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Two-Year-Old Bible Study for Homeless at McDonald's No Longer Welcomed
ChristianPost.com ^ | 7-15-12 | Alex Murashko

Posted on 07/16/2012 10:42:04 AM PDT by Houmatt

Christian ministry leader Dawn Martinez was told she could no longer hold the twice-a-week Bible studies she has taught for homeless people for the last two years inside a McDonald's in Camden, N.J. A night manager at the fast food restaurant told her last week that a customer had filed a complaint. Martinez wonders if it could have been because of the topic briefly discussed at one point last Monday – the Muslim faith.

The 33-year-old, who began the ministry to transients and drug addicts two years ago, describes the Bible study group's last meeting on Monday.

"It was a very powerful night. We had one woman join our prayer circle at the table and she was weeping and crying, but that was nothing unusual for our meetings," Martinez told The Christian Post. "I gave the Bible study. We talked about Isaac and Ishmael. I began to give the history on the descendants of Ishmael and the differences between the Christian and the Muslim faiths because the Muslim faith believes the descendants of Ishmael are the chosen people.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: bible; biblestudy; bums; camden; camdencounty; christians; hobos; homeless; mcdonalds
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Can anyone by chance find out exactly which McDonald's this happened at? I would love to post their phone number so people could call and let these anti-Christian clowns (that are not named Ronald) know how I feel.
1 posted on 07/16/2012 10:42:08 AM PDT by Houmatt
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To: Houmatt

McDonald’s is fully within their right to do this.

Harassing the employees won’t do anything. If you want to make a point, never buy those burgers again.


2 posted on 07/16/2012 10:45:42 AM PDT by kegger8r (ABO since 2008)
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To: Houmatt

When you call, make sure you tell them how you feel about property rights.


3 posted on 07/16/2012 10:48:28 AM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: kegger8r

And tell them why you aren’t buying their burgers.


4 posted on 07/16/2012 10:54:40 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: Houmatt
We're these homeless people actually buying anything from McDonalds? Or, we're they just taking up space and scaring off paying customers?
5 posted on 07/16/2012 10:57:16 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Greed + Envy = Liberalism)
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To: Uncle Slayton

maybe they complained about homeless people loitering?


6 posted on 07/16/2012 10:58:18 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Houmatt

It’s a place of business, and color me silly, but somehow I doubt that homeless people were the best customers. By Martinez’s own admission weeping and crying in prayer circles wasn’t unusual. Can you say disruptive? I knew that you could.


7 posted on 07/16/2012 11:02:34 AM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Houmatt

im reminded of the gas station tha allegedly refused to serve a military dude. it went viral before people looked around and found that it most likely never happenned. at least none of the people in the store came forward, the serviceman never was identified, etc.
we often jump to conclusions, kinda like duke lacrosse


8 posted on 07/16/2012 11:03:06 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: massgopguy

Exactly, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realize that large gatherings of homeless people probably aren’t the best thing for business.


9 posted on 07/16/2012 11:03:46 AM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Houmatt

McDonald’s has every right to do what they want when it’s their property and their customers.

I would suggest, they have a larger Christian based clientele than they have a Muslim based clientele though.

Is it just me, or does it seem like one Leftist voice seems to carry the weight of millions of Conservative voices.

We get dismissed. The Left voice is treated as if almost holy, certainly at least revered.

One complaint! That’s all it took. Simply amazing...

Imagine a complaint about an Islamic meeting at the McDonalds. Why we’d be the biggest racist bigots on planet earth if we dared raise the issue?

The Left expounds on equal rights. Good for them. On paper it sounds pretty good. It’s what they do with those rights, that makes ‘equal rights’ more equal for some, than others.

Christians, no soup for you... I call poliza...

And so it goes in the 2012 twilight.


10 posted on 07/16/2012 11:10:25 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: Houmatt
There are only two in Camden.

2720 Mount Ephraim Ave Camden (856) 962-8077

1 Haddon Avenue Camden (856) 963-9658 I suspect it was the Haddon Ave one. I have been there...and it is frequented by people I could imagine being offended with any talk against Islam. Draw your own conclusions.

11 posted on 07/16/2012 11:12:05 AM PDT by mick (Central Banker Capitalism is NOT Free Enterprise)
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To: kegger8r

There’s a Burger King right next door to our local Mickey Dees. From now on I want char-broiled.


12 posted on 07/16/2012 11:14:35 AM PDT by kjo (+)
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Color me silly, but 1) they had been meeting for two years without a single complaint. One complaint later, and they have to stop?

And 2) Have you ever heard of something called the First Amendment? You know, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom to peaceably assemble? Perhaps you can tell me where it says in the Constitution we forfeit those rights at the threshold of Mickey D's?

13 posted on 07/16/2012 11:24:32 AM PDT by Houmatt (NObama in 2012!)
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To: Houmatt

1. The manager might have been doing it under the radar only for as long as no one said anything.

2. McDonald’s is not public property. You follow their rules or leave.


14 posted on 07/16/2012 11:29:36 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: Houmatt
McDonald's is the wrong place to have these meetings UNLESS there is a private room as many of these places have. I would have no problem with that. I want to eat my meal in relative quiet and don't want to hear this stuff or any stuff for that matter.

I was at Panera Bread one day and the booth behind me had one guy giving a business sales speech to 2 other men and he was quite loud. I get out of the office for a nice, quiet lunch not to hear other people jibb jabb.

15 posted on 07/16/2012 11:29:40 AM PDT by trailhkr1 (That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence - Christopher Hitchen)
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To: Houmatt
Have you ever heard of something called the First Amendment? You know, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom to peaceably assemble?

Have you ever heard of private property?

16 posted on 07/16/2012 11:32:08 AM PDT by trailhkr1 (That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence - Christopher Hitchen)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Once while lunching at McD’s, I saw a woman walk in with 5 or 6 kids and an ice chest, she fed her kids from the ice chest and then sat and read a book while the kids ran around on the indoor play area. No one bought a thing. There was even a sign on the play area that stated for paying customers only.


17 posted on 07/16/2012 11:36:11 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: Houmatt
Have you ever heard of something called the First Amendment? You know, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom to peaceably assemble? Perhaps you can tell me where it says in the Constitution we forfeit those rights at the threshold of Mickey D's?

Wow! You are in serious need of some constitutional understanding, because you obviously have absolutely none. The 1st Amendment grants you the freedom to assemble and speak. It does NOT, I repeat NOT, guarantee you a place to assemble or a venue to speak. It does NOT force private property owners to accept speech that they do not approve on the very property that they own, or to accept assemblies that they have no acquiesced to hosting. If you want to exercise 1st Amendment rights do so from your own property or the public park, but don't think for a moment that the 1st Amendment forces anyone to accept your presence on their property.

18 posted on 07/16/2012 11:40:25 AM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: sportutegrl

Excuse me...

But that must be one talented 2 year old to conduct a bible study for the homeless...

This kid’s got a bright future, I’d say.

What?

The bible study is two years old? Oh....

Nevermind.


19 posted on 07/16/2012 11:43:31 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

On a related note, apparently “Your Baby Can Read” is going out of business.


20 posted on 07/16/2012 11:49:41 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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