NOAA is buying thousands of rounds of hollow point .40 JHP ammo.

Federal Biz Opps Web site ^ | August 10, 2012 | General Services Administration

[John S Mosby]

"The DOC NOAA National Weather Service - Western Acquisition Division, Boulder, requires the following items, Purchase Description Determined by Line Item, to the following: LI 001: 16,000 rounds of ammunition for semiautomatic pistols to be factory-loaded .40 S&W caliber, 180-grain jacketed hollow point (JHP). No reloads may be used with these weapons. All service furnished ammunition for issued firearms will be U.S. factory production. Inside Delivery to locations below:

[03A3]

Hollow point ammo is designed for causing MAXIMUM organ damage-— they expand on entering soft tissue. In other words they blow through people, killing them.... not “restraining” them or “security at their facilities” in ANY other sense.

Which is fine if it's a 135gr bullet coming out of a .40S&W, not so effective as you define with a 180gr. Never understood why they made them in that weight.

[longtermmemmory]

Imagine being a NOAA employee stuck in New Orleans during the lawless post-katrina time with NOAA computers and gear surrounded by looters.

[MrPiper]

Which is fine if it's a 135gr bullet coming out of a .40S&W, not so effective as you define with a 180gr. Never understood why they made them in that weight.

that is the standard .40 round designed for penetration, good 180's will expand at close range. That is also what most factory .40 recoil springs are designed to use.

purpose of the .40 is less recoil than 10mm but more penetration than 9mm. This came about after the famous miami shoot out. (don't bring pistols to a rifle fight)

[John S Mosby]

Please keep in mind... that with Democrats in control of Congress.... with no Budget,ever... have OK'd these purchases in deficit un-funded spending. This is a pattern. To expand this for people who think noticing this is some kind of "irrational looney" posting:

When you go to the fbo sites to see the breakouts of bids being solicitied, you will see that, prior to this time- the Social Security Administration and NOAA have never placed an order for ammunitions This is not been part of their yearly budgets. This is something new. And "rationally reasonable" citizens should question why.

You will also see that there's been more contracts opened for ammo and explosives since Jan. 1, 2012, than in the entire preceding decade, COMBINED.

Who's doing the buying? Beside the expected typical Army/Navy/Airforce/Federal police you might expect. But there are these NEW items

The Department of Agriculture. https//:www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=8bb33b0ca7d8acf88bf764c7b57a7938&tab=core&_cview=0

The Social Security Administration is buying ammo? https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=6c39a2a9f00a10187a1432388a3301e5&tab=core&_cview=0

TSA is buying plastic explosives? RDX explosives (sure that's for training---LOL-- we already have ATF experts who know all about this stuff). https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=841df7511fccae65a083999234e23346&tab=core&_cview=0

More requests for ammo than ever before, and uniquely non enforcement agencies are being armed . Larger quantities than ever before: even as foreign wars wind down and there should be (and is) a surplus of ammunition. For what purpose? Even as our Justice Dept has sent thousands of firearms to Mexico to "prove" US citizens and companies are supplying arms to "terrorists", observationally speaking. And our veterans are categorized by DHS as a category of risk groups for terror!

[John S Mosby]

And then they gave the IRS power to fine citizens who CHOOSE not to pay (or cannot pay for) health insurance, provided privately or by our beknighted government.

The IRS??? But "it's not a tax".... but it is/ not...what?

Last I checked, they are indeed "armed" enforcement, although Harry Reid says that federal income tax is "voluntary".

[Myrddin]

My wife had a Colt Commander with a terrible feed ramp. It handles 230 gr FMJ with that nice, smooth ogive. Tried some JHP rounds. The flat edge of the hollow point opening catches on the flat between the tiny feed ramp and the edge of the chamber opening. Useless. The feed ramps on a Glock chamber have a smooth surface, but don't fully support the case head. They always feed properly, the the case head balloons at the unsupported area next the feed ramp. The brass is unsuitable/unsafe for reloading after use in that variety of Glock barrel.

[jboot]

I've heard of other rednecks that have that figure beat by a factor of ten.

Nobody I know personally, of course. 5.56 will be plentiful enough when the SHTF.

[Myrddin]

The Glock 23C with a Jarvis barrel (fully supported case head) is perfect when feeding 165 gr 40 S&W. The brass is reloadable too.

[Tallguy]

This is just the "set aside" small business bid from www.FedBid.gov-- and only for "qualified small business" (read: minority or disadvantaged-- you can look up the one interested vendor for their description--veteran owned, minority, etc). Who knows how much more they have "ordered" from elsewhere?

They are specifying "factory loaded", which is understandable due to the "Kaboom" failures with the .40 cal Glocks (guessing that's what these are for). Reloads are a primary underlying cause.

So the question is... Does it make any sense to do "Minority Set-Aside" type contracts in this situation? Seem's like a buy-re-sell while the Government gets a higher price.

[John S Mosby]

Dear Sir: You are not very clear on the quantity.. this is a set aside bid. Much larger amounts from elsewhere that are not listed at fbo.

Facts, verifiable bids and unique purchase items are NOT conspiracy based. They are facts,assuming that what is on federal sites is true.

In a representative democratic republic someone should be asking why this is being done. All very "reasonably" of course. We get the elected officials we choose and in the executive branch we have a red diaper doper baby... and there are FACTs to back that up. This "executive" has made executive dictat orders his norm, bypassing congressional and Constitutional oversight and extending his police powers over the citizenry. These agencies being uniquely armed to protect them from... the people who pay for them provably without congressional budgetary approval for the funding... these agencies serve this red "executive"

Very funny screenshot from "A Beautiful Mind" (a FICTIONAL story with this scenario that NEVER happened with the real Professor Nash) brought to you by Hollywood red diaper doper babies from Andy Griffith (little Opie dopie was the producer). Very important to separate fact from fiction and not take cues from red media. This IS happening- so sorry you think it a "theory".

Many apparently are comfortable with venture socialism (RINOs for instance) of any kind, even if it serves opportunistic leftist fascism on the political spectrum. Certainly it is comforting to large govt. contractors staying afloat or the Beltway Bandit parasites who represent them and lobby for them.

However, for regular freedom-loving law abiding conservatives it cannot be "business as usual" or yet another acceptable cultural new normal.

[John S Mosby]

.40 Hollow Point JHP would not be needed to range-qualify. Unless the qualifying requires use of body gelatin targets. Last I checked with fibbie friends... it doesn't . These purchases are stocking up. In the military there is an armorer who would store these properly. The delivery addresses are business offices, inside delivery. To where would they then be distributed?

GunnyG and others with mil service... comments?

[Tallguy]

Don’t think that I’d practice with JHP ammo just to punch holes in paper targets. A little pricey.

[libstripper]

course, lost all of mine in that boating accident :-(

OMG!! ANOTHER HORRIBLE FREEPER NAUTICAL TRAGEDY. At this rate we might end up with as many nautical tragedy victims as perished in the Titanic sinking.

[John S Mosby]

Good point on the 180 grain round. I contend this is not for target practice. And, again the quanities listed are for the “set aside” bid... not the full quantities being ordered the remainder of which are not publicly disclosed. Thanks!

[03A3]

good 180's will expand at close range

Designs like Speer's SB stuff will, but there is no specification in the bid.

[Osage Orange]

You are forgetting...this is the FEDERAL GOBMENT.

[Osage Orange]

See post 36...........

FRegards,

[TexasRepublic]

“Don’t think that I’d practice with JHP ammo just to punch holes in paper targets. A little pricey.”

A little pricey? Since when did cost matter to the goverment? A case in point, Congress has not passed a budget in three years.

[bmwcyle]

The entire Federal Government bought 1,000,000,000 rounds the last two years.

[aomagrat]

Looks like the storm chasers are going to be packing.