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NRA took hard right after leadership coup(barf alert)
sfgate.com ^ | 27 July, 2012 | Adam Winkler

Posted on 07/27/2012 7:59:28 PM PDT by marktwain

Six months from now, as the shock of the "Dark Knight" shooting fades, America will likely have no new gun-control laws to prevent such tragedies from occurring again. The credit - or blame - for that inaction will belong to the National Rifle Association, one of America's strongest political interest groups.

How did the NRA gain such influence over American politics? Surprisingly, it happened overnight.

The NRA was founded after the Civil War by two Union soldiers - one of whom was a reporter for a newspaper known today for its opposition to gun rights, the New York Times - who thought the poor shooting skills of servicemen from the North unnecessarily prolonged the conflict. The NRA was formed to improve marksmanship training to better prepare American servicemen to fight future wars.

Although today's NRA is known for its antigovernment rhetoric - Wayne LaPierre, the NRA's executive vice president, once called federal law enforcement officers "a jackbooted group of fascists" - the early NRA was weaned on government subsidies. Its first rifle range was financed by a government grant, and over the years the NRA has been singled out to purchase surplus military firearms at discounted prices.

In the early 1900s, the NRA began to flex its political muscle - in favor of gun control. NRA leaders helped draft the Uniform Firearms Act, a piece of model legislation enacted by dozens of states to restrict the carrying of firearms in public. The law required anyone who wanted to carry a concealed weapon to first obtain a permit and imposed a waiting period on the sale of handguns.

"I have never believed in the general practice of carrying weapons," said Karl Frederick, the organization's former president. "I think it should be sharply restricted and only under licenses."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; nra; winkler
Winkler really exposes himself as a leftist here. He uses value judgements disguised as "fact" to build a "progressive" narrative about the NRA.

I have been a member of the NRA during much of the period he discusses, and my father was a member before me. I remember reading the American Rifleman before 1968.

Winkler is simply wrong. The NRA woke up in 1968, not 1977. There was a plan to subvert the orgnization away from protecting the Second Amendment, a task it took up in the late 1960's. That plan was extinguished by the "revolt in Cincinnati" in 1977, where the voting membership took control of the organization and put in place reforms to insure that the membership had a voice.

Mr. Winkler makes much of the fact that the NRA was not concerned with gun control legislation until the late 1960's. That is true, primarily because, except for the National Firearms act of 1932 (tepidly supported by the NRA, though Elmer Keith lead a revolt of members that prevented pistols from being classed with machine guns), there was almost no national gun control.

People could buy anti-aircraft and anti-tank cannon through the mail, with ammunition.

It wasn't until 1968 that the progressives were able to harness their growing power in the MSM to push through another major infringment of the Second Amendment.

That woke up the NRA membership, which pushed the leadership into defending the Constitutional right.

1 posted on 07/27/2012 7:59:40 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

the real tragedy is that they think new gun control laws would prevent this stuff


2 posted on 07/27/2012 8:02:19 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: marktwain

A San Fernasco metrosexual telling US about the history of the NRA. ROTFL!!!


3 posted on 07/27/2012 8:03:04 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The NRA did not create James "The Joker" Holmes. Harvey Weinstein's Hollywood did.)
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To: marktwain

double barf, except - it’s so fun to read the tone of bitterness throughout - and know that most thinking people see right through it


4 posted on 07/27/2012 8:12:16 PM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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To: marktwain

I wonder what will cause more deaths in America this year:

a). Innocent people from mass murder
b). Pillow biters from AIDS


5 posted on 07/27/2012 8:12:38 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: FlingWingFlyer
The NRA opposed the 1968 law, but it was a bit too little, too late. The MSM had too much power, and shaped the debate.

The 1968 law was aimed directly at the NRA, because it banned mail order sales of firearms, and the NRA got a great deal of its revenue directly form ads for the mail order of firearms in the American Rifleman.

People were concerned that the NRA might not survive. You could make a case that those who pushed for disarmament of the American people created the seeds of their own demise when they forced the NRA to rely on membership dues for their survival. The membership has always been more concerned with protecting the Second Amendment than most of the NRA leadership.

The NRA was not taken over by hardliners, it was taken over by centrist constitutionalists.

6 posted on 07/27/2012 8:14:38 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
as the shock of the "Dark Knight" shooting fades, America will likely have no new gun-control laws to prevent such tragedies from occurring again.

That is as far as I chose to read.
Whatever the good intentions, I reject unconditionally that a fundamental Constitutional right can be cancelled based entirely on (ignorant) opinion.
I have neither the time nor the inclination to educate the morons about history, culture, the social contract and human nature.

HELL NO!!

7 posted on 07/27/2012 8:18:15 PM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: marktwain
Manipulating the rules of order, the hardliners staged a coup from the floor.

Left-speak for "The majority was able to vote out the out of touch leadership using the democratic rules of the organization".

8 posted on 07/27/2012 8:25:07 PM PDT by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: publius911
. . . America will likely have no new gun-control laws to prevent such tragedies from occurring again.

That's actually a true statement. Because gun-control laws do not and have never prevented these tragedies at all.

They simply make it more likely that the body count will be higher because they make it less likely that an armed and well-regulated citizen will take the perp out.

9 posted on 07/27/2012 8:27:28 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: marktwain

It’s not about the NRA; it’s about the Constitution and liberty.


10 posted on 07/27/2012 8:29:58 PM PDT by Spok
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To: marktwain
The NRA opposed the 1968 law, but it was a bit too little, too late. The MSM had too much power, and shaped the debate.

I posted this on another thread, and I won't change a thing. Blooming idiot, like this idiot, said...

"I don't understand why the police officers across this country don't stand up collectively and say, 'We're going to go on strike. We're not going to protect you unless you, the public, through your legislature, do what's required to keep us safe,"

Let's cut to the chase. If BloominIdiot and his ilk existed between 1776 and 1791, when we finally had a practicable Constitution, and presented their fatuous version of leadership, they would have been summarily hanged to be able to get back to the business of creating the exceptional State.

The facts are clear for anyone who wishes to examine them:

Total law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty in 2011 --- 173. And they all had guns! Total civilians murdered in 2010 (no figures yet for 2011) ---- 12,996. Not a set of numbers that would inspire either confidence nor gratitude by the survivors. Specially when the law insists that it's our duty, when confronted by a killer, to run, rather than protect ourselves by whatever means are necessary. Even most children could reason out the idiocy of that set of ineffective premises for survival is our current society. Assuming, of course, that humanity's primary duty is to protect the innocent and punish the guilty.

That's a ratio of 75 to 1. Not exactly the most intellectual argument for challenging the Second Amendment.

What makes the life of a policeman worth more than everyone else? When did the mind-boggling rule get cemented permanently that We the People gave up our right to protect ourselves, our family and our community, permanently and irrevocably?

We merely assigned a duty, we did NOT forfeit a natural and perpetual right. The right to self preservation.

When seconds count, the police are just minutes away!

Bloomingidiot, most of us wish that the police would go on strike, and we were able once again to protect ourselves. Most of us are willing and able to do exactly that.

Police very seldom prevent murders. They tell us that. The courts tell us that they have no duty actually to prevent our murders; actually to protect us. All they do today is to make sure that the body is taken to the proper place, mutter "Sorry for your loss," and go have another donut.

Bloomie, I prefer to defend the Second Amendment and die fighting. Deal with it.

11 posted on 07/27/2012 8:35:35 PM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: marktwain; All

Listening to all of the liberals, progressives and whatever, yelling and screaming like the NRA is the equivalent of Pol Pot and we don’t need this or we don’t need that in relation to our choice of weapons, something came to mind.

Isn’t it a crying shame the NRA exists only to protect that inconvenient little thing called the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.


12 posted on 07/27/2012 8:39:36 PM PDT by mazda77 ("Defeating the Totalitarian Lie" By: Hilmar von Campe. Everybody should read it.)
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To: marktwain
If the NRA is Far Right, Gun Owners of America must be a wing of the John Birch Society.
13 posted on 07/27/2012 8:43:00 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (The only good Zombie is a dead Zombie, oh wait...)
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To: GeronL

I think they know better actually. They aren’t that stupid. Gun control isn’t all about preventing gun violence as they would have us believe, it’s about power. If law abiding conservatives are disarmed, who does that leave with the guns and where does that consolidate the power?


14 posted on 07/27/2012 8:46:05 PM PDT by RC one (this space intentionally left blank)
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To: RC one
http://www.foxbusiness.com/on-air/lou-dobbs-tonight/index.html?intcmp=onairexpnav#/v/1758143412001/an-attack-on-the-second-amendment/?playlist_id=164630

Lou Dobbs tonight

15 posted on 07/27/2012 8:47:19 PM PDT by scooby321 (h tones)
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To: scooby321

http://www.foxbusiness.com/on-air/lou-dobbs-tonight/index.html?intcmp=onairexpnav#/v/1758143412001/an-attack-on-the-second-amendment/?playlist_id=164630


16 posted on 07/27/2012 8:47:53 PM PDT by scooby321 (h tones)
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To: marktwain

Very good recap of little known history.


17 posted on 07/27/2012 8:49:29 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: RC one

bump


18 posted on 07/27/2012 8:49:29 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: publius911

Imagine having laws written and changed based on daily news headlines.


19 posted on 07/27/2012 8:53:10 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: scooby321

I love Lou but I will have to check that out later.


20 posted on 07/27/2012 8:53:58 PM PDT by RC one (this space intentionally left blank)
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To: marktwain

Good synopsis, thank you.


21 posted on 07/27/2012 8:55:08 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: doorgunner69

You are welcome.


22 posted on 07/27/2012 8:56:38 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Travis McGee

Thank you Matt.


23 posted on 07/27/2012 8:59:54 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: GeronL
It's more inane drivel from the "forks made me fat" crowd. Logic and reason are beyond their mental faculties.
24 posted on 07/27/2012 9:23:03 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (Riding the Long-Wave Economic Contraction, Baby!)
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To: TheWriterTX

so true.

Logic is something leftists abhor.


25 posted on 07/27/2012 9:25:25 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: publius911
We merely assigned a duty, we did NOT forfeit a natural and perpetual right. The right to self preservation.

well said

26 posted on 07/27/2012 9:29:09 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: marktwain
How did the NRA gain such influence over American politics?

The collectivists like to believe that opposition to gun control stems from an evil special interest group, when in fact it stems from an overwhelming majority of American citizens.

27 posted on 07/27/2012 9:43:14 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (You didn't build that. We built that ... city on rock and roll.)
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To: marktwain

The Norwegian State’s Communist broadcaster (one of the only two in the game, the other one is the Party broadcast), was seriously bitter that the assault on the US 2nd amendment had failed.

Expect more from Norwegian labor.


28 posted on 07/27/2012 9:46:47 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama Kills))
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To: marktwain
Winkler is as you correctly describe him, an ass and a fool. What does one expect from a so-called academician from San Francisco.

Karl Frederick, who Winkler is so effusive about was a classic upper class insider. Here is a short biography:

Besides his competitive accomplishments at the 1920 Olympics, Karl Frederick captained the U.S. Olympic shooting team in 1948. He later became president of the National Rifle Association and a vice-president of the U.S. Revolver Association. Frederick attended Princeton, graduating in 1903, and then entered Harvard Law School, from which he earned an LL.B. in 1908. He made his career as a practicing lawyer in New York City for many years. He was also active in environmental causes, serving as chairman and president of the New York State Conservation Council and as a senior board member and Vice-Chairman of the executive committee of the American Forestry Association.

He was one of those people who believed the masses should have some liberty just not to much. The NRA was for a long time the preserve of TR types that were concerned about the decay of marksmanship skills as one of a number of issues that NE upper class WASP statists worried over in the late 19th century. The people should be encouraged to learn how to shoot so they could be used to fill the militia to defend the country or suppress hoe grown revolution, not that the 2nd Amendment was what it is, an expansive grant of liberty which is only in part to enable the state to defend itself against invaders but also that the states could defend themselves against aggression from the national government and the people could defend their liberties against any government state or federal that infringed them. TR was contemptuous of the wide grant of liberties the Constitution bestoyed and he and people like Fredericks and Pinchot felt the people had to be led from above by their social betters and a class of experts and the masses shouldn't presume to have to much freedom as they were incapable of exercising the control necessary to keep liberty from turning into license and anarchy.

The NRA today is a 2nd Amendment oriented organization sort of. It is to much a part of the Beltway culture and is to wiling to compromise with the permanent bureaucracy on gun rights issues. The NRA should have moved to Colorado or somewhere west of the 100th Meridian as was once proposed.
Today the President of the NRA is , and I don't know how the insiders pulled it off, the squishy so called conservative David Keene the long time head of the ACA. The ACA declined steadily into irrelevancy under Keene and the good thing about his NRA tenure is that NRA presidents generally don't serve multiple terms any more. Keene is a pleasant and intelligent man who lacks any sort of combativeness and I never heard of him having any particular 2nd Amendment interest prior to his candidacy. Further their are strong rumors that Keene is a not so well closeted gay. That makes him a typical inside the beltway bent personality who can be guaranteed to fold at a critical moment.
If gun rights are important to you belong to the NRA but join Gun Owner's of America. They are the real deal.

29 posted on 07/27/2012 9:59:02 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: marktwain

When the mental hospitals come back, the tragedies like we just experienced will decrease. Until then, we live with it. Thank you NRA for championing the 2nd Amendment. The 2nd Amendment had nothing to do with Aurora, Co. Not confining persons who endanger society is the problem.


30 posted on 07/27/2012 10:02:08 PM PDT by pacpam (action=consequence and applies in all cases - friend of victory)
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To: Vigilanteman
Exactly! And the shootings in Aurora in fact make the case! The theater was a gun free zone. Nobody in the theater carried a gun, even those holding a concealed carry permit. This was supposed to guarantee everyone's safety. The result was just the opposite, as it will be if gun control laws are enacted. Facing no opposition from a disarmed audience, the mad gunman murdered at will.
31 posted on 07/27/2012 10:34:34 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Our liberties, we prize and our rights we will maintain ... USS Iowa BB 61)
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To: ArmyTeach

“The theater was a gun free zone. Nobody in the theater carried a gun, even those holding a concealed carry permit.”

I’m afraid I would have to ignore that “gun-free zone” crapola.


32 posted on 07/27/2012 10:44:39 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: EEGator
As Emily Miller tells us in the Washington Times:
In 2010, twice as many people were beaten to death by bare hands (745) than were killed by all rifles put together (358), including the evil so-called assault rifles.
33 posted on 07/27/2012 11:05:55 PM PDT by atomic_dog
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To: GeronL

You know, for all their anti NRA rhetoric by the lefties. It is not the NRA they are afraid of, it is the American people who own guns which the NRA speaks for.


34 posted on 07/28/2012 1:11:38 AM PDT by Sea Parrot (Once I was young, now I am old and the in between went way too fast)
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To: marktwain

“The NRA was founded after the Civil War by two Union soldiers - one of whom was a reporter for a newspaper known today for its opposition to gun rights, the New York Times..”

I see that the author neglected the fact that it was General Ambrose E. Burnside that founded the NRA.


35 posted on 07/28/2012 3:31:32 AM PDT by panaxanax (Voting 'Third Party' will ensure a Communist-Marxist-Socialist dominated Supreme Court!)
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To: marktwain

adam winkler is some sodomites “brown eyed girl”.

LLS


36 posted on 07/28/2012 5:14:33 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Don't Tread On Me)
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