

49 posted on 07/09/2012 6:30:19 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: darrellmaurina

Me thinks Melynda is not old enough to know whereof she writes.............


50 posted on 07/09/2012 6:30:38 AM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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