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Louisiana teachers union threatens to sue private schools over voucher program
FoxNews ^ | 8/6/2012 | Unknown

Posted on 08/06/2012 5:08:12 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants

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To: Jake8898
Personally, I think the U.S. will soon be punished by God for its sins. Christians will be under special condemnation. Why?

1) Abortion: Millions turn out to buy a chicken sandwich, but the nearest abortion center is likely to have only 3 or 4 protesters on any given day. If Christians **really really really** wanted to end abortion they would.

2) If Christians wanted an end to the godless socialist-entitlement government K-12 schools they would immediately remove their children. In many counties that would instantly collapse the entire godless system. And...They would elect legislators who would complete defund the entire godless system of government schooling.

I fear for this nation. I doubt God will save us ( especially Christians who do **know** better).

61 posted on 08/06/2012 9:03:51 PM PDT by wintertime (:-))
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To: Rubble Rouser

“We have the ability to carefully screen which families are invited to participate - character matters.”

The La. voucher system does not allow for this. You get what you get.


62 posted on 08/06/2012 9:04:32 PM PDT by Jake8898
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The Archdiocese of New Orleans has access to more and better lawyers than any state teacher union. And there’s a wealth of outside talent if the union goes to the parent union.


63 posted on 08/06/2012 9:09:59 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: wintertime

“Government owned and run socialist-entitlement schooling **IS IS IS ** redistribution disguised under the euphemism of “public school”.”

I understand that. It’s is far too expensive and unions are GUILTY. But, why spread, for lack of a better term, the virus. Why taint private schools with govt money followed eventually by govt demands. Why ruin the millieu of a private school with kids who don’t care about their education and are already engaged in criminal or near criminal behavior as a juvenile.

Whether i’s believable or not there is a difference to me when it comes to govt handouts for a public education vs a govt handout for a private education. It’s maybe similar to food stamps for ground meat vs filet. I’m paying out the nose $8,200/year for education, millieu and peer group and now these kids show up for free. Why the hell do I bother?


64 posted on 08/06/2012 9:13:22 PM PDT by Jake8898
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To: Jake8898
But, here comes RINO Bobby giving $8,500 to any low income student in a C graded or worse school to sit next to my child with nothing out of their parents pocket. Does anyone really think that this is going to motivate the parents to care about their kid’s education? Is something that’s given free of charge ever truly appreciated? Meanwhile the environment in my child’s school begins to resemble that of a public school.

Taste that govt cheese and SNAP!!! Diversity training, American atrocity day, homosexual appreciation day, and cross-dress day, among other less obvious progressive shaping all potentially become a requirement to receive the now depended upon cash.

The concern is legit, but it doesn't have to happen that way. A lot will depend upon the composition of the Louisiana State Supreme Court. You might even need a constitutional amendment or two.

65 posted on 08/06/2012 9:25:15 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: Jake8898

Yup, I caught that. All that means is you start from a different position.

The larger point, though, is if you can act together as a school community and with your board, you may be able to come up with a structure that works for you. The size of the school may largely determine if this is possible. Ours is about 500 families.


66 posted on 08/06/2012 9:35:34 PM PDT by Rubble Rouser (small government = good government)
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To: Jake8898
It’s not going back to tax payers. The $8,500 is going to the people who pay no taxes yet consume most of the govt services. This is redistribution dressed up.

Sounds like Section 8 housing. The notion behind Section 8 was to get welfare families into stable middle-class neighbourhoods to assimilate them to middle-class norms. The hope was that living in a middle-class environ would encourage those welfare families to straighten up a bit and loose their self-defeating 'Hood habits.

Didn't work out that well...

67 posted on 08/06/2012 10:23:53 PM PDT by danielmryan
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To: Blood of Tyrants
...and the threat has already forced at least one school to put its participation in the program on hold.

Cowards.

68 posted on 08/06/2012 10:26:14 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Jake8898

You make excellent points. At first blush this program sounds like a step in the right direction. If the state is going to guarantee and education then the parents should be able to ensure they get a good one. But if this program is not available to everyone it is a screw job. It inflates the cost of education. Everyone should get a voucher. Schools can charge $5000 more than the voucher if they want to.


69 posted on 08/06/2012 11:32:30 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: danielmryan

I’ve actually likened it to Section 8’ing private schools on a message board in the recent past. Thanks for the reminder, it’s a perfect description.


70 posted on 08/07/2012 4:58:50 AM PDT by Jake8898
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To: Balding_Eagle

Your is correct. Your child and your taxes are things that belong to you.


71 posted on 08/07/2012 5:13:44 AM PDT by Darth Reardon (No offense to drunken sailors)
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To: kalee

IIRC, Kaleefornia ranks dead last - is this correct?


72 posted on 08/07/2012 5:17:29 AM PDT by newfreep (Breitbart sent me...)
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To: Darth Reardon

“You’re” refers to the use of the word in post 15.


73 posted on 08/07/2012 5:40:10 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: Balding_Eagle

My bad. I noticed the “right off” thing and just assumed you were referring to that post.


74 posted on 08/07/2012 6:10:44 AM PDT by Darth Reardon (No offense to drunken sailors)
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To: Jake8898
Socialism is unfair to the producers and rewards the moochers ( as Ayn Rand pointed out). Getting out of any socialist system is painful.

The **best** way to end all government school welfare, ( remember government schooling is welfare) is for Christians to remove their children, for churches to set up their own schools, for Christians to set up homeschool cooperatives, and to burry the legislators with protest. In my county, if every Christian removed their child the system here would utterly collapse.

That is why I think when punishment comes to the U.S. God will be especially annoyed with Christians. We should, and many do, KNOW better.

By the way,...SHAME on the Christian ministers who are to afraid to offend the government school workers in their congregations. Also....I wonder how many ministers have spouses working in the government schools? Lots is my bet!

75 posted on 08/07/2012 6:39:40 AM PDT by wintertime (:-))
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To: andyk
Article I, Sectionn 8, right after the subsection where the fedguv is authorized to spend money on education. Duh.

I still don't see anything The Constitution about unions...do you? Duh

FMCDH(BITS)

76 posted on 08/07/2012 6:44:14 AM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"To actually intimidate, it borders on thuggery.”

Left wing fascism.

Political correctness was designed to silence and intimidate people from speaking out against left wing special interest groups and their agendas. (NOTICE - PC does not protect any right wing groups).

People are figuring out they've been had by the lefts faux "compassion, tolerance, and diversity", because the left - obviously - has none of these things. In fact, they're showing themselves to be just the opposite more and more every day.

There's an enlightenment going on in this country, and the left isn't happy about it. Their Tower of Babble is collapsing right in front of their eyes.

77 posted on 08/07/2012 7:49:35 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: wintertime
Conclusion: If vouchers, tax credits, and charters can be used to make the transition to complete separation of school and state, then I support them. If they are a means to make private school defacto government schooling, then I don't.

I agree. Send the voucher to the parent, and end it there. That way, there's a "middle man", and the government can't tell people what schools are "appropriate" or not "appropriate", and schools can teach their conscience without government dictation.
Democrats would send their kids to indoctrination centers because of their left wing beliefs, and Republicans will send their kids to schools that teach academics to fit their beliefs.
In the end, the democrats won't be able to stain the children from other families, and the other kids could finally get a decent education.

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78 posted on 08/07/2012 8:09:33 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Jake8898

Solution:

a)Move cash-paying students to the top of the list
b)Allow tax write off for these parents
c)The private school should say they set the standards, and no strings attached, of they won’t accept.

Just my $.02


79 posted on 08/07/2012 8:27:42 AM PDT by jimjohn
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To: nothingnew

No, LOL. Unfortunately, leftists aren’t concerned about the constitution. If they can’t rely on the general welfare clause, the necessary and proper clause, or any of the other penumbras, well then they can always rely on John Roberts, that ultra conservative that Senate Demos opposed.


80 posted on 08/07/2012 10:20:06 AM PDT by andyk (Go Juan Pablo!)
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