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To: SkyPilot
Why don't Jews vote Republican? Its the Jesus Christ...

Respectfully,but having many years behind me as a Jew, and naturally with lots of Jewish relatives and friends over the years, that is absolute hogwash.

Also for you to extrapolate Medved's comments into your own distorted analysis is unconscionable.

As to the questions will Jews care about Romney's Mormonism? For most, about as much as you would care about whether a Jewish candidate is Reform or Conservative. Yes, I know many Christians don't consider Mormonism Christian but the point is I really couldn't care less.

7 posted on 07/31/2012 4:08:27 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: expat1000

“the point is I really couldn’t care less.”
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Thank you for expressing it in standard English rather than the common absurdity that is almost always used.


9 posted on 07/31/2012 4:35:28 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Free healthcare is worth FAR LESS than it costs.)
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To: expat1000
Respectfully, before you use words such as "hogwash", "distorted", and "extrapolate" - it would be wise to at least read the very words of Michael Medved quoted in the link.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2811449/posts

This isn't something I made up.

The facts here vis a vis what Medved said are not even in a gray area. There can be no confusing what his opinions are on this matter. I didn't "distort" or "extrapolate" anything.

I linked to a FR thread that discussed this, and within that thread is a link to Medved's original thesis.

What gives? If Israel isn't the factor that impels most Jews to vote differently from their Christian neighbors, then what is? The answer is that distinctive religious attitudes among Jews play a greater role in shaping voting behavior than ideology, education levels, income, or any sense of ethnic solidarity. The most recent National Jewish Population Survey found only 27% of American Jews attending synagogue even once a month, compared with Gallup polls showing 53% of Americans in general (and 61% of Republicans) who attend church at least that regularly. Only 59% of American Jews bother to fast on Yom Kippur, the holiest day of the year, compared with the more than 95% of Christians who say they celebrate Christmas. By every measure, American Jews are less involved with religious organizations and observance than their Catholic or Protestant neighbors. As Gallup regularly reports, religious outlook plays a profound role in shaping political preferences. In 2008, those who attended religious services every week gave McCain a big advantage of 12 percentage points while those declaring they "never" attended church (16% of the population) went for Obama by an even more lopsided margin: 67% to 30%. It shouldn't come as a surprise that the Jewish community, where only a minority chooses to worship even monthly, mirrors the political attitudes of the secular community of "no affiliation" far more closely than it reflects the outlook of any other religious faith. The voting behavior of American Jews conforms closely to the preferences of the irreligious and the unaffiliated precisely because so many of them are, in fact, theologically unaffiliated. This means that Republican identification as the more viscerally, consistently pro-Israel party won't attract American Jews as powerfully as they'll feel repelled by the GOP image as the more outspokenly religious party — and particularly the political home of enthusiastic Christian Evangelicals. Given their prevailing disconnection from observance or religious affirmation, many Jews characterize themselves not by what they believe but what they don't believe: We're not Christians. This is the single shared religious conviction (or non-conviction) connecting secular atheists such as Woody Allen and Orthodox believers such as Joe Lieberman. It's also why "Jews for Jesus" or self-styled "Messianic Jews" are ultimate outcasts in the Jewish world, recognized by no mainstream organizations. By embracing Christian doctrine, such groups defy the very essence of Jewishness for big majorities of American Jews who maintain no affiliation with religious institutions, but nonetheless reject claims of Christ's divinity.

Gee, a lot of ambiguity by Medved there, right? I mean, I "distorted" and "extrapolated" what he said about Christ being the issue among Jews, didn't I? No, I didn't.

Medved went on to say:

"When Pastor Robert Jeffress told the Values Voter Summit last month that he preferredRick Perry because the Texas governor was "a genuine follower of Jesus Christ," Jewish voters cringed, understandably. Jeffress' formulation for an ideal candidate might have left Mormons out (a matter of hot dispute, depending on whether Mormonism counts as a form of Christianity), but it most certainly excluded Jews like me. Such incidents leave many Jews poised to vote on fears of Christian intolerance rather than hopes of Christian love for Israel."

As to the issue of Mormonism, you said you don't care less - but that point is essential among Christians. To many Jews, Mormonism is simply another "He's Not-Jewish" category - but to Christians, Mormonism is an apostate cult. Even Medved addresses the issue of Mormonism being rejected by many Christians in his article.

As an Evangelical Christian, I am on your side. I am on Israel's side. I am on the side of Jews against Islam. I am gladly on the side of Jehovah who made a covenant with the Jewish people that is still valid today.

However, it is clear that many, many Jews reject Republicans because they associate Republicans with following Yeshua, who they reject as the Messiah.

One of the greatest Jewish men to ever walk this planet was Paul - who became the greatest Christian evangelist the world has ever known. He wrote:

"But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumbling block, and unto the Greeks foolishness." 1 Corinthians 1:23

12 posted on 07/31/2012 5:02:59 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: expat1000
Medved’s suggestions are bizarre, to say the least.
13 posted on 07/31/2012 5:18:46 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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