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EDITORIAL: The Civil War of 2016: U.S. military officers are told to plan to fight Americans
The Washington Times ^ | August 8, 2012 | Editorial

Posted on 08/08/2012 4:50:24 PM PDT by EveningStar

Imagine Tea Party extremists seizing control of a South Carolina town and the Army being sent in to crush the rebellion. This farcical vision is now part of the discussion in professional military circles.

At issue is an article in the respected Small Wars Journal titled “Full Spectrum Operations in the Homeland: A ‘Vision’ of the Future.”

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: 2016; army; banglist; civilwar; cwii; cwiiping; teaparty
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To: Hokestuk

Thanks Hoke. Sorry for the bum link.


161 posted on 08/08/2012 7:09:52 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: mo

And that is why Obummer played Abe Lincoln on the way to the white house. I have thought since then that he will be the P when it happens. But Romney might be the one who issues war against the population orders


162 posted on 08/08/2012 7:11:55 PM PDT by winodog
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To: cripplecreek
In case you haven’t noticed, the GOP is nearly as nasty toward the tea party as the democrats. We threaten their power even more than we do the democrats.

I think the brand name of "Republican" has been tarnished. It's country club, not Joe the Plumber. Come 2014 or 2016 or whenever, I don't want to go 3rd party. We need to start finding out whether starting in some local areas the Repub party can be folded away and replaced with the TParty, and whether on a national level we can do the same thing. Then the country club GOP brand would be done with.

163 posted on 08/08/2012 7:13:36 PM PDT by Hokestuk
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To: Travis McGee

“Takes a long time to load....”

Loads great. Ya just need faster Gerbils.


164 posted on 08/08/2012 7:13:36 PM PDT by CodeToad (History says our end is near.)
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To: EveningStar

165 posted on 08/08/2012 7:14:04 PM PDT by Prospero
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To: EveningStar

166 posted on 08/08/2012 7:15:23 PM PDT by Prospero
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To: bmwcyle

You Must NOT say The Name. No matter how interesting the article. No matter how relevant to current events. Never, ever, ever speak The Name.

Is he a bit of a smuck? Yes.

But last I checked WND articles are accepted, and they can be suffer the credibility test as well.


167 posted on 08/08/2012 7:15:44 PM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: CodeToad

Gerbils are way to fast for me. Can’t catch the little buggers.


168 posted on 08/08/2012 7:15:51 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: sagar

I refer you to Afghanistan and Iraq.

The military would have a SOB of a time “crushing” any domestic uprising. The IRA never numbered more than several hundred. The Brits controlled the whole of northern Ireland with a very professional army. They had the insurgency basically confined to an island where they controlled all approaches. The British fought on for decades, and finally had to negotiate a peace.

1) First, a domestic uprising would only happen after extreme provocation, so people nationwide would already be on edge. The uprising would never happen unless something happened to convince people that all political remedies were futile, and the government would likely start the rebellion with some overt act that went “too far”.

2) a crushing response only spreads the movement.

3) Fighting in Iraq is one thing, doing it on you own logistical tail is quite another.

4) No insurgency would face them force on force. It would be another of those fights seen all around the world involving IEDs, blackmail, ambush, deceit, and military leaders would find their families targeted for kidnap, murder, etc. This recently happened when a Mexican Marine was killed fighting Cartels. They gave him a funeral with honors. Later that night, his mother, sister, and several others were all murdered.
History shows that political leaders who ordered and supported a US military attack on American citizens would also be personal endangered, bribed, blackmailed, and neutralized.
Imagine for example, a drone operator shot dead as he stopped for gas on his way home in Nevada, a thousand miles from the war zone. No military would be safe, anywhere. The crackdown would have to be nationwide, and wouldn’t stay local. The heavy handed actions necessary would anger people who were not involved to begin with. Resentment towards the government grows.

5) Our military uses the USA as a home base. Their bases, supply depots, maintenence activites, factories, air bases etcc are extremely vulnerable and scattered.

6) The Military would have to be extremely concerned about their troops loyalty. Often they will be sypathetic to the uprising. A classic example is found in Russia. When the tanks rolled into Moscow in 1991. They were supposed to crush the pro-Yeltsin crowd. In about a half hour they were hugging the crowd, sharing tea and bread, and started shelling the Russian government building on BEHALF of the crowd.

7) Our military is amazing when used against a foreign enemy. But if it was turned against the American people, here in America, you would quickly see it swallowed up into a nationwide chasm of national disorder. Our military just spent 10 years in Iraq which is about the size of Texas. It was bled white, and most units did 3, 4, or 5 tours.

8) In recent wars, the military could always rest and refit here. They knew their families were safe at home. They knew that in general the nation was behind them. Its a very different animal when none of that is true.

9) The chaos causes extreme business disruptions in our close coupled, just in time economy. This adds pressure to quickly negotiate. Politicians are under unbelievable pressure. The opposition party is seen as an alternative to the one that sparked the insurgency.

There won’t be a Gettysburg in modern insurgency. There will be a nasty insurgency, with a political component that would be as important as the killing wing.

This experience is best left to the imagination.


169 posted on 08/08/2012 7:17:19 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: null and void

Good thing too! I was getting ready to threaten to report you to the mods!


170 posted on 08/08/2012 7:18:36 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Travis McGee
"There are at least 20X the number of veterans still of useful age with appropriate knowledge and experience, than there are on active duty plus LEOs and FLEAs."

A few of us old farts know what "Hoka Hey" means. Personally I'm no Phil Carson, but I don't want to live on my knees.

171 posted on 08/08/2012 7:19:22 PM PDT by VR-21
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To: Travis McGee
ROFL!


172 posted on 08/08/2012 7:21:53 PM PDT by CodeToad (History says our end is near.)
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To: Travis McGee
Ever seen a civil war in a nation where over 50% of the population own firearms, and 10% own scoped deer rifles capable of hitting a soldier on guard or checkpoint duty at 400+ yards?

Travis, that's an idea for a movie, and one with an uplifting conservative message, not the normal leftist Hollywood cr@p.

173 posted on 08/08/2012 7:22:10 PM PDT by Hokestuk
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To: DesertRhino

Good list. Add one more thing: The US military is funded by the promise of US taxpayers. If the US taxpayers stop paying into the fed the military ceases to receive funding and the little credit extended by foreign nations might be zero if they feel the fed won’t win.


174 posted on 08/08/2012 7:24:17 PM PDT by CodeToad (History says our end is near.)
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To: Travis McGee
"the Constitution allows the president broad leeway in times of insurrection."

I wonder if Obama will execute a pre-emptive strike? Can't be too cautious when it comes to the safety of the nation in the face of domestic terrorism.


175 posted on 08/08/2012 7:27:18 PM PDT by garjog
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To: ChildOfThe60s

In Chile those resisting Allende caused havoc by very simple means, for example dumping tacks and nails on the roads leading into and out of the cities.


176 posted on 08/08/2012 7:30:59 PM PDT by wintertime (:-))
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To: Hokestuk

I totally agree. The eGOP took it away and we need to take it back.


177 posted on 08/08/2012 7:31:28 PM PDT by CodeToad (History says our end is near.)
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To: Lurker
Who do you think runs these little think tanks?

Actually, I don't need to do much thinking about this, I actually do know most of the folks running these "little think tanks". I'm guessing that you don't, but I promise not to take advantage

I also know some of the real wackos running offices in the White House, DHS, and DoD (civilian, political appointees). These guys should scare your socks off, that's been my reaction. Your concerns are real, you just need to identify the real threat.

178 posted on 08/08/2012 7:32:34 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: arthurus

“Why troops? they can use drones to selectively kill whomever they want or to blast the whole town.”

And noooobody knows who the drone drivers are, where they are based, where the drones are built and repaired, where the CEO and officers of that company live, etc etc.
It wouldn’t be as one sided as anyone thinks. Seems our military would do well to speak to someone who can tell the stories of the IRA, the Cartels, red brigades in italy, baeder-meinhoff, etc.

Its dangerously flawed thinking to think a few drone shots can take care of a rebellion.


179 posted on 08/08/2012 7:33:17 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: centurion316

Can you expand on that?

I would like to hear more


180 posted on 08/08/2012 7:34:13 PM PDT by Steve Newton (And the Wolves will learn what we have shown before-We love our sheep we dogs of war. Vaughn)
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