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Loughner pleads guilty to Ariz. shooting
Associated Press ^ | August. 7, 2012 | ELLIOT SPAGAT and BOB CHRISTIE

Posted on 08/07/2012 12:48:06 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

TUCSON, Ariz. (AP) -- Jared Lee Loughner pleaded guilty Tuesday to going on a shooting rampage at a political gathering, killing six people and wounding his intended target, then-Congresswoman Gabriele Giffords, and 12 others.

Loughner's plea spares him the death penalty and came soon after a federal judge found that months of forcibly medicating him to treat his schizophrenia had made the 23-year-old college dropout competent to understand the gravity of the charges and assist in his defense.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: deathpenalty; giffords; loughner; massshooting; mentalillness; mvps; schizophrenia; tucson
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To: discostu

I think we NEED a concept of “Manifest Guilt”.

If somebody pulls out a gun and blows away a number of people in fornt of a pack of witnesses, trying him is a waste of time and tax payer money.

Its also a travesty of justice to the bereaved relations of the dead.

Hang him.


21 posted on 08/07/2012 2:07:02 PM PDT by ZULU (See: http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=D9vQt6IXXaM&hd)
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To: Darteaus94025

You’ve got two problems with that one:
The first I’ve pointed out to you multiple times and you keep ignoring.

The second is he got tackled and disarmed by unarmed civilians, never confronted by police or anybody with drawn guns.


22 posted on 08/07/2012 2:07:02 PM PDT by discostu (Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.)
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To: ZULU

And thankfully what you think in this case doesn’t matter. We’ve got enough problems with wrongful convictions in this country with adding a bad excuse for kangaroo courts.

Keeping YOU from going to jail on trumped up and unproven charges is not a waste of tax payer money. And that’s exactly what flushing a stupid idea like manifest guilt is doing.


23 posted on 08/07/2012 2:09:24 PM PDT by discostu (Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.)
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To: fatnotlazy

I suspect it is the costs of lawyers for the layer upon layer of appeals that typically goes on for 8 to 20 yrs.

I looked it up and the last death sentence that was actually carried out in Colo was 1976.


24 posted on 08/07/2012 2:10:01 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: discostu

I ignore your point because you have not addressed my initial point: when confronted with the choice of death or continuing to kill, these perps stop. Thus, the penalty of death deters crime.

CAUSE: The immediate threat of death.
EFFECT: Perp stops.

Have a nice day!


25 posted on 08/07/2012 2:19:45 PM PDT by Darteaus94025
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To: ZULU
WHY do we need a triall to determine guilt in cases of MANIFEST guilt like this? WHY is taxpayer money being wasted on this garbage?

Because this is the United States of America, a free constitutional republic, not some goddam turd-world craphole or communist kakistocracy.

Dunno 'bout you, but I'm honor-bound to keep it that way, against all enemies foreign and domestic.

26 posted on 08/07/2012 2:26:04 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Darteaus94025

No I HAVE addressed your point. What you’re ignoring is there’s a big difference between death and the death penalty. Death is now, death now is a deterrent. The death penalty is maybe death 20 years from now, a time frame most criminals don’t expect to live long enough to see anyway, not a deterrent.

Heck you even almost admitted it. Notice your cause is “immediate threat of death”, there ain’t nothing even remotely immediate about the death penalty.


27 posted on 08/07/2012 2:33:20 PM PDT by discostu (Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.)
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To: treetopsandroofs

Loughner may yet be able to travel to visit his family/friends. You may see permission similar to Hinckley’s given to Loughner in a couple of decades.


28 posted on 08/07/2012 2:45:08 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I just know I’m gonna get flamed for this one ... but I gotta ask anyway. (So please excuse the dumb question.)

If you have to forcibly medicate someone for months to make him understand the charges against him, how can he not be considered insane at the time of the incident?


29 posted on 08/07/2012 2:46:46 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
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To: BuckeyeTexan

AZ doesn’t have insanity as a form of innocence, we have it as a type of guilt (”guilty but insane”) so it’s a moot point. He’s going to spend a lot of time incarcerated, and there will be intensive psychiatric care during that time whether or not the word “insane” is tied to his guilt.


30 posted on 08/07/2012 2:50:20 PM PDT by discostu (Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.)
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To: discostu

Ah ha. Now I understand. Thank you.


31 posted on 08/07/2012 2:55:55 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
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To: Darteaus94025

One thing I HATE about liberals is how they say prison is worse than the death penalty. Well BS. They always fight the DP to the end. Sometimes they’re suicidal before going in, but these people lead relatively cushy lives and they fight endlessly for years to avoid death.


32 posted on 08/07/2012 3:34:31 PM PDT by Monty22002
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To: Darteaus94025

Wait, him taking a deal is now a benefit of the death penalty?

That doesn’t make sense. Generally it is in the interest of society for crimes to go to trial and a full version of events come out in court. In this case, there was no real doubt about the guilt, but still.


33 posted on 08/07/2012 3:56:08 PM PDT by MetaThought
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