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Claim: ‘Absolute proof’ Obama was Indonesian citizen
WND ^ | AUGUST 8, 2012 | Jerome R. Corsi

Posted on 08/08/2012 7:10:22 AM PDT by RobinMasters

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To: faucetman
“Parents cannot renounce United States citizenship on behalf of their children. Before an oath of renunciation will be administered under Section 349(a)(5), persons under the age of eighteen must convince a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer that they fully understand the nature and consequences of the oath of renunciation and are voluntarily seeking to renounce their citizenship. United States common law establishes an arbitrary limit of age FOURTEEN under which a child’s understanding must be established by substantial evidence.”

“....Americans cannot effectively renounce their citizenship by mail, through an agent, or WHILE IN THE UNITED STATES....”

He returned to the U.S. at age 10.


Was that in effect at the time he went to Indonesia? The note on the relevant statute says the following about a 1986 amendment to it:
Subsec. 1986—Subsec. (a). Pub. L. 99–653, § 18(a), as amended by Pub. L. 100–525, § 8(m)(1), inserted “voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality” after “his nationality by”.
(a)(1). Pub. L. 99–653, § 18(b), substituted “or upon an application filed by a duly authorized agent, after having attained the age of eighteen years” for “upon an application filed in his behalf by a parent, guardian, or duly authorized agent, or through the naturalization of a parent having legal custody of such person: Provided That nationality shall not be lost by any person under this section as the result of the naturalization of a parent or parents while such person is under the age of twenty-one years, or as the result of a naturalization obtained on behalf of a person under twenty-one years of age by a parent, guardian, or duly authorized agent, unless such person shall fail to enter the United States to establish a permanent residence prior to his twenty-fifth birthday: And provided further, That a person who shall have lost nationality prior to January 1, 1948, through the naturalization in a foreign state of a parent or parents, may, within one year from the effective date of this chapter, apply for a visa and for admission to the United States as a special immigrant under the provisions of section 1101 (a)(27)(E) of this title”. 8 USC § 1481 - Loss of nationality by native-born or naturalized citizen; voluntary action; burden of proof; presumptions
If everything happened prior to 1986, then his citizenship could have changed with that of his custodial parent when she gave up U.S. citizenship to marry Lolo Soetoro, since Indonesian law forbade the marrying of a foreign citizen, forbade dual citizenships, and forbade the adoption of a non-citizen. Given that Barry's school papers indicate that he was adopted, he would have been exclusively an Indonesian citizen at the time for that to have happened. Then, if he later reacquired U.S. citizenship, it would have been a naturalized citizenship, making him ineligible for POTUS regardless of the circumstances of his birth if he had been born in the United States.
41 posted on 08/08/2012 11:59:51 AM PDT by aruanan
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Barry returned to Indonesia to visit his family.

Zero himself stated that he was in Indonesia in the summer of 1981 immediately prior to traveling to Pakistan.

We don’t know how many other times he traveled to visit his mother and sister in Indonesia.

Making a formal renunciation before a US consular officer is not the only way a person can lose his US citizenship.

There are a number of other ways under the statute to lose US citizenship. Making allegiance to a foreign country, applying on one’s own initiative for naturalization in a foreign state or fighting in the ranks of a hostile foreign army are all actions that automatically cause loss of US citizenship.

If Obama had an Indonesian passport when a child, and periodically renewed it such as during his 1981 trip to Indonesia, then he likely lost his US citizenship by taking such an action as an adult.

This is because Indonesia strictly insisted that no US citizen or citizen of any other country was entitled to hold an Indonesian passport. Obama therefore would have had to deny his allegiance to the US in order to periodically renew or obtain a new passport from Indonesia.

That would have automatically lost him US citizenship, even if no one in the US embassy or elsewhere in the State Department knew about it at the time.


42 posted on 08/08/2012 2:22:25 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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