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Cyber bill has gun control amendment [Video at link]
The Hill ^ | July 26, 2012 | Ramsey Cox

Posted on 07/26/2012 5:46:43 PM PDT by jazusamo

Democratic senators included an amendment in the cybersecurity bill that would limit the purchase of high capacity gun magazines for some consumers.

Shortly after the Cybersecurity Act gained Senate approval to proceed to amendments and a vote next week, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), a sponsor of the gun control amendment, came to the floor to defend the idea of implementing some “reasonable” gun control measures.

The amendment was sponsored by Democratic Sens. Frank Lautenberg (N.J.), Barbara Boxer (Calif.), Jack Reed (R.I.), Bob Menendez (N.J.), Kirsten Gillibrand (N.Y.), Schumer and Dianne Feinstein (Calif.). S.A. 2575 would make it illegal to transfer or possess large capacity feeding devices such as gun magazines, belts, feed stripes and drums of more than 10 rounds of ammunition with the exception of .22 caliber rim fire ammunition.

The amendment would only affect sales and transfers after the law took effect.

Schumer defended the Brady law and assault weapons ban on the floor Thursday evening, perhaps in preparation for the coming fight for Republicans and gun rights activists.

Schumer suggested that both the left and right find common ground.

“Maybe we could come together on guns if each side gave some,” Schumer said.

He suggested that Democrats make it clear that their goal is not to repeal the Second Amendment.

“The basic complaint is that the Chuck Schumers of the world want to take away your guns,” Schumer said of the argument made by gun lobbies. “I think it would be smart for those of us who want rational gun control to make it know that that’s not true at all.”

Schumer also pointed out that it would be reasonable for the right to recognize that background checks on those buying guns is necessary — as called for in the Brady law. He also said average Americans don’t need an assault weapon to go hunting or protect themselves.

“We can debate where to draw the line of reasonableness, but we might be able to come to an agreement in the middle,” Schumer said. “Maybe, maybe, maybe we can pass some laws that might, might, might stop some of the unnecessary casualties … maybe there’s a way we can some together and try to break through the log jam and make sure the country is a better place.”

Next week the Senate is expected to debate and vote on amendments to the Cybersecurity bill.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2012; 2ndamendment; banglist; democrats; govtabuse; guncontrol; liberalfascism; schumer; tyranny; youwillnotdisarmus
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To: Bobalu
Bobalu posted a link about someone: "... printing a new lower receiver for his AR-15."

Now that's pretty slick. It's akin to being able to use secure cryptography over the Internet. Once the technology exists, it never ceases to exist and the technology has the potential to frustrate government meddlers.

41 posted on 07/26/2012 9:02:57 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: jazusamo
People need to read and understand the implications of SA 2574 as well.

16 U.S.C. § 824a : US Code - Section 824A: Interconnection and coordination of facilities; emergencies; transmission to foreign countries

(c) Temporary connection and exchange of facilities during emergency
During the continuance of any war in which the United States is engaged, or whenever the Commission determines that an emergency exists by reason of a sudden increase in the demand for electric energy, or a shortage of electric energy or of facilities for the generation or transmission of electric energy, or of fuel or water for generating facilities, or other causes, the Commission shall have authority, either upon its own motion or upon complaint, with or without notice, hearing, or report, to require by order such temporary connections of facilities and such generation, delivery, interchange, or transmission of electric energy as in its judgment will best meet the emergency and serve the public interest.

Well that gets changed under SA 2574 as well.

Page 5402, 1/2 way down...

(a) IN GENERAL.—Section 202(c) of the Federal Power Act (16 U.S.C. 824a(c)) is amended— (1) by striking ‘‘(c) During’’ and inserting the following: ‘‘(c) TEMPORARY CONNECTION AND EXCHANGE OF FACILITIES DURING EMERGENCY.— ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—During’’; and (2) by adding at the end the following:

‘‘(2) COMPLIANCE WITH OR VIOLATION OF ENVIRONMENTAL LAWS WHILE UNDER EMERGENCY ORDER.—
‘‘(A) IN GENERAL.—If an order issued under this subsection may result in a conflict with a requirement of any Federal, State, or local environmental law or regulation, the Commission shall ensure that the order—
‘‘(i) requires generation, delivery, interchange, or transmission of electric energy only during hours necessary to meet the emergency and serve the public interest; and
‘‘(ii) to the maximum extent practicable, is consistent with any applicable Federal, State, or local environmental law or regulation and minimizes any adverse environmental impacts.

People better think about these words too...WHILE UNDER EMERGENCY ORDER.

Title 10 › Chapter II › Subchapter A › Part 205 › Subpart W › Section 205.371

10 CFR 205.371
Definition of emergency.
“Emergency,” as used herein, is defined as an unexpected inadequate supply of electric energy which may result from the unexpected outage or breakdown of facilities for the generation, transmission or distribution of electric power. Such events may be the result of weather conditions, acts of God, or unforeseen occurrences not reasonably within the power of the affected “entity” to prevent. An emergency also can result from a sudden increase in customer demand, an inability to obtain adequate amounts of the necessary fuels to generate electricity, or a regulatory action (think EPA) which prohibits the use of certain electric power supply facilities. Actions under this authority are envisioned as meeting a specific inadequate power supply situation. Extended periods of insufficient power supply as a result of inadequate planning or the failure to construct necessary facilities can result in an emergency as contemplated in these regulations. In such cases, the impacted “entity” will be expected to make firm arrangements to resolve the problem until new facilities become available, so that a continuing emergency order is not needed. Situations where a shortage of electric energy is projected due solely to the failure of parties to agree to terms, conditions or other economic factors relating to service, generally will not be considered as emergencies unless the inability to supply electric service is imminent. Where an electricity outage or service inadequacy qualifies for a section 202(c) order, contractual difficulties alone will not be sufficient to preclude the issuance of an emergency order.

Snakes!

42 posted on 07/26/2012 9:26:31 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: jazusamo

Take a flyin’ f**k, Chuck.


43 posted on 07/26/2012 9:36:45 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Still Thinking

Exactly.


44 posted on 07/26/2012 9:38:00 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: jazusamo

One of the first priorities of the new Congress should be to prohibit these unrelated amendments and make it so every bill must stand alone.


45 posted on 07/26/2012 9:42:03 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: jazusamo

46 posted on 07/26/2012 9:50:41 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: jazusamo

So the Democrat idea of “common ground” is not to repeal a Constitutional amendment, just pretend it doesn’t exist.

What a compromise!


47 posted on 07/26/2012 10:42:35 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: philman_36

Page 16-17 – explains why this bill has to exist
Mass casualty event
Mass evacuations

CSA 2012 EXPLANATION - WILL BE VOTED ON VERY SOON

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IR7L9uAsR9Q&feature=plcp

Page 119 (education and workforce)
Teach Kindergartener – 9th grade
Recruit Hackers
Page 126 – Internship
Scholarship – sign self to gov

Note: Cybersecurity bill: Recruit federal employees using 9th grade talent competition

http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/24/cybersecurity-bill-recruit-federal-employees-using-9th-grade-talent-competition/

11 min in the video
Page 161 - mentions TREATIES
Page 167 -169 – UNITED NATIONS


48 posted on 07/26/2012 10:48:14 PM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: Travis McGee

Considering....whose troops is he rooting for? Ours don’t normally carry AKs, and I’d rather our enemies went without.


49 posted on 07/26/2012 10:57:24 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: jazusamo; philman_36
 
 
Speaks volumes for their lack of standing - they don't have the guts to roll out a stand-alone gun bill and debate it in the open, oh no, they have to sneak things onto other bills. Eternal vigilance against oppressors indeed.
 
 

50 posted on 07/27/2012 12:01:04 AM PDT by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: philman_36

Wonder if Feinstein still has her CCW.


51 posted on 07/27/2012 1:11:44 AM PDT by Mr. Peabody
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To: Bobalu

Was just looking at that on gizmag site....... amazing.

http://www.gizmag.com/first-3d-printed-firearm/23473/


52 posted on 07/27/2012 4:09:35 AM PDT by Squantos
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To: jazusamo

“Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), a sponsor of the gun control amendment, came to the floor to defend the idea of implementing some “reasonable” gun control measures.

The amendment was sponsored by Democratic Sens. Frank Lautenberg (N.J.), Barbara Boxer (Calif.), Jack Reed (R.I.), Bob Menendez (N.J.), Kirsten Gillibrand (N.Y.), Schumer and Dianne Feinstein (Calif.).”

Every one of these so-called Senators should be expelled from the Senate, and then tried for treason.


53 posted on 07/27/2012 5:43:46 AM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: Dead Corpse

America’s next Lexington & Concord moment is just around the corner.


54 posted on 07/27/2012 6:00:58 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: jazusamo

Why do Liberals never want to discuss common sense press control? I mean, the First Amendment clearly applies only to the manual printing press, right? Today’s instant electronic communications like Facebook and AttackWatch and DailyPsyKosis were never meant to operate without government control. Who can argue otherwise except for those people who want to continue the national orgy of press-related personal assassinations, career destruction, persecution of opponents’ families and children, making fun of conservatives’ illnesses, urging fellow Liberals to commit violence, and concealing damning information about the president? Common sense press control is something who’s time is past due.


55 posted on 07/27/2012 6:42:04 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: jazusamo
“Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), a sponsor of the gun control amendment, came to the floor to defend the idea of implementing some “reasonable” gun control measures. The amendment was sponsored by Democratic Sens. Frank Lautenberg (N.J.), Barbara Boxer (Calif.), Jack Reed (R.I.), Bob Menendez (N.J.), Kirsten Gillibrand (N.Y.), Schumer and Dianne Feinstein (Calif.).”

Oh, THIS crew is WELL NOTED for their reasonableness when it comes to guns.

They take the position that the reasonable interpretation of the Second Amendment is the removal of all firearms, knives, and metal objects from the population.

You don't want to know their more unreasonable views.

56 posted on 07/27/2012 7:21:36 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate the Universe, and it hates me.)
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To: Repeal 16-17; All

“To Schmuckie Chuckie, repealing the Second Amendment would be a reasonable gun control measure.”

If you have a copy of “Unintended Consequences” pull it off the bookshelf and check out the “Carl Schaumberg” character. I looked up dates, and Schumer was in the House of Representatives at the copyright date of U.C. just like the Schaumberg character.

It seems likely Schaumberg is a thinly-disguised Schumer, though Schaumberg met a messy end (or should I say “ends”?) in the novel.


57 posted on 07/27/2012 8:09:06 AM PDT by Peet (Everything has an end -- only the sausage has two.)
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To: jazusamo

In other news, the department of homeland security has purchased 450 MILLION, that is MILLION hollow point bullets. These bullets are ILLEGAL in military operations, yet our government buys these things. Even law enforcement cannot use them. So, WHY PRAY TELL, do they need them??? TO USE ON AMERICAN CITIZENS WHO REFUSE TO BUCKLE UNDER TO THEIR COMING COMMUNIST EMPIRE!!! That is why.


58 posted on 07/27/2012 8:41:15 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (You can almost hear the footsteps of Jesus. He is right at the door!)
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To: Still Thinking
When Democrats say they're willing to compromise, it means the good guys (conservatives) give up something they already have, while the leftards "give up" gaining as much collectivist tyranny as they were shooting for, but the change relative to statist quo is always in only one direction.

Either that or "You give up something substantive, and I'll give up some of my hot air."

59 posted on 07/27/2012 8:42:26 AM PDT by danielmryan
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To: pabianice
Great point...A few days ago when the Aurora murders went down the enemedia was going crazy with gun control articles and different slants on the 2nd Amendment.

I was thinking what these Einstein's of the media would say if the shoe was on the other foot and there was talk of limiting the 1st Amendment, not only would we be up in arms (maybe literally) but the enemedia would also be going ape.

60 posted on 07/27/2012 8:50:07 AM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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