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Doctors target gun violence as a social disease
San Antonio-Express News ^ | August 12, 2012 | MARILYNN MARCHIONE

Posted on 08/12/2012 3:55:54 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Is a gun like a virus, a car, tobacco or alcohol? Yes say public health experts, who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.

What we need, they say, is a public health approach to the problem, like the highway safety measures, product changes and driving laws that slashed deaths from car crashes decades ago, even as the number of vehicles on the road rose.

.............Dr. David Satcher tried to make gun violence a public health issue when he became CDC director in 1993. Four years later, laws that allow the carrying of concealed weapons drew attention when two women were shot at an Indianapolis restaurant after a patron's gun fell out of his pocket and accidentally fired. Ironically, the victims were health educators in town for an American Public Health Association convention.

That same year, Hargarten won a federal grant to establish the nation's first Firearm Injury Center at the Medical College of Wisconsin.

"Unlike almost all other consumer products, there is no national product safety oversight of firearms," he wrote in the Wisconsin Medical Journal.

That's just one aspect of a public health approach. Other elements:.......

......Disease patterns, observing how a problem spreads. Gun ownership — a precursor to gun violence — can spread "much like an infectious disease circulates," said Daniel Webster, a health policy expert and co-director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research in Baltimore.....

(Excerpt) Read more at mysanantonio.com ...


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May 2012: U.S. Surgeon General—Keynote Commencement Speaker, Massachusetts School of Professional Psychology David Satcher, M.D., PhD, is the 16th Surgeon General of the United States who was appointed by President Bill Clinton in 1998-2002 while serving simultaneously as the Assistant Secretary for Health

...... Two overarching themes run through “Mental Health: A Report of the Surgeon General”--- the importance of information, policies and activities that reduce and eventually eliminate the cruel and unfair stigma attached to mental illness; and the importance of a solid research base for every mental health and mental illness intervention.

....."Of his disappointments Satcher speaks of supporting research showing that guns were most dangerous to the people who owned them than they were in terms of protection. “We tried to get Congress to pass gun control legislation, but that was used against me when I was being considered for Surgeon General”, he said."...

Holder in 1995: ‘Really brainwash people’ to be anti-gun ...

1 posted on 08/12/2012 3:56:00 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Hello backdoor gun control.

It’s for your own good, you know.


2 posted on 08/12/2012 3:58:30 AM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: Ronin

Government run “health care” is an open door to control everything we do or consume.


3 posted on 08/12/2012 4:00:26 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

4 posted on 08/12/2012 4:02:17 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
With RomneyCARE/ObamaCARE, "doctors" are agents of the state.

Who cares what a Provider (a state owned-"doctor") says under duress.

"RomneyCare 2.0 With costs rising fast, Massachusetts moves to dictate medical care
Under the plan, all Massachusetts doctors, hospitals and other providers must register
with a new state bureaucracy as a condition of licensure—that is, permission to practice.
They'll be required to track and report their financial performance, price and cost trends,
state-sanctioned quality measures, market share and other metrics."

5 posted on 08/12/2012 4:02:43 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Travis McGee; Squantos; Joe Brower; FreedomPoster; Lion Den Dan

This will open the back door to the same type of unfounded regulations as the EPA has used against the coal industry.


6 posted on 08/12/2012 4:10:53 AM PDT by SLB (23rd Artillery Group, Republic of South Vietnam, Aug 1970 - Aug 1971.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling for a fresh look at gun violence as a social disease.

gun violence?
This is difference from other violence?
How?
Is a human being more violated or more dead if you shoot them, then if you beat a person to death with a baseball bat?
IDIOTS. The problem is PEOPLE not the gun or the bat.....


7 posted on 08/12/2012 4:11:31 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“Unlike almost all other consumer products, there is no national product safety oversight of firearms,” he wrote in the Wisconsin Medical Journal.

And, “all other consumer products” should be treated the same; there should be NO Government sponsored “national product safety oversight” on those, either.
Product safety should be a function of free market dynamics, not government intrusion into the private sector. There is no Constitutional authority for such intrusion.


8 posted on 08/12/2012 4:11:50 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Notice the almost imperceptible, seamless way gun violence and gun ownership are blended to be virtually the same thing. Also missing is any allowance for justifiable gun violence as in self protection.

Unwarranted gun violence may be a social disease; gun ownership and self-protection are not.


9 posted on 08/12/2012 4:17:55 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Legalize Freedom!!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Why can't statism be considered a 'social disease', esp. considering its far more virulent pathology?
10 posted on 08/12/2012 4:24:43 AM PDT by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: Diogenesis

This new law waspassed by Democrat house and senate and signed by a Democrat governor. I don’t like Romney care, but this law was NOT part of it.


11 posted on 08/12/2012 4:26:15 AM PDT by tkas (Conservative mom)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

These are the same “Doctors” who declared Homosexuality was not a disease.

Fug them, and their stupid liberal ideas


12 posted on 08/12/2012 4:34:57 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This is exactly why you should never have to answer a doctor’s question as to whether you have guns or not.


13 posted on 08/12/2012 4:35:48 AM PDT by Brass Lamp
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To: Ronin

“There oughtta be a law” is being replaced by “There oughtta be a disease”...

The new road to totalitariansm without all those pesky constitutional and legislative potholes...

It’s for the CHILRUN, after all...


14 posted on 08/12/2012 4:39:16 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I am targeting government bureaucracies as a socialist disease.
15 posted on 08/12/2012 4:40:17 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If mere ownership of guns caused gun violence, then Wisconsin would have massacres weekley similar to what happened at the Sikh temple. Thousands or hundreds of thousands of Wisconsinites have multiple firearms. My part of the state has a large contingent of hunters and gun owners many of whom have multiple firearms. It has one of the lowest crime rates in the country. And a few murders we’ve had recently were the work of criminal gangs. If you were going choose a person most likely to go on shooting rampage, you might pick someone, like Page, who’d lost his job, his girlfriend, and was a member of a hate group. Target those people...not law-abiding citizens.


16 posted on 08/12/2012 4:44:39 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Brass Lamp
"doctors"

All my doctors and dentists, including my personal physician, were/are hunters i.e. gun owners.

17 posted on 08/12/2012 4:46:32 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Ronin
None of my doctors feel this way, by the way. I feel great emotions this a.m. as I listen to a beautiful spiritual tune, “Behold the Lamb,” while I read this article and others and I sense that war is on the horizon for our great nation if these people cannot be stopped. These bureaucracies and their surrogates in the media and other secular bodies have become so corrupt and so powerful that they view us as lambs just ready for slaughter and we might be called upon to be just that. If you are so inclined you might read a description from the book of Judges (Christian Bible), Chapter 17:1 through 21:25 to get an idea of how wrong human actions have a domino effect throughout a society, which can bring certain disaster down on everyone. My only power is to pray for I might never live to see the end of this but some of you will and, God forbid, your children will. If your mean of protecting yourself from the tyranny they plan are removed through the confiscation of your guns, then, you are sitting ducks. They use the influence of “doctors,” and “mental health” (remember Hitler), to try and bring about their agenda which will promote the serfdom of our people. I am beyond the economic/jobs issue of this election..I see it as a choice between freedom and dictatorship and I firmly believe that if Obama is re-elected, we will head quickly into just that. Paul Ryan will not back down from trying to tell this country what is happening. He is a good choice for Romney but I fear that the tipping point of the “takers” vs the “givers,” has occurred. We shall see.
18 posted on 08/12/2012 4:47:46 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: driftless2

” like Page, who’d lost his job, his girlfriend, and was a member of a hate group. Target those people...not law-abiding citizens. “

Ummmmm...

“Lost job”, “Lost Girlfriend”, “Member of a ‘hate group’” - last I checked, none of these is against any law...

Or does your definition of ‘non-law-abiding’ include ‘lifestyles/life events/life choices you don’t approve of’???


19 posted on 08/12/2012 4:54:43 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Uncle Ike

By making it a disease, it is out of the hands of the legislature and in the hands of bureaucrats who can edit the definitions as required. And they are not banning guns - simply limiting or denying care if you own one. Exercising your right results in a denial of care, but not active round-ups and jail time. It’s a softer kind of fascism.


20 posted on 08/12/2012 4:55:03 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Crazy people don’t need guns to kill,see middle east and people like Jeff the clown.


21 posted on 08/12/2012 4:59:18 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

That’s been in the works for 20 some odd years. As bad as Obama is being a former Joyce Foundation member, nobody holds a candle to the Clinton people when it comes to gun grabbing. Not even close.


22 posted on 08/12/2012 5:03:38 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Holding my nose one more time to get rid of Eric Holder)
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To: Venturer

This is not the perspective of all or even most docs. Like all groups, there are a few loud liberals who think they speak for all in that group.....


23 posted on 08/12/2012 5:05:29 AM PDT by Mom MD (T he country needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask)
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To: PubliusMM; muir_redwoods; All

Who else remembers how Tipper Gore (when VP wife) worked on mental health care issues? Do you recall how she wanted pediatricians given permission to ask their young patients about guns in their homes (as it might be upsetting them and causing mental health problems)?


24 posted on 08/12/2012 5:09:12 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Darren McCarty
....As bad as Obama is being a former Joyce Foundation member, nobody holds a candle to the Clinton people when it comes to gun grabbing. Not even close.

See post #24.

However, the current Democrat administration is gun walking to force more laws.

25 posted on 08/12/2012 5:12:21 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: driftless2

“All my doctors and dentists... are hunters i.e. gun owners”.

My husband and I have been quizzed formally a few times by doctors/hospital personnel reference owning guns. Once when I was in hard labor with my first child and when my husband was getting a pre-physical for a simple surgical procedure. We refused to answer both times... but this question is becoming more common.


26 posted on 08/12/2012 5:13:41 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: momtothree
"refused to answer"

Good for you. It's none of their $%^%^%$ business.

27 posted on 08/12/2012 5:18:48 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: tbw2

“Exercising your right results in a denial of care, but not active round-ups and jail time.”

“...not active roundups...” at this time.

It’s still a step well beyond the bounds of the Constitution. Sadly, I’m getting closer and closer to the belief that we will require another revolution to right this ship.


28 posted on 08/12/2012 5:24:30 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: SLB

Whoo Hoo ....designated parking spaces !! < / sarcasm>

IMHO we will have to fight this trash till the end of time in some form or manner SLB.

Profitable for both sides to keep the issue alive. Not only the polidiots but the presstitute toadies and anti-gun associations that profit versus perform for the socialist liberal idgits that fund their vacations and personal bank accounts.

Sort of like the cure for cancer. Related industry is to big to allow a solution or cure.

I carry, I have life memberships to NRA and the Texas State Rifle association. I vote on election day and with my dollars between such elections.

My personal efforts with time an money this election are on taking the house and senate to hopefully mitigate the damage the executive branch has in store for the destruction of our beloved republic.

Rotate your cache, BLOAT and take time each day to listen, learn and respond to such trash. Every time a polidiot in ANY state goes anti-gun donate to his conservative opponents if you can.

Just my opinion, Stay safe !


29 posted on 08/12/2012 5:24:54 AM PDT by Squantos
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To: Travis McGee
thank God my Doc is a Lt.Colonel in the reserves... he's been to Iraq three times and Afghanistan twice and knows i shoot with his father at the club, both good men
30 posted on 08/12/2012 5:28:08 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Brass Lamp

If your doctor asks if you have guns, just turn the table on him/her.
Ask if his wife or husband is still a prostitute?
That will usually piss them off enough to drop the idiotic questions.
If not, you can ask the good Doc if he/she still has gay sex?
I take no crap from any doctor. They are not god.


31 posted on 08/12/2012 5:28:25 AM PDT by 9422WMR (Life is not fair, just deal with it.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"Unlike almost all other consumer products, there is no national product safety oversight of firearms," he wrote in the Wisconsin Medical Journal.

There is no God-given right to "other consumer products" as there is for firearms and other weapons, is there?

32 posted on 08/12/2012 5:28:37 AM PDT by metesky (Brethren, leave us go amongst them! - Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond, The Searchers)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The "social disease" involved is dysfunctional minority subcultures.

Political correctness prevents any effective efforts so the damned liberals can only conclude that EVERYONE has too much freedom.

33 posted on 08/12/2012 5:32:14 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: 9422WMR
If your doctor asks if you have guns, just turn the table on him/her.

I've yet to be asked, but my intention is to return with "Do you have a medical practitioner in your home?" and then lecture them with latest malpractice statistics.

34 posted on 08/12/2012 5:33:52 AM PDT by Brass Lamp
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To: metesky

According to the article, gun ownership (among other “health issues) is contagious.

“...”There’s sort of a contagion phenomenon” after a shooting, where people feel they need to have a gun for protection or retaliation, he said.”....


35 posted on 08/12/2012 5:34:00 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

OK so lets vote for a 3rd pty candidate so this crap can move forward(sarc)
This is another reason the current regime in its entirety needs to be defeated and a no vote or 3rd party vote will not, JR, help achieve that goal.


36 posted on 08/12/2012 5:34:45 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Discussion about guns in the exam room comes under the definition of a “boundary violation”

http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/2nd_Amend/boundary_violation.htm


37 posted on 08/12/2012 5:38:56 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: t1b8zs

Then feel free to start your own site -

Romney4Us.


38 posted on 08/12/2012 5:45:54 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: JCBreckenridge

I know its early but read the post,does it indicate some where I will not be voting for Mittens,geshhhhhh


39 posted on 08/12/2012 5:55:16 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: Mom MD

Yes, and those are the ones the liberals listen to.


40 posted on 08/12/2012 6:03:54 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: tbw2
By classifying it as a disease, you will be taken in for “treatment” to cure your disease.

In fact this would be just the start.

Whatever leftist ideology you don't conform to will be called a disease and you will be taken in for treatment.

41 posted on 08/12/2012 6:05:01 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I already dealt with a pediatrician asking my kid, privately, if there are guns in the house. I have NO IDEA where that information would have been reported if he said yes, or what the follow-up questions would have been - I suspect it goes into some database, along with the rest of his records.

I remember Florida was trying to outlaw that kind of crap, but even people here defended it as “doctor-patient” privilege. Sickening.


42 posted on 08/12/2012 6:14:59 AM PDT by BobL (Cruz'd to Victory - July 31, 2012)
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To: 9422WMR
If your doctor asks if you have guns, just turn the table on him/her.

My doc asked this once, and I came right back with: "Do you have any malpractice suits still outstanding?"

He immediately got the connection to legitimate activity assumed to be wrongful, assumption of guilt, motive of profit and control on the part of the accuser, and it made it personal to him.

He never asked again, and I (and family) never participated in any of his health research studies again.

43 posted on 08/12/2012 6:20:40 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Golly gee, I can’t imagine why people would feel that way... I guess the overeducated doofus can’t either. ;O)


44 posted on 08/12/2012 6:22:41 AM PDT by metesky (Brethren, leave us go amongst them! - Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond, The Searchers)
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To: driftless2; momtothree

“”refused to answer”
Good for you. It’s none of their $%^%^%$ business.”

While I admire the stand on principle - I suspect that “refusing to answer” is considered a “yes” answer, but it does cut off the follow-up questions (about storage, ammo, kids access, etc.). Even so, that answer does put you in the database, maybe even in the kook database (i.e., anti-government type). [and no, nothing personal intended, I’m just looking at it from the government angle]


45 posted on 08/12/2012 6:23:34 AM PDT by BobL (Cruz'd to Victory - July 31, 2012)
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To: driftless2

“All my doctors and dentists, including my personal physician, were/are hunters i.e. gun owners.”

You’re not the only one. But some of us have to find new doctors - and if we ask, we get lopped into the kook category.


46 posted on 08/12/2012 6:29:02 AM PDT by BobL (Cruz'd to Victory - July 31, 2012)
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To: driftless2

One of my pistols I bought from a guy who was my dentist at the time.


47 posted on 08/12/2012 6:30:52 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: BobL

“... refusing to answer is considered a yes answer”.

You are probably correct. By refusing, you appear “guilty” and “secretive”. My husband did refuse... I didn’t answer correctly. I would go into detail but my response makes women laugh and men cringe. (we’ll leave it at that since I was in hard labor). What is great about this thread is that it prepares freepers to this type of question. Both of us were not prepared at all. Even if your primary physician has never asked, there may come a time when you have to go to another type of doctor (a specialist of sorts) and that is when the question can be posed in writing OR verbally. The knowledge that this question may be presented to one in the future helps planning a good response. IMHO.


48 posted on 08/12/2012 6:35:29 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Interesting they feel the need to go this route. Further proof that a lot of “medicine” of the mind is just quackery.


49 posted on 08/12/2012 6:36:54 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Cincinatus’ Wife.


50 posted on 08/12/2012 6:40:17 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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