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Too Many Guns in the U.S. -- or Too Few?
realclearpolitics.com ^ | 27 July, 2012 | Carl M. Cannon

Posted on 07/27/2012 3:42:57 AM PDT by marktwain

A rampage shooting at the Youth With a Mission center in Arvada, Colo., the night before had taken two lives and left a third man critically wounded. The crime scene was 70 miles from the Colorado Springs campus of the New Life Church. But the killer had escaped into the snowy night, and one member of the congregation -- former Minnesota policewoman Jeanne Assam -- had an ominous feeling he might strike again.

Acting on her instincts, Assam urged the church pastors to post volunteer guards -- some of them armed -- at Sunday services at the sprawling mega-church. And at 1 p.m. on Dec. 9, 2007, Jeanne Assam’s premonition came true.

The Arvada gunman, 24-year-old Matthew J. Murray, showed up just after the 11 a.m. worship service at New Life had ended. He began blazing away in the parking lot, killing two teenage sisters and wounding their father and another woman. Unloading two pistols and a semi-automatic rifle from his car -- along with 1,000 rounds of ammunition in a backpack -- he headed into the church’s foyer.

Hearing the gunfire in the parking lot, Assam drew her licensed pistol from its holster and headed toward the gunman . . .

A Killing Machine

After last week’s horrific shootings inside a movie house in suburban Denver, Americans did what they always do in such circumstances: We moved in two different directions at once.

Many people decried the ease with which firearms can be obtained in this country by unbalanced people with no business playing with matches, let alone high-powered rifles. Others went out and bought a gun. And some did both.

These are contradictory impulses, but they both make sense. Many ordinary Americans, unlike our polarized and linear political parties, can hold two competing ideas in their minds

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; ccw; constitution; gun
People can want to own guns and keep others from owning them. This is the basic mindset of tyranny and slavery.

People can want to own guns and keep liberty for all. This is the basic mindset of freedom.

People can want that there be no guns at all. This is the basic minset of irrationality.

1 posted on 07/27/2012 3:43:06 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

I vote for too few. Where’s my Shield???


2 posted on 07/27/2012 3:47:15 AM PDT by blu
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To: marktwain

Most of these calculated cowards do not want to die. They know the scummedia is thier friend and will give them what they need notariety. If he knew there were armed civilians in this theater would he have continued. Here is where we would find out whether he was sane or insane. The politicians will not protect you and law enforcement arrives to late it is up to the people to protect themselves


3 posted on 07/27/2012 3:57:49 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (bb)
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To: marktwain

Neither. The problem is with an increasingly irresponsible population with Federal and State governments that have gotten between the parent and the child.

Unintended consequences, of a sort.


4 posted on 07/27/2012 3:58:23 AM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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To: blu

If you know how many firearms you have , you don’t have enough ! Every legal qualified U.S. citizen should be required to own at least one handgun and one rifle and be educated on how to use it .


5 posted on 07/27/2012 4:03:35 AM PDT by Renegade
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To: Renegade

Well, OK, I qualify. No idea how many we lost in the tragic boat accident. But I still want one more (this is how it starts, right??? Hubby said it would)..for easier CC. Yeah, that’s the reason..a more fashion-friendly gun!


6 posted on 07/27/2012 4:14:14 AM PDT by blu
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To: marktwain

Too many in the hands of every little government agency and too few in the hands of law abiding citizens.


7 posted on 07/27/2012 4:18:15 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Renegade

> Every legal qualified U.S. citizen should be required to own at least one handgun and one rifle and be educated on how to use it.

Why should I be “required” to own a handgun?
I’ve got a bunch of rifles and shotguns but I’ve never really like handguns. I had to qualify with 2 different models of handguns when I was in the service, but I preferred the rifle in combat.


8 posted on 07/27/2012 4:32:44 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Repeal Obamacare, the CITIZENSHIP TAX)
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To: marktwain

I think the problem is too few guns and way too many gun-free zone signs. All those signs do is tell a killer, “Great place for a mass murder; go for it!”


9 posted on 07/27/2012 4:45:11 AM PDT by NRA1995 (I'll cling to my religion, cigars and guns till they're pried from my cold dead fingers!)
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To: marktwain
A good man or woman with a gun is the antidote to a bad man with a gun.
I can't control the bad mans access to guns.
Therefore I vote for more good men and women with guns.

10 posted on 07/27/2012 4:45:35 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: blu

“I vote for too few. Where’s my Shield???”

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I agree, My daughters got the whole safety/marksmanship course as soon as they were old enough to keep the muzzle out of the dirt.


11 posted on 07/27/2012 5:18:42 AM PDT by mongo141 (Revolution ver. 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: blu
Good news! They make rifles for women to accessorize with now! No more of that black stuff that's hard to match with an outfit!

:P

12 posted on 07/27/2012 5:21:54 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: freedomfiter2
Too many in the hands of every little government agency . .

One law for us serfs, one law for our masters.

I can understand the requirement for police officers to have a weapon with them at all times. They are never really off duty, and if they see a crime (in their jurisdiction) they are expected to intervene.

But other than local LEOs, no one should be allowed to carry a weapon except when under direct orders that make that weapon a key part of the mission. It should be the same as for the military. Their weapons are kept in an armory unless their mission orders require them to have it in their direct possession.

If all the government 'agents' who are given a government license to carry were restricted as ordinary citizens are restricted, I'll be there would be a lot fewer restrictions on ordinary citizens. That would also apply to private security guards for celebrities or government-paid security for politicians. If self-defence is not a valid justification for a citizen to be armed, then it's not a valid justification for a politician to be guarded.

And if an IRS, or Post Office, or whatever agent wanted access to effective self defense in his/her normal life, then get a CHL like the rest of us, and be subject to "gun free" zones like the rest of us.
13 posted on 07/27/2012 5:42:45 AM PDT by Phlyer
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To: marktwain

It’s not the number of guns. It’s the number of responsible users. I say there are far too few.


14 posted on 07/27/2012 6:00:36 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: marktwain
Too Many Guns in the U.S. -- or Too Few?

How about "This is the private, personal business of each and every single American citizen and the leftist Nazis can go suck on the business end of the first gun they run across".

FedGuv can start at our Southern border here in AZ.

15 posted on 07/27/2012 6:05:49 AM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: marktwain

We are adding one on Monday...gift for the wifey!


16 posted on 07/27/2012 6:36:42 AM PDT by jrestrepo (See you all in Galt's gulch)
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To: marktwain

It should be law that all households keep at least one gun in the home for protection, and insurrection when the government intrudes on their freedoms.


17 posted on 07/27/2012 6:42:41 AM PDT by chainsaw ("Two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.")
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To: Phlyer

***One law for us serfs, one law for our masters.***

I have an interesting article somewhere about the French in the 14th & 15th centuries.

During the wars between the English and France, the English bowmen (free men) cut down the French on the battlefield.

The French made some serfs into bowmen but found a problem. Once the serfs became armed they considered themselves free men and were not willing to give up their weapons and become serfs again.


18 posted on 07/27/2012 6:44:02 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: marktwain

The author tried desperately to be “balanced” and “fair” when the issue is not a subjective on of “creamy” or “crunchy”, but of “Freedom” or “Hitler”.

“Hitler also has several valid arguments” just does not wash. A “reasoned” argument in favor of tyranny (especially when that argument has been definitively shown to be wrong), is not reasonable.

Fairness be damned. Hitler is just wrong. Unequivocally wrong. And so is gun control, all at once or through the use of gradualism and deception.

The primary confusion is that, “endowed by the Creator” is not the same as “granted by government”. Endowed rights are neither given nor can they be taken away by government, except illegitimately. A government that tries to do so is almost by definition a tyranny.

No matter the rationalizations they fabricate to justify it.


19 posted on 07/27/2012 9:13:09 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: BuffaloJack

Fits easier under your pillow.


20 posted on 07/27/2012 9:27:52 AM PDT by Renegade
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To: blu

My wife had a fashionable .380 Bersa Thunder till her kayak tipped over and lost it in the lake .


21 posted on 07/27/2012 9:30:09 AM PDT by Renegade
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Once the serfs became armed they considered themselves free men and were not willing to give up their weapons and become serfs again.

Hence, the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution . . . and the reason the socialists are so against it.
22 posted on 07/27/2012 9:37:06 AM PDT by Phlyer
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To: Renegade
Doncha just hate those tragic boating accidents that always seem to end up losing our toys?

Oh, and I'm not into pink guns, not that there's anything wrong with them. The guys I shoot with would make fun of me and laugh me off the range. Additionally, I consider my gun a tool, albeit one that is currently really too large for me to carry...I just have to wear wider clothes, and not get caught "showing" at work.

23 posted on 07/27/2012 3:08:39 PM PDT by blu
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To: Spktyr

Dang. I never had a saleman at my local gun shop that looked like these young ladies. I get the fat guy with a beard, dippin’ and has a 45 on his hip. ;-)


24 posted on 07/27/2012 3:12:09 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (You can almost hear the footsteps of Jesus. He is right at the door!)
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To: blu

I left Pennsy to work 33 years in The People’s Republic Of New Jersey where you needed a Firearms ID card to buy a BB gun. Retired, moved residency back to PA, and have all evil looking toys and a CCW to boot!


25 posted on 07/27/2012 3:21:48 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: RetiredArmy
Need to shop for a better grade of weapon (and store) then:


26 posted on 07/27/2012 3:36:05 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

My local gunshop is full of “good ole boys” who love their guns and sell them by the tons to locals. We are well armed. I have my weapons that I have had for years. My wife and I both have carry permits.


27 posted on 07/28/2012 7:02:41 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (You can almost hear the footsteps of Jesus. He is right at the door!)
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To: marktwain
The reasons for the erosion of support for gun control (or, if you prefer, the increase in support for Second Amendment rights) are not readily apparent, even to veterans of the debate. But in an insightful column this week, Los Angeles Times columnist Doyle McManus proffers two theories:

The first is that the lack of faith in the federal government to administer gun laws corresponds to a general decline in confidence in the government to do much of anything right.

The second reason cited by McManus is the polarization of the two political parties. Historically, about two-thirds of Democrats viewed gun control favorably. That number hasn’t changed much. But in the Republican Party, which was once divided nearly 50-50 on this issue, rank-and-file voters favor gun rights over gun control by a 3-1 margin.

That's still too many RINOs!

28 posted on 08/03/2012 12:01:25 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: marktwain
The reasons for the erosion of support for gun control (or, if you prefer, the increase in support for Second Amendment rights) are not readily apparent, even to veterans of the debate. But in an insightful column this week, Los Angeles Times columnist Doyle McManus proffers two theories:

The first is that the lack of faith in the federal government to administer gun laws corresponds to a general decline in confidence in the government to do much of anything right.

The second reason cited by McManus is the polarization of the two political parties. Historically, about two-thirds of Democrats viewed gun control favorably. That number hasn’t changed much. But in the Republican Party, which was once divided nearly 50-50 on this issue, rank-and-file voters favor gun rights over gun control by a 3-1 margin.

That's still too many RINOs!

29 posted on 08/03/2012 12:01:25 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: marktwain

I know there are too few in my house.


30 posted on 08/03/2012 12:03:31 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

If you find that article, ping me would you?


31 posted on 08/03/2012 7:37:50 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: marktwain

“The great object is that every man be armed . . . Everyone who is able may have a gun.” (Patrick Henry, in the Virginia Convention on the ratification of the Constitution.)


32 posted on 08/03/2012 7:46:40 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: 1010RD

I believe it is in the book LONGBOW by Robert Hardy.

There is so much info in there I would have to read the entire book to find it.


33 posted on 08/03/2012 9:29:11 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Tyrannies demand immense sacrifices of their people to produce trifles.-Marquis de Custine)
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