Posted on 08/03/2012 3:44:31 PM PDT by NoLibZone
Most people outside Southwest Virginia have never heard of Virgil Goode, a former Franklin County congressman with a distinctive drawl who conceivably could decide the presidential election. But he is well known to President Barack Obama's team of political advisers.
Goode served six terms in Congress and is gathering signatures to appear on the ballot here as the presidential candidate from the Constitution Party.
He's already on the ballot in more than a dozen other states with an anti-immigration, pro-term limit platform he hopes makes a dent with the electorate.
It's not likely to be much of a dent, but enough in Virginia for Obama campaign officials to take close notice of his potentially helpful candidacy.
But within the Obama camp he is considered one of two who could tilt the race by pulling votes away from Republican challenger Mitt Romney.
The other is Libertarian Party candidate Gary Johnson, a former two-term Republican governor of New Mexico whose presence on the ballot could make a difference in the presidential contest in states such as New Mexico and Colorado.
But Democrats see Goode and Johnson as this year's Ralph Nader, whom they still blame for Al Gore's loss to George W. Bush in 2000.
"If Virgil Goode gets on the ballot in Virginia that is going to make it very tough on Romney," said Democratic strategist Joe Trippi, a veteran of presidential campaigns. It's difficult to imagine Romney getting the 270 electoral votes he needs to win if he doesn't carry Virginia, Trippi said, adding that Goode "would be potentially crippling to Romney."
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A vote for Goode is a vote for him (Goode) and a slap at the GOP establishment that chose him.
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You’ll have nothing to “slap at” if obama gets a second term to finish up what he’s started. America? Freedom? FORGET ABOUT IT. A slap at the GOP will be the least of your problems.
“The next quarterly report (Oct. quarterly) will be in Nov”
OOps! The report will be in October, not Nov.
So we may know some of the Dems’ support by then. Though these reports are always updated later so much info could be delayed.
Hey, if you take "ABO" literally -- not euphemistically (as most FREEPERs use it)...ABO = Virgil Goode as well.
Virgil Goode is "anybody but Obama."
The "ABO" folks just started using that acronym as a euphemism for, "I'm pro-liberal Mitt Romney."
“You had better stop saying or implying otherwise”
You are to funny. You make an implied threat to someone in post 17 but you have no qualms in making a threat to me. I stand by my statements. I feel the country is on the precipice and this election is that important. IMHO a RINO is better than a Marxist. I am fighting the down stream battles like Ted Cruz over Dewhurst. By the way I was with Jim at Searchlight supporting Sarah and the Tea Party movement. Apparently we differ on the Romney part. My support was for Sarah and then Newt.
(If this wasn't so tragically so...it'd be funny...but dismembering the pre-born -- or as "pro-life" Mitt put it to Katie Couric in Dec of '07 -- "donating" your offspring "to research" is "OK"...is never OK)
Ya got pro-aborts running for office...and you have converted pro-aborts by extension voting for one or the other in the voting booth...
“Virgil Goode is “anybody but Obama.””
Goode does not stand a chance like a snowball in hell. By the way has Goode been “vetted”. Do you really know who Goode is?
How in the world is the following statement not pro-abortion????
December 4, 2007: Romney: ...surplus embryos...Those embryos, I hope, could be available for adoption for people who would like to adopt embryos. But if a parent decides they would want to donate one of those embryos for purposes of research, in my view, that's acceptable. It should not be made against the law." (Source: Candidates Reveal Their Biggest Mistakes)
At what point do embryos "graduate" into humanity, Mitt? At what point do embryos "graduate" into humanity, 1raider1?
What if somebody said to you, "Prove to me you think that offspring sacrifice is 'OK' as Mitt says it is by sacrificing your own former embryos..."???
Wrong. ABO is a euphemism for "Since our next President will either be Romney or Obama, I am going with Romney".
Demonstrate that someone other than Obama or Romney will win this next election, and I'm in. Otherwise, accept my position for what it is, even if you don't agree with it.
As I said, JR is a known quantity -— you are not.
Unlike OTHER races, the POTUS isn't elected by popular vote...he is elected electorally...state by state...
One poll -- even before Goode has qualified for the Virginia ballot -- has him at 9% in VA without even "pushing" it...
If we were wagering people (and I'm not)...what $ would you give me for Romney to win ANY of the following states:
* NY
* NJ
* Connecticut
* RI
* Delaware
* Maryland
* Hawaii
* Vermont
* Washington
* Oregon
* California
* Illinois
* Maine
* Massachusetts
(Perhaps with such easy $ available, I should start offering bets to various FREEPERs...all Romney has to do is to take ONE of these states to win the bet...If we started each wage @ a $1,000 a pop, I'd become fairly wealthy with enough takers...At the end of it all, I'd have to tell them...sorry...this isn't the Olympics...no "silver medal" for Mitt awaits for him in these states...no such thing as "medaling" in the POTUS race)
So...will you be consistent, Parley...are you going to tell potential Romney voters in the above states that their candidate likewise has a chance of taking the above electoral votes fairly equal to the chance of a "snowball in hell."???
If FREEPERs were really principled conservatives, they would at least tell conservative voters in the above states to vote for anybody but Obama and Romney [the ABOAR voters]! (Goode, for example, is already on the ballot in Oregon)
But...I think true colors emerge for some of the (new) RINOs among us...
By the way has Goode been “vetted”. Do you really know who Goode is?
(Most former Congressmen have been "vetted" -- not always to the nth degree)
as someone who lives in the area, Goode is going to play the spoiler for Romney sucking off 5% of the vote. Goode is really popular in coal county on the far southwest and the textile mill areas of Martinsville and Danville. Obama’s base is in Roanoke, Blacksburg, Charlottesville, Northern Virginia, Richmond and parts of the Virginia Beach area. Romney has to find votes in the rest of the side to outweigh the urban areas, and Goode makes that tougher to do. What we don’t know is if Goode will steal some of the blue collar Dem vote in the rural areas.
No, if they are TRUE "ABO" voters, then they wouldn't get riled about people voting for Virgil Goode or Tom Hoefling. They'd realize that Virgil & Tom qualify under the "ABO" umbrella.
But we've happened to notice that there's ONLY ONE name that's "allowed" with most claiming the "ABO" label...and it happens to be "Mitt Romney."
Therefore, 'tis a euphemism for the pro-socialist healthcare pioneer voting crowd.
Way to put up a Solomonic dilemma for a man, then beat him up because he didn't give an answer that YOU like.
Anybody But Obama And Romney
If you live in one of the nine swing states Obama has heavily campaigned/targeted, hey, I'll at least understand why you won't join my movement. (I don't want Obama re-elected, either).
Hence, I won't expect any FREEPER to lobby anybody to joisn the ABOAR movement in those given swing states...
But, if you live in -- or know of anybody who lives in -- the following states...no excuse exists to NOT be part of the ABOAR movement:
* NY
* NJ
* Connecticut
* RI
* Delaware
* Maryland
* Hawaii
* Vermont
* Washington
* Oregon
* California
* Illinois
* Maine
* Massachusetts
* (Also D.C. as a district)
If you happen to live in a state that Obama just won't win, well, I wouldn't expect you to lobby non-FREEPERs to join the ABOAR movement...But, if we subtracted 100% of Romney FREEPER votes from those states...and gave them to either Virgil Goode or Tom Hoefling, THEN we would still have the same results electorally...Romney would win those states; Obama would lose those states...Hence, your FREEPER vote isn't personally needed to ensure an Obama loss. (Sorry to bust your "ABO" bubble...but that's the HUGE problem when you move to the far left of your "ABAL" foundation -- Anybody But a Liberal)
Virginia is a swing state and could very well decide the outcome of the election. The states you listed are obviously in the Obama column and Romney has very little chance of winning one. So what is your point as those are not swing states? Implying I am a RINO is another good one. You guys are way to funny.
Yes, because I am "they" as in ABO'rs, and my only beef with either of them is that they can't win. Demonstrate to me that a vote for either of them is anything other than one less vote Obama needs to win, and I'll reconsider.
But we've happened to notice that there's ONLY ONE name that's "allowed" with most claiming the "ABO" label...and it happens to be "Mitt Romney."
That's because apart from Obama, he is the only one who can win this election. I'll say it again, demonstrate otherwise, and I'm in./i
Well, of course, I see you would embrace slicing & dicing of embryos, then, eh? (Why let's just take ALL embryos, slice them down the middle, and we'll put up the "right halves" for adoption...and the "left halves" we'll "donate" them "to research." That seems like THE answer Mitt gave Katie a full year into his so-called "pro-life" campaign...And, if Mitt doesn't like that "choice," then we can just tell him, "Hey, don't beat us up if we gave you a question that you didn't like.")
Yeah, but Romney can't win in those list of states I mentioned in posts #54 & #50...I don't see you going 'round telling conservative voters in those states NOT to vote for Romney...just 'cause Mitt can't win in those states...
Where's your consistency???
That's because apart from Obama, he is the only one who can win this election.
I'll say it again. The POTUS vote is NOT a popular vote.
It doesn't matter how many Left Coast voters you recruit to vote for Romney; Obama is the ONLY one who can win the Left Coast. (Hawaii, CA, OR, WA)
ALL has to be considered on a state-by-state basis. And there's ZERO reason if you live in an Obama state to vote for Romney. (You utilitarian pragmatic political relativist voters are quite funny...you advocate utilitarianism, pragmatism, relativism when it comes to promoting the "ABO" label...but you won't do the same thing for residents living in the Obama states...why not???)
Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil. Many among us will refuse to vote for evil.
I’m reminded of the kinds of brutal “choices” forced on good people by brutal, laughing thugs in communist and fascist regimes: “Murder your wife with this gun or we’ll kill your daughter.” Only a fool would really believe not killing your wife is the same as murdering your daughter - it’s a false choice indended only to reveal one’s powerlessness. Not voting for an “evil” is not the same as voting for evil. When stated that way the absurdity of the claim is revealed.
It’s not up to others on this board to convince Goode supporters to vote for the lesser of two evils in Romney. It’s up to Romney to convince all of us that he is in fact a champion of liberty and will be a good president, thereby winning back Goode’s supporters. Until he does that, it’s senseless to berate each other here.
The problem with that logic is we've seen enough "too close to call" elections to know we can't take any state for granted. We saw it in 2000. In a too close to call state like Virginia, If Romney gets 48%, Goode gets 2%, and Hoefling gets 1% of the popular vote while Obama gets 49%, then Obama wins and gets all of the state's electoral votes, even though he didn't get a majority of the popular vote. And a lot of "Obama" states could be "too close to call" states if the economy doesn't improve.
Besides, nobody wants another "won the electoral vote even though he lost the popular vote" controversy.
Where's your consistency???
I have been consistent in calling on you to demonstrate to me that anyone other than Romney or Obama will win in November.
ALL has to be considered on a state-by-state basis. And there's ZERO reason if you live in an Obama state to vote for Romney.
All we have to do is mistake one "too close to call" state for an "Obama state", and that could be enough to give us four years of Obama. Without another election to worry about and with the MSM supporting him, there will be nothing to stop him from pushing his agenda.
(You utilitarian pragmatic political relativist voters are quite funny...you advocate utilitarianism, pragmatism, relativism when it comes to promoting the "ABO" label...but you won't do the same thing for residents living in the Obama states...why not???)
Because I don't care if other leftist candidates steal votes from Obama.
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