Posted on 07/23/2012 7:22:47 PM PDT by markomalley
Why would civilians be allowed to work on a nuclear sub? That should be reserved for service members.
This is another example of how you really can’t tell who the crazies are.
They mostly look just like normal people until they do something like this.
Oh, some people you can tell, but they are usually at an extreme (a guy at Vons the other day was singing and rocking back and forth, until someone he was with came back for him. It was a happy song!).
Since technically we are at war in Afghanistan, sabotage during wartime should warrant a one-way trip to the firing squad.
The boat was in the drydock at a Naval Shipyard. The guy was a shipyard worker. I saw a lot of “medicated” yardbirds at PSNSY in the ‘80’s.
How does a civilian contractor employee on meds for Anxiety and Depression get a security clearance to work on nuclear submarine construction?
“Why would civilians be allowed to work on a nuclear sub?”
Depends on what his job was. Sometimes the military contracts with civvies who have certain skills. I have worked on several bases side by side with soldiers.
Sometimes it’s just the opposite- janitorial work or basic maintenance can be contracted out.
I worked at a place at Aberdeen Proving Ground, they had me there for “awesome skillz”, and there were two contract janitors, some lieutenants, sergeants, a captain, sometimes a light colonel. Security was 19 yo kids with M16’s and A4’s with M203’s mounted underneath. I called everybody “sir”, it was easier.
>>Why would civilians be allowed to work on a nuclear sub? That should be reserved for service members.
As a former submariner, no thanks! Sub crews are trained to operate the boat and do light maintenance. We did not want to do the heavy work that requires a shipyard and the army of yard workers. We take pride in our “elite of the fleet” label!
Occaisionally, this is a problem. We had an improperly-installed seawater fitting blow off at test depth once, but the emergency blow system worked perfectly. So, all ended well (obviously).
So, do you think our Military Vets coming back and suffering from PTSD, Anxiety and Depression are all crazy, too? Should we pack them all up and throw them into institutions if they need meds?
You’d better watch what you say because narcissism is a “mental illness”/personality disorder and your attitude of being holier than thou is a red flag in that area. Are you sure YOU aren’t the one with serious problems?
God forbid you ever suffer a tragedy in your life such as the kinds which break a person down to the point that need to seek help. It’ll be very hard for you to get over it because you’ll be so afraid of other people like you out there judging you all the time, and thinking you’re crazy.
Before you say that’ll never happen to you... please don’t say it. Everyone I’ve known that has made an idiotic comment like that eventually ends up learning the hard way, and I truly wouldn’t wish these mental illnesses on even my worst enemy.
My guess is the Navy would like it to function well enough to at least make it to deep water. Without civilians it won't clear the pier.
Oh, and BTW, your attitude on “retards” and other “detritus on two feet” is the SAME sickening attitude that helped Hitler get rid of all those “retards”, and old people, and supposedly “nutters”, too. It’s the same argument liberals use for sanctioning abortion, too (y’know all those babies with Down Syndrome that don’t deserve to live because they’re “retards”).
Seems like the submarine should be designed to make it impossible for a fire to cause $400 million damage, even it it was in dry dock.
You can be easily on meds for anxiety and depression and have a Secret clearance (will likely prevent a quick “temporary” clearance but once a statement is received from a doctor/therapist, the final clearance isn’t a problem.) And it certainly doesn’t automatically exclude one from having a TS clearance.
Keep in mind there are 3 million people with security clearances in the US; you couldn’t possibly exclude everyone that a casual observer would think would be excluded from getting a clearance, or there wouldn’t be anyone left to have them.
And this guy was basically at or close to the lowest of the low level in terms of limited-skill shipyard labor (sandblaster/painter.) We couldn’t possibly afford to have a military if everyone who ever set foot on a naval vessel had to have a full background investigation with interview and polygraph.
Next thing you know they’re going to be letting political supporters pilot nuclear subs into Japanese boats to kill young people. (HINT: Google “USS Greenville”)
Or set off a nuke somewhere...
Safeguards can be “negated” after all...
Sure is a “different world” than during the late ‘60’s when we had the most POWERFUL military the PLANET has ever SEEN!!
$400 million for damage to a sub? For $400M it must be the super secret gold plated, boom boom boomer with all bells and whisltes destroyed. That highly classified program is so secret we can't even tell you about it, except when we send the bill. Lol, i think the navy is engaging in some insurance fraud...
Naw, they wouldn't do that would they?
We still have the most powerful military the planet has ever seen, and the gap between us and the rest of the world in terms of military power is larger than for any other country in the history of Earth, including the Romans, etc.
my wife had to deal with those union humps in that yard a few years ago and this doesn’t surprise her one bit.
Why they allow unions in these places anymore is something that needs to be addressed.
If we can just keep it. But..if O has his way......
This guy singlehandedly tool the USS Miami out of commission.
It is now just a parts sub.
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