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Nestle blames biofuels for high food prices
BBC ^ | July 18, 2012 | James Melik

Posted on 07/18/2012 2:03:37 PM PDT by CutePuppy

The head of the world's largest food producer believes high prices are due to the growing of crops for biofuels.

"The time of cheap food prices is over," says Nestle chairman Peter Brabeck-Letmathe.

He is highly critical of the rise in the production of bio-diesel, saying this puts pressure on food supplies by using land and water that would otherwise be used to grow crops for human or animal consumption.

"If no food was used for fuel, the prices would come down again - that is very clear," he says.

"We are now in a new world with a completely different level of food prices because of the direct link with fuel," he says.

He says biofuels are only affordable because of the high subsidies they receive, particularly in the US.

"It is absolutely unacceptable and cannot be justified," he says.

"There is one demand that I have, and that is not to use food for fuel."

Water crisis

Mr Brabeck-Letmathe says politicians have not understood that the food market and the oil market are the same - they are both calorific markets.

"The only difference is that with the food market you need 2,500 calories per person per day, whereas in the energy market you need 50,000 calories per person," he says.

When politicians said they wanted to replace 20% of fossil fuels with biofuels, it meant increasing the production of crops threefold, according to Mr Brabeck-Letmathe.

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Agriculture uses 70% of world's water consumption and the public must be made aware of the inefficient usage of this precious resource, Mr Brabeck-Letmathe adds.

"It takes about 4,600 litres of water to produce one litre of pure ethane oil if it comes from sugar, and it takes 1,900 litres of water if it comes from palm oil," he says.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: africa; biofuels; energy; environmentalism; food; foodprices; footprint; horizontalspace; inefficient; naturalresources; nestle; palmoil; prices; resources; sugar; sustainability; unsustainable; water
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To: CutePuppy
Quit Burning
My Food!

21 posted on 07/18/2012 3:39:07 PM PDT by upchuck ("Definition of 'racist:' someone that is winning an argument with a liberal." ~ Peter Brimelow)
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To: CutePuppy

Love the proverb: “Live as if you will die tomorrow, plant as if you will live forever.”


22 posted on 07/18/2012 3:40:01 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: calico_thompson
Many foreign companies removed their listings from the US exchanges after Sarbanes-Oxley (and many US companies went private either through delisting or mergers with foreign companies or buyout by private equities market). Nestlé's ADR, as that of many foreign companies that want US 'presence' but without onerous Sarbox requirements, is listed on the pink sheets under symbol NSRGY/NSRGY.PK

It's a tremendous Swiss-based conglomerate - the largest food company in the world and one of the most admired, with more than 230,000 employees in nearly 500 locations worldwide, high quality diversified food and pharmacological products and great IT technology behind it that took them several years to fully implement.

"Six worldwide corporate brands, Nestlé, Nescafe, Nestea, Maggi, Buitoni and Friskies contributed about 70% of the company's total sales, with the Nestlé brand itself contributing 40%. In addition to these brands, the Company has a broad portfolio of brands including Libby's fruit juices, Perrier water, San Pellegrino water, Arrowhead water, Osarka water, Alpo pet food, Ortega Mexican foods, PowerBar energy bars, Stouffer's prepared foods, Lean Cuisine prepared foods, DiGiorno pizza, Carnation beverages, Ovaltine beverages, Dreyer's ice cream, Haagen-Dazs ice cream, Gerber baby food, Butterfinger and Baby Ruth candies, Kit Kat chocolate bars..."

23 posted on 07/18/2012 3:40:51 PM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: upchuck

Not to worry.

Ethanol plants here in Indiana seem to be closing about as fast as K-marts did in the 90s.


24 posted on 07/18/2012 3:44:48 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: gorush
Love the proverb: "Live as if you will die tomorrow, plant as if you will live forever."

Does catch one's eye, doesn't it? Interestingly, it's supposedly one of the pseudo-environmentalists' goals - "sustainability" - yet the actual results of their policies are exactly opposite to their stated goals.

25 posted on 07/18/2012 3:51:22 PM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: nascarnation

I have seen American, British and Japanese fuel lines disintegrate under E10 (and in California, the methanol used before it). Until *very* recently, most fuel line was not rated for or particularly tolerant of ethanol.

Also, it’s not just “shitty Chinese engines” as both Bombardier and Mercury Marine have outright said for many of their models that any amount of alcohol can harm them.


26 posted on 07/18/2012 3:51:34 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

Where are they sourcing their polymer parts from?

Chinese stuff is everywhere.

Some of the worst offenders are Weedeater - US engine, carbs from China.


27 posted on 07/18/2012 3:56:31 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Carbonsteel
Let's see... Higher energy prices. Higher food prices. Higher unemployment. Higher health care costs. Higher taxes. Higher debt and deficits.

I think I'm seeing a pattern here.

Nice pattern recognition. Good eye!

28 posted on 07/18/2012 3:58:16 PM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: nascarnation

Other references, including photo proof:

http://www.floridasportsman.com/2012/07/02/ethanol-and-old-outboard-boat-engines/

http://www.fidosysop.org/1204/06/e-15-ethanol-gas-blend-coming-and-could-harm-your-engine/

http://www.rifleandrod.com/2012/07/ethanol-fuel-can-ruin-boat-motors/
Associated picture: http://www.rifleandrod.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/DSC0021.jpg

http://www.pensacolafishingforum.com/f67/my-ethanol-issues-118496/

Also, I have had to retire my former daily driver classic Honda motorcycle and buy something 20 years newer due to e10 gasoline constantly screwing up the carburetors by causing varnish and crap build up (among other problems) in them necessitating constant rebuilds. It has literally cost me thousands of dollars; this stuff is CRAP and the sooner it goes away the better.


29 posted on 07/18/2012 4:02:35 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: nascarnation

I am seeing Gates and Dayco fuel lines lasting months before they begin to crack and check whether running gasoline or diesel.

I am also now seeing vapor lock in summer temperatures on carbed vehicles that I have owned and driven since the late ‘80’s pretty much unchanged.

We just got back from a trip to high altitudes in Colorado and we vapor locked frame mounted electric EFI pump repeatedly that is away from heat sources and below tank level.

And now the idiots at the EPA want to go from 10% ethanol to 15%.


30 posted on 07/18/2012 4:04:30 PM PDT by Clay Moore (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of a fool to the left. Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: nascarnation

Did you miss the part about “American, British and Japanese”?

My own personal experience has been with parts I know for a fact came from Japan or the US. And E10 destroys them too.


31 posted on 07/18/2012 4:04:30 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: CutePuppy

No mention of the drought that is hitting 26 states.


32 posted on 07/18/2012 4:05:36 PM PDT by rem_mitchell
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To: Clay Moore

And those hoses are made in the US, not China, despite what I’m sure nascarnation will now claim.

The only ‘rubber’ hose I’ve seen hold up to ethanol without degrading significantly is that Goodyear lined (it used to have a blue inner layer, very obvious) stuff that AutoZone carried for a couple years: http://www.goodyearep.com/ProductsDetail.aspx?id=5144 I still have a stash of that for my vehicles, but that only takes care of connecting the fuel system components, not the components themselves.


33 posted on 07/18/2012 4:09:11 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

100 LL AVGAS my friend. Take a 5 gallon jug to the little local airport and get it for your airboat.


34 posted on 07/18/2012 4:09:56 PM PDT by Clay Moore (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of a fool to the left. Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: Clay Moore

Love to, but neither of my motorcycles will run for crap on 100LL. Like many engines, they will start having harmful deposits form in the combustion chamber (and elsewhere) if you run more than 87 octane in them as they are optimized for that grade of fuel. Can’t use it in either of my gasoline powered cars due to their catalytic converters and my truck is (fortunately) diesel.


35 posted on 07/18/2012 4:15:09 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Leep
Isn't another problem involve storing wind and solar power?

Yes! High percentage losses in both energy storage and distribution.

Which makes wind completely unsuitable form of energy generation ((along with many other problems related to generation of energy itself, and "unsustainable," to boot, due to the unreliability and unpredictability of the wind stream itself).

Solar can be useful and less expensive, but not as a large "farm" or steam generator (storage and distribution issues) but as niche local energy generator, with panels nearby or attached to buildings where the power is needed.

36 posted on 07/18/2012 4:16:10 PM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: nascarnation

It ruins small engines, mowers, boats etc. It gets crappy mileage. We can only use ethanol on base. I’ve monitored the mileage and its about 5 MPG less with sugar gas.


37 posted on 07/18/2012 4:24:24 PM PDT by USAF80
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To: Spktyr
Did you miss the part about “American, British and Japanese”?.

Just because an assembly is made in America, Britain, or Japan doesn't mean it doesn't have Chinese polymers in it. Either the raw material or the finished part.

That's how the industry works these days.

38 posted on 07/18/2012 4:28:10 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Clay Moore

I don’t understand your comment about diesel fuel lines.

Biodiesel doesn’t contain ethanol, it has soybean oil.


39 posted on 07/18/2012 4:30:23 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: nascarnation

Blaming China won’t work here - I know for a fact that some of these things that E-10 has eaten have been all-USA sourced.

And that doesn’t even begin to explain how US and Japanese aluminum and steel (which could not have come from China due to their age) get etched by this shit.


40 posted on 07/18/2012 4:37:31 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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