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Debt, Depression, DeMarco (Krugman hurl alert)
NYTimes ^ | 8-2-12 | PAUL KRUGMAN

Posted on 08/06/2012 9:27:04 AM PDT by TurboZamboni

There has been plenty to criticize about President Obama’s handling of the economy. Yet the overriding story of the past few years is not Mr. Obama’s mistakes but the scorched-earth opposition of Republicans, who have done everything they can to get in his way — and who now, having blocked the president’s policies, hope to win the White House by claiming that his policies have failed.

Many economists believe that the overhang of excess household debt, a legacy of the bubble years, is the biggest factor holding back economic recovery. Loosely speaking, excess debt has created a situation in which everyone is trying to spend less than their income. Since this is collectively impossible — my spending is your income, and your spending is my income — the result is a persistently depressed economy.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: barf; broke; debt; krugman; obamanomics; recovery; spending
Poor little Pauly. nobody wuvs him:

Regulator rejects plan from White House to forgive mortgage debt

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2912973/posts

1 posted on 08/06/2012 9:27:10 AM PDT by TurboZamboni
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To: TurboZamboni

I seriously question how this libtardidiot won a Nobel Prize....seriously! =.=


2 posted on 08/06/2012 9:33:26 AM PDT by cranked
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To: TurboZamboni

Paul, Zero tried spending our way out of recession, just as you suggested.


3 posted on 08/06/2012 9:33:26 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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RE :”Many economists believe that the overhang of excess household debt, a legacy of the bubble years, is the biggest factor holding back economic recovery. Loosely speaking, excess debt has created a situation in which everyone is trying to spend less than their income. Since this is collectively impossible — my spending is your income, and your spending is my income — the result is a persistently depressed economy.

Yes, no wonder Kugman won that liberal economic prize.

If the family breadwinners lose their jobs it's time go go on a spending spree and use the CC checks (for a 5% fixed fee) to pay the minimum CC interest payments .
And take out new CCs where the interest rate is zero the first year and jumps 20% after that and run those up too.

As Krug points out : All that matters is now. Stimulus, cry.

Didnt Obama win a similar award for peace in the middle East?

4 posted on 08/06/2012 9:37:05 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: TurboZamboni

Real wealth is what is left over when the bills are all paid, so Paul figures we can get there by not paying the bills. That might be better than paying banks to make more debt, while saving their corrupt arses, but none of it is as good as letting consequences do their job. Everyone has had a wild ride, a thrill per second, but now it’s time to get off, and stagger around until we get some balance back.


5 posted on 08/06/2012 9:42:07 AM PDT by pallis
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To: sickoflibs

—As Krug points out : All that matters is now. Stimulus, cry.—

It’s why, in the mid to long run, PM’s are a no brainer.


6 posted on 08/06/2012 9:44:43 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: sickoflibs
excess debt has created a situation in which everyone is trying to spend less than their income. Since this is collectively impossible — my spending is your income, and your spending is my income — the result is a persistently depressed economy.”

Yeah, cultures that encourage saving over spending collapse every time. Just like China's consistent double-digit growth for the past 20 years. Just like America during the post-war boom.

Arguing with Krugman is so boring. He never gets anything right, and the holes are so huge that one never has any idea how he gets published in the first place.

7 posted on 08/06/2012 9:47:54 AM PDT by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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and who now, having blocked the president’s policies

If only this were true!

8 posted on 08/06/2012 9:49:58 AM PDT by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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9 posted on 08/06/2012 9:52:46 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: cranked

Paul Krugman got the Nobel Prize in economics for figuring out that, historically, industrialized capitalist countries trade heavy manufacturing goods and technology primarily with each other, rather than with economically underdeveloped countries.

What that has to do with deficit spending, I don’t know.


10 posted on 08/06/2012 9:56:36 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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excess debt has created a situation in which everyone is trying to spend less than their income.

wow...simply genius...

more like excess debt, above and beyond what any sane or rational person would accept in terms of *debt* [house, reliable transportation etc] has been promoted as the norm, and everyone sold a bill of goods that the 'FRee' stuff would continue to be crapped out of the unicorns azz indefinately...

evidently, weve come full circle to the necessity of running debt in our housholds, as the interest payments to the banks seem to be the stimulus needed today...i guess this means we can cut the welfare rolls, and issue CCs instead ???

11 posted on 08/06/2012 10:01:44 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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This article is so full of garbage it is hard to know where to start. First, FN and FH insure 90% of new residential mortgages. They paticipate in HARP, which allows underwater, but current, homeowners to refinance, and HAMP which allows delinquent homeowners to have their mortgage payements reduced. FN and FH have lost $200 billion dollars. That is equal $2,000 for every single family in the country. So you and I already paid $2,000 each to bail out borrowers who bit off more real estate than they could chew. Second, all DeMarco said was that he did not support forgiving the principal on FNMA/FHLMC mortgages because IT WOULD ENCOURAGE HOMEOWNERS WHO WERE MAKING THEIR PAYMENTS ON TIME TO STRATEGICALLY DEFAULT in order to obtain a principal reduction (meaning a gift from you and me). Instead FN/FH use forbearance, where a portion of principal is deferred, without interest, and made payable at the maturity date of the loan. Paul Krugman is truly the biggest ignoramus writing in any major news organization. He didn’t even read DeMarco’s statement to Congress.


12 posted on 08/06/2012 10:18:58 AM PDT by brookwood (.)
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To: sickoflibs

Krug’s basic lie is equating one person’s spending with another’s income. That is patently false, because it totally ignores productivity; he is only looking at money and not the goods and services that are exchanged for the money. It is very much possible for everyone to not spend all their income, much in the same way some people borrow and are capable of spending more than their income. What everyone is saving is the surplus of their productivity, which (hopefully) is more than what you need to live, and this translates into wealth. Otherwise, we would outlaw all retirement programs and 401K’s because that would be income not spent and a major cause of poverty.

Krugman knows he is putting out a bald-face lie. No economist can be that incompetent. What worries me is that economic education is so poor in America that most of the ignorant slobs that still read NYT will believe him.


13 posted on 08/06/2012 10:22:42 AM PDT by Seraphicaviary (St. Michael is gearing up. The angels are on the ready line.)
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To: TurboZamboni
Here Pauly, Pauly, Pauly, Pauly


14 posted on 08/06/2012 10:23:09 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Congrats to Ted Kennedy! He's been sober for two years now!!)
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I actually have that hanging by my desk at work.


15 posted on 08/06/2012 12:45:55 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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RE :”Krugman knows he is putting out a bald-face lie. No economist can be that incompetent. What worries me is that economic education is so poor in America that most of the ignorant slobs that still read NYT will believe him.

Correct, I have posted many times that Krugman is just another ‘progressive/economic justice Marxist’ who the lib establishment dresses up as an expert economist to validate their theories.

When GWB was POTUS Krug said that his deficits will destroy the US, now he says they are too small and larger ones will save the country.

16 posted on 08/06/2012 12:54:37 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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