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America’s First Drone-Assisted Arrest Upheld in Court
politicaloutcast ^ | August 4, 2012 | Philip Hodges

Posted on 08/04/2012 9:53:13 AM PDT by upchuck

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Here we go. Kiss the 4th amendment goodbye.
1 posted on 08/04/2012 9:53:18 AM PDT by upchuck
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To: upchuck

How 1984 Orwellian, huh? =.=


2 posted on 08/04/2012 9:56:19 AM PDT by cranked
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Hmmm... so he was holding the cows as security until the neighbor paid for the feed the cows had eaten. Sounds reasonable enough.

If he’d taken the neighbor to small claims court instead of chasing the first responders away with rifles, this would have been resolved.

Why was the government so eager to intervene with so much muscle in a spat between what were probably two jerky neighbors who disliked each other?


3 posted on 08/04/2012 9:59:09 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: upchuck

And for all you who supported the Patriot Act back in the day ...THIS is the result. It isn’t about Terrorism any more than RICO is about the mob.


4 posted on 08/04/2012 9:59:55 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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A SWAT team, a bomb squad, a drone and a tasering. All this over six cows?

A quick search tells me that a cow is worth anywhere from between $2000-$5000. That's $12,000-$30,000. I have a strong hunch you wouldn't be questioning the methods if your neighbor had $30,000 that belonged to you.

After the younger adult Brossart children drew weapons on law enforcement they should all just thank whatever god they believe in that the SWAT team didn't justifiably go in guns blazing. These people are obviously not only kooks, but dangerous ones at that.

5 posted on 08/04/2012 10:02:01 AM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: upchuck
How long til the homeowner's version is available?


6 posted on 08/04/2012 10:03:42 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: upchuck

It can orbit from 5 miles away and kill you from there. You will not see it in the air.

7 posted on 08/04/2012 10:04:55 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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guess they didn’t need to use it at the border, since that has already been sealed up


8 posted on 08/04/2012 10:08:29 AM PDT by jjw
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To: upchuck
After a total of 16 hours of standoff, the SWAT team raided the house and arrested Brossart’s sons on "terrorizing" and other charges.

Terrorism is the act of committing a random act of violence, that will intimidate and terrorize the public at large.

The imprecision of this charge alone lets you know the local authorities have their heads firmly implanted.

If that range law is on the books, the officers don't have a leg to stand on.

As for using the drone, don't escalate the incident to the point you have armed resistance in the first place, and you won't have to abuse your citizens as a result.

I happen to think this guy was a bit of a yahoo, but you don't attack people for being a bit strange. I would have given the cattle back, but if this guy was operating under some sort of range law that was still in effect, he's right and they are wrong.

This guy may win on the issue of the cattle. And if he does, the officials in that police department are going to come off looking like complete idiot bastards.

Charge the guy with a crime. Give him a summons. Handle the issue in court. Those cattle weren't humans. Their return wasn't required in 24 hours. This did not have to be handled this way.

Citizens and officers were subjected to a life threatening situation, when they didn't need to be. An unmanned aircraft was also used when it didn't need to be.

These damned small police department heads that turn their jurisdiction into a somewhat of a fiefdom, contribute to an image of laws enforcement totally out of control.

Don't these idiots think at all before they escalate these situations way beyond what is called for?

9 posted on 08/04/2012 10:22:40 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Vote Obama he's unqualified on so many subjects, citizenship, history, economics, racism, allies...)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Actually, it was the neighbor who didn’t keep his cattle on his own property who should have gone to court to get his cattle back. In court the issue of reimbursement of feed could be addressed at the same time.

I suppose you could say the guy wanting reimbursement should have returned the cattle and gone to court. “Possession is nine-tenths of the law.” If you give up your cards, you don’t win the pot.

It would be interesting to know just how much the person arrested wanted for feeding those cattle. It may have been an embarrassingly small amount.


10 posted on 08/04/2012 10:30:07 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Vote Obama he's unqualified on so many subjects, citizenship, history, economics, racism, allies...)
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That’s not a real plane. Or that’s a very old photo. There’s no such thing as border protection under Obama. /s


11 posted on 08/04/2012 10:37:46 AM PDT by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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When police first showed up on the scene, they tasered and arrested Mr. Brossart after he refused to surrender the cows.

His wife was also arrested for supposedly “misleading” the police as to where the “illegal weapons” were.

Illegal weapons? This is supposedly about six cows. So, not talking to police about "illegal weapons" who are at your property without a warrant = arrest.



Police arrived again the following day and were chased away by Brossart’s armed, adult children.

"Arrived again," the next day, still no warrant? Amazing.

That’s when police reciprocated with a warrant, a SWAT team, a bomb squad and an Unmanned Aerial Vehicle, courtesy of Homeland Security.

How about showing up just once WITH an actual warrant BEFORE you drag out the para-military parade.

Yeah, I know, where is the fun in that, right?

If the cows were on his property due to the lack of control on the part of the actual owner, the actual owner needs to go through the process of getting them back.

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12 posted on 08/04/2012 10:43:06 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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I was just thinking “this is EXACTLY how Andy Griffith would have handled it”.

I mean, Barney Fife.

So there you have it. There are two types of sheriffs, and this place has the wrong kind.

And these kinds of articles are news because they’re about the wrong kind doing the job wrongly.

And there are two types of landwoners, and this place had two of the same wrong kind (Barney Fifes).

Wouldn’t you OFFER payment for grass consumed x2 right after your apology upon first seeing the owner open his front door? Probably a history of incompetence.


13 posted on 08/04/2012 10:48:59 AM PDT by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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I will say this for Gestapo LE and DHS. They learned their lessons from Waco and Ruby Ridge. Slap a POLICE sticker on a drone and their claim "it is an officer of the law" sticks like glue - just like it does when one of their vicious dogs goes wild and mangles someone. The real crime here is that the family was perceived as "sovereignists". Making matters much worse, jackbooted officials considered them [gasp] armed!
14 posted on 08/04/2012 10:51:28 AM PDT by Gaffer
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It’s not common for people to brandish weapons against law enforcement,

Well, not yet, anyway.

15 posted on 08/04/2012 10:55:18 AM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: bmwcyle

i’m not claiming its fulfilled like this, but also people are too ready to assume Revelation Chapter 13 requires star wars type futuristic technology ultimately to fulfill for such passages as this:

“. . he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men”

or

“who is able to make war with him”

when in fact this could be flying over our houses this very minute, and how could any of us defend against it,


16 posted on 08/04/2012 11:25:47 AM PDT by captmar-vell
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It sounds to me that when the cows wandered onto this man’s farm, it became a civil matter, not a criminal one. The police should have told the owner of the cows to get a lawyer, and filed the report. The farmer should have said “sue me, unless you want to agree to a reasonable settlement “. The police escalated this unnecessarily,unless there are some other facts not being stated. How did this go from being about cows to illegal weapons? Why didn’t the farmer return the cows immediately? Need more data.


17 posted on 08/04/2012 11:26:49 AM PDT by virgil
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So what is the difference between a drone and a helicopter? If we allow a helicopter to fly over a citizen’s property and report back the information that they see .... how is a drone any different?

The fight over the 4th was lost a long time ago when citizens allowed LEO to conduct surveillance of their property without a warrant.


18 posted on 08/04/2012 11:42:48 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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This is not about the Patriot Act. All that act did was take the SAME laws that have been used to fight organized crime for over 40 years, and allowed them to be used on terrorists. There are safe guards, and congressional monitoring.


19 posted on 08/04/2012 11:45:41 AM PDT by Exton1
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To: captmar-vell

The Raptor is truly death from the sky. I have watched men fly the Predator when it was first used over Serbia. The people of the screen never saw it watching. I have watched the armed Predator and later the Raptor kill people. I never saw one person get away from a hell fire missile.


20 posted on 08/04/2012 12:02:07 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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