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Tim Tebow, Bryce Harper Drastically Different in How They Represent Faith in Sports World
New England Sports Network. ^ | 07.10.12

Posted on 07/11/2012 8:44:48 AM PDT by Coleus

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To: MHGinTN

The arrogance is familiar in Harper.

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That it is, I remember it well.


21 posted on 07/11/2012 10:08:50 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: MHGinTN

:)


22 posted on 07/11/2012 10:10:38 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Coleus

While he is open about his faith and lives according to his beliefs, he has also created a narrowness about what it means to be a Christian, especially among the younger generation.******

Tebow has created nothing about what it means to be a Christian. Christianity isn’t some sort of self-styled religion designed to glorify self. It’s about dying to self, picking up your cross and following Christ wherever that may lead.

Tebow simply glorifies his Savior through his daily existence and in so doing encourages others in the faith.


23 posted on 07/11/2012 10:11:45 AM PDT by bereanway
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To: RobbyS

Exactly. The LDS (Mormon) approach is to make ‘the Church’ look good and they use the same terms but have different meanings. They will also flat out LIE about their doctrines in order to sound more ‘Christian’ under the guise of ‘milk before meat’.

Last year I wrote an example here on FR of Mormon/Christian dialogue which shows how subtle (and knowing) LDS lying is.

When I was Mormon, I truly believed I was a Christian (and like all other LDS that we were the only TRUE Christians and traditional Christians were apostates). It was only after God freed me from Mormonism did I see I wasn’t really a Christian at all, I could not be one and be Mormon.

I am going to add Harper to my prayer list.


24 posted on 07/11/2012 10:18:59 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Coleus

Overall, a pretty good article.


25 posted on 07/11/2012 10:21:47 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: justice14

“Some evangelicals ... he has also created a narrowness about what it means to be a Christian, especially among the younger generation.”

Tebow hasn’t created a narrowness - God created the Rules and Tim is just trying to follow them as a true believer. Any Evangelical who doesn’t get that should question where he/she gets her marching orders from.

Consider the source of criticism towards Tebow — all I see are spoiled brats who hate it that Tebow isn’t a hypocrite. Football is a means to an end, and that end is for advancing the Gospel. Go, TIMMY!


26 posted on 07/11/2012 10:29:28 AM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: Sioux-san

I agree. I was a little confused on the initial use of “narrowness”. If I read correctly, I thought it was saying it as a negative and meaning the word “narrowness” as simplicity.

Being a Christian isn’t some fun little game where you wear a WWJD bracelet and everything is good. It’s deeper than that. I was meaning to convey that I feel Tebow does promote that it is something that is deep and not just slogans and show.

I agree with everything you said. God created the rules. It’s us that makes the “narrow” road wider and that is unbiblical and dangerous.


27 posted on 07/11/2012 10:39:41 AM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: reaganaut

Prayer “works.”

What bothers me about Romney’s faith is that there is so little common ground between his theology and Christian theology. Now, because the Mormon leaders periodically have “revelations,” It might be that they are moving closer to normative Christianity. Or it might not, that they are like Obama and are dissembling, which makes their actions unpredictable.


28 posted on 07/11/2012 10:47:15 AM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: RobbyS

It might be that they are moving closer to normative Christianity.

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I don’t think so. First of all there hasn’t been a official ‘revelation’ since 1978, second in order to move close to normative Christianity, they would need to renounce the entire foundation of their faith (apostasy and restoration, the Book of Mormon, and Joseph Smith) as well as all of their core theology. It would be a turnaround that would make the changes in the Worldwide Church of God (Armstrong) look like nothing.

I don’t see it happening.


29 posted on 07/11/2012 10:52:47 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Ransomed
I'm with you. I''ve watched nearly every Nats game since 2006 and haven't missed a game this season...thanks to MLB TV replays of the games I miss when I'm on the road. Harper gets a bum rap from ignoramouses who either hate him because he's Mormon (that river runs very deep here on FR...many of those bigots will post on this thread)or because he's so damned good. Hamels fell into the latter camp. There was no good reason in the world for him to hit Harper and he made an ass of himself following the game with that 'old school' crap. Harper, on the other hand, was the epitome of class with his response...stealing home!

People who don't know anything about what he's brought to the game this year fall back on mistakes he made when he was 15-16 years old...acting like a 15 or 16 year old kid. He shows all of them up!

30 posted on 07/11/2012 10:54:17 AM PDT by pgkdan (ANYBODY BUT OBAMA!)
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To: RobbyS

Prayer does work. Many years after I left Mormonism, I discovered that some friends had known the bookstore owner who challenged me in Provo and were praying for me and all the other LDS he would come in contact with. They didn’t even know me then, yet they were praying that I would be reached and I was.


31 posted on 07/11/2012 10:55:46 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Coleus
While he is open about his faith and lives according to his beliefs, he has also created a narrowness about what it means to be a Christian, especially among the younger generation.

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and borad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. (Matthew 7:13-15)

This pretty much sums up the difference between a Bible-believing Christian and anyone else the world prefers, such as this Mormon.

32 posted on 07/11/2012 11:03:10 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: Coleus

I wonder what this author thinks of all the MLB Latin players who when they get a hit or as a pitcher strike some one out, will point to the sky and take god.


33 posted on 07/11/2012 11:15:36 AM PDT by JimC214
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To: JimC214

Thank God......whoops.


34 posted on 07/11/2012 11:18:10 AM PDT by JimC214
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To: nonsporting

“borad” == “broad”


35 posted on 07/11/2012 11:18:10 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: justice14

This is where Christians blow it when they get into debates where they appear to be defending “their” views. Kirk Cameron is constantly under attack, and he says the right words that it’s not his rules, but God’s. Non-believers don’t understand the distinction, so they get very angry at him (and Tebow). This author using the word “narrow” illustrates it perfectly. Not sure if he means “simple” or if he is honing in on Tebow’s virtuousness/virginity that so many Libs think is just plain stupid and impossible. How wrong they are. Young people really don’t like being railroaded into corrupt behavior - they need to have more young role models to see the Gospel lived out.


36 posted on 07/11/2012 11:49:02 AM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: reaganaut

So the major changes were about social policy:polygamy and racism. With the break down in traditional marriage, do you think that might edge back toward Brigham Young’s views? It is my understanding that the other Mormon body never did accept it, out of loyalty to Smith’s wife.


37 posted on 07/11/2012 11:55:50 AM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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Young people really don’t like being railroaded into corrupt behavior - they need to have more young role models to see the Gospel lived out.

Ain't that the truth.

38 posted on 07/11/2012 12:04:23 PM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: RobbyS

So the major changes were about social policy:polygamy and racism. With the break down in traditional marriage, do you think that might edge back toward Brigham Young’s views? It is my understanding that the other Mormon body never did accept it, out of loyalty to Smith’s wife.

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Right, the RLDS (now Community of Christ) never practiced polygamy, that is the group that Emma Smith (Joseph’s legal wife) went with. On the other hand, the FLDS still practice polygamy and follow Brigham Young. In effect they are the true Mormons.

I do expect to see changes back to polygamy. The LDS have kept the revelation on polygamy, still practice it in some ways (men can be married for eternity to more than one woman in this life just not legally married to more than one at a time - women cannot), and teach that polygamy will be reinstated during the Millennium (when Christ rules from Missiouri).

I fully expect to see revelations on homosexuality being acceptable (they are already moving a little in that direction with allowing openly gay people to have mid level church jobs) in the next 10-15 years and if polygamy is legalized then they will have another ‘revelation’ very quickly bringing it back. I know many LDS who are working for that and praying for it as well.


39 posted on 07/11/2012 12:23:23 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut
I did not realize for many years why the people of Illinois were so exercised with the Mormons until I read of the truly bizarre practices of some of them. As flagrant in their dismissal of custom as some of the gays in San Francisco. I am put to mind the gnostics of early Christian times,and their extreme antinomianism. Yet in their public behavior, modern Mormons seems to be like people out of the ‘50s. Like Ezra Taft Benson, for instance. Will he pull lots of people from the Church into his administration, as Obama has done his true believers? When I was at Ramstein, the base commander was a Mormon and while he was there the number of Mormon officers noticeably increased. After he departed, the number went down again. Models of propriety, one and all.
40 posted on 07/11/2012 1:58:16 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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