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At least 13 killed as truck loaded with 23 passengers slams into trees in Texas
MSNBC ^ | 7-23-12 | NBC News

Posted on 07/23/2012 3:00:06 PM PDT by Sporke

Updated at 7:40 a.m. ET: At least 13 people died Sunday and another 10 were injured after a pickup truck loaded with passengers veered off the highway and crashed into trees in rural South Texas, authorities said. State troopers and Goliad County sheriff's investigators were investigating the crash. A trooper told KRIS-TV, the NBC affiliate in Corpus Christi, Tex., that it appeared a tire on the truck blew out before the vehicle went off the road and struck two trees. Authorities said they did not immediately know the names and ages of the victims. Advertise | AdChoices A spokeswoman with the Texas Department of Public Safety told NBC News early Monday that the number of those killed in the crash had risen to 13 after two more victims succumbed to their injuries in local hospitals. Vehicle laden with passengers Gerald Bryant, also of the Texas Department of Public Safety, told The Associated Press the dead and wounded were various ages and that he personally saw two young children among the dead at the scene. "This is the most people I've seen in any passenger vehicle, and I've been an officer for 38 years," Bryant said, referring to the chaotic scene. The white 2000 Ford F-250 pickup was heading north on U.S. 59 around 7 p.m. (9 p.m. ET) Sunday when it traveled off the right side of the highway near the community of Berclair in Goliad County, Bryant said. Follow @msnbc_us The 23 people were loaded inside both the truck's cab and bed. Six of those who died were still inside the truck when emergency crews arrived to find the mangled vehicle, Bryant said.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; deathtoll; illegals
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To: GrouchoTex
We have made it impossible for the average (poor) immigrant to come here

You're an illegal alien sympathizer.

Seems to be a lot of those in Texas.

61 posted on 07/23/2012 6:21:46 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: potlatch

One interesting tidbit about Goliad county. When they catch illegals and put them in jail, they don’t put them in cells. They put them in an enclosed outside rec area, and they stay there until ICE picks them up.

If it takes 3 days for ICE to pick them up, they stay outside for 3 days.


62 posted on 07/23/2012 6:37:07 PM PDT by Sporke (USS Iowa BB-61)
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To: GrouchoTex

A national immigration policy is supposed to be about one thing and one thing only, looking out for the welfare of the nation’s citizens.

To include; health, safety, employment and national security.

There’s a reason why the immigration is so “impossible”. It’s supposed to limit the numbers we take in. This isn’t the late 19th or early 20th century when we were in the midst of the industrial revolution and needed workers.

We are overrun and being overrun with even more. The USA has reached or gone beyond the tipping point of financial solvency. We cannot afford to take in anymore “poor” immigrants solely based on goodwill.

Reason and logic should always trump emotion and feelings.


63 posted on 07/23/2012 6:37:16 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: dragnet2

And this coming from a Califonian?

LOL

Let me be clear, as some how the smog did not clear out fast enough for you to understand my position.

Those here illegally now should be held accountable.

Those wishing to come here in the future from Mexico, from Mongolia, rom Upper Volta, from Sweden, should not have to fork over major bucks and wait a decade to do so.Technology is such that it is stupid to have this continue. The Feds can not continue to play this as a class game when our money goes to them to do such upgrades.The computer system where you work could probably process people wanting to enter the country faster than the Feds can.

I suspect your immigrant anscestors did not have to wait as long to become citizens. Mine from 1800’s Ireland did not have to.

No, again, I am not an illegal alien sympathizer.
I’m well aware of the atrocities visited upon us from illegals that would do us harm.
I have seen it first hand. This is why I want a saner, faster way to identify those that would come into our country.

Never mind, let’s leave it as is, as you wish. Just complain, yeah, that’ll work.


64 posted on 07/23/2012 6:42:38 PM PDT by GrouchoTex (...and ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free....)
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To: SZonian

You are correct. Caps can and should be made based on available jobs and positions, hireability, etc.. Can’t disagree.

Good point.

(BTW, Is hireability a good word?)


65 posted on 07/23/2012 6:47:49 PM PDT by GrouchoTex (...and ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free....)
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To: SZonian

You are correct. Caps can and should be made based on available jobs and positions, hireability, etc.. Can’t disagree.

Good point.

(BTW, Is hireability a good word?)


66 posted on 07/23/2012 6:49:32 PM PDT by GrouchoTex (...and ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free....)
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To: GrouchoTex
I am not an illegal alien sympathizer.

Sure you are, anyone can read back. The Internet makes a great witness.

67 posted on 07/23/2012 6:50:40 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Sporke

I didn’t know that! I love Goliad, go there often for Market days but don’t know where the jail is! Most of the illegals pass through Refugio on their way north. Some were caught in my town this past week but they had to hunt them down as they scatter and run into the bush.


68 posted on 07/23/2012 6:54:43 PM PDT by potlatch (~~And the truth IS what counts, RIGHT ? ~~)
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To: dragnet2

I’ve read my previous post and it does not make me an illegal alien sympathizer, not matter how often you say so.


69 posted on 07/23/2012 7:00:47 PM PDT by GrouchoTex (...and ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free....)
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To: dragnet2

I believe many are housed in Raymondville, waiting to be transported. Don’t know how they manage to get past the checkpoint about 30 miles north on highway 77 though. They have found houses packed with illegals in Raymondville from time to time.


70 posted on 07/23/2012 7:07:00 PM PDT by potlatch (~~And the truth IS what counts, RIGHT ? ~~)
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To: GrouchoTex

You had to go back and read your own posts to figure out if your an illegal alien sympathizer?

(Wow)


71 posted on 07/23/2012 7:09:10 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

LOL

Please!

So, how’s life as a political advisor?

Carville would be proud,

1st, you tell me to look at my previous post, then ACCUSE ME of doing so!

Brilliant, I must say.

You have a future in democratic politics.


72 posted on 07/23/2012 7:22:47 PM PDT by GrouchoTex (...and ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free....)
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To: dragnet2

What? You just like to argue? I live in the Southwest US, and have for most of my life. I KNOW what is going on, while you seem to have no clue.

Are you one of “Those” who provide maps and water mules for the “poor and destitute” who are only trying to “better their lives?”

Give me a break. I saw first-hand how easy it is for Arabs (by any other name) to blend in and come across the southern borders. Don’t get me started.


73 posted on 07/23/2012 7:45:55 PM PDT by Monkey Face (I have kleptomania, but when it gets bad, I take something for it.)
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To: Monkey Face
I wonder how many forked over good money to have “reliable” transportation to bring them to houston, or whereever their destinantion was.

Pay good money and not get reliable transposition?

Boy, those illegals ripping us off, really got ripped off eh Mr. Monkey?

74 posted on 07/23/2012 7:54:28 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Monkey Face; GrouchoTex
They ALL forked over “good money” to come to America. They were lied to and robbed. And God help the nasty people who make money from the Innocents!

Yeah, those innocents who break our laws, disrespect rules, and routinely defecate on our borders and sovereignty!

How dare those illegals who take the illegals money!

75 posted on 07/23/2012 7:59:37 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: GrouchoTex
Like those that died in a locked trailer near Victoria and those that died in a railcar in West Texas. No fan of illegal immigration

Did it occur to you when ya break the law, and trust and aid and abet other criminals in the process, you can get hurt and or killed?

76 posted on 07/23/2012 8:05:16 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Monkey Face
I have heard/read of so many illegals, dying to get to freedom....but I also know of many who come here to make mischief, and because of their criminal backgrounds, they survive. Any way you look at it, it is a disgrace. For all countries involved.

Can you explain to how it is disgraceful for America when millions of these illegals are breaking our laws and rules as a matter of routine?

77 posted on 07/23/2012 8:11:27 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Monkey Face

I get your point. As I have said, I have seen it 1st hand as well.

We can agree on this point I am sure.

Secure, lock down the border at once.

Now, here is where we differ(I think):

I want a “version” of “Ellis Island” implemented.

Photos, fingerprints, retnea scans, DNA whatever....

A bit over the top, maybe Orwellian, but.....

Come in and you want to raises your family? Okay, here’s your social security card. File your taxes, etc, like we do.

Break a law, don’t pay taxes, goodbye, etc.

They did this without technology in our past.

Are you suggesting the technology doesn’t exist so to do this now? I would agree that the willpower does not.

I have not provided any “maps” or “water mules” and have been diligent in not hiring illegals. I would never do so.I am quite aware that there are combatants from other countries sneaking over the border.

I too, have lived in Texas (and California as a child).

I have seen criminals rampage through both states ,that do not belong here, but why? The inability of the Federal Government to fulfill their obligation.

I offer an, albeit, a simplistic solution to the issue, but you would agree, no solution until now has worked?

We can’t just shoot everybody (I’d probably be dead by now!).

I know I’ve teased you a bit about the smog and whatnot, but you have told me what you would not do, so I now ask, what would you suggest?


78 posted on 07/23/2012 8:12:10 PM PDT by GrouchoTex (...and ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free....)
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To: GrouchoTex
Don’t want to see amnesty, ever, but an Ellis Island approach may work for the people trying to better their families.

Ellis Island? Those people came in legally.

Ellis Island era occurred when the country was developing and needed people. There was lots of opportunity and jobs. Today millions of Americans are out of work or underemployed.

Bad people show up and destroy while good people can die in the desert.

You're referring to people entering this country illegally, breaking our laws, rule and creating chaos and economic havoc, as good people?

79 posted on 07/23/2012 8:19:34 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: GrouchoTex

Listen, based on your own comments, there is no question whatsoever you’re an illegal sympathizer.

There is no need to carry this further.


80 posted on 07/23/2012 8:27:08 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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