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Breaking: Pennsylvania Judge Upholds Voter ID Law
NYT ^ | 8/15/12 | TIMOTHY WILLIAMS

Posted on 08/15/2012 7:58:03 AM PDT by NowApproachingMidnight

A Pennsylvania judge on Wednesday refused to grant an injunction on a new voter identification law that Democrats say could harm President Obama’s re-election chances by unfairly targeting minorities, college students and others in a key swing state.

(Excerpt) Read more at thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Government; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: id; judgesimpson; law; lawsuit; pennsylvania; robertsimpson; ruling; voter; voterfraud; voterid
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To: All; NowApproachingMidnight
Profile of Judge Simpson
61 posted on 08/15/2012 10:23:42 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Election night is 83 days away.)
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To: DAC21

More likely some Federal lefty appeals judge will step in and issue the injunction less than 72 hrs. before voting begins to cause maximum chaos.


62 posted on 08/15/2012 10:24:24 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: NEMDF; All
I am pretty sure that college students HAVE TO HAVE photo IDs

Not all states accept such IDs but PA does. Among the valid IDs accepted under this law are these:

There is NO undo burden.

63 posted on 08/15/2012 10:31:12 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Election night is 83 days away.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

That is what I was thinking. The Democrats will get an injunction in time to get out 110% of the vote in their favorite precincts. But there won’t be enough to time to appeal it...


64 posted on 08/15/2012 10:32:14 AM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Lancey Howard
God help us if this case gets to the Supreme Court...

It's already been there. Indiana's law was upheld, and states are now modeling their laws on Indiana's.

65 posted on 08/15/2012 10:36:24 AM PDT by gogeo (I didn't leave the Republcan Party, it left me.)
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To: TomGuy

You’re gonna laugh. Do you know what a successful appeal on Pennsylvania might be based on?

The Amish. Not a euphemism for “Muslims”, the actual Amish. They refuse to have their pictures taken.


66 posted on 08/15/2012 10:49:55 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Grams A
Not all voter ID laws are created equal so it's possible the TX law is flawed or it could just be a judge with a partisan ax to grind.

Interestingly, this PA judge was a Democrat and appointed by Bob Casey. He switched parties later and runs for re-election as a Republican.

67 posted on 08/15/2012 11:17:03 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Election night is 83 days away.)
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To: Lancey Howard
The nation's founders left it up to the individual states on how electoral votes should be allocated. They didn't specify winner-take-all by statewide popular vote. They didn't even favor that method privately.

In fact, in the early days of our republic, the most popular method of allocation was by decision of state legislatures. Splitting electors was fairly commonplace. You can look it up.

Yes, 80% or more of our fair commonwealth is made up of reasonably decent, honest people. It is the 20% which enthusiastically back criminals and fraudsters time after time which we have to contain.

Voter ID is one tool to help, but electoral vote allocation by congressional district would be far more effective for the reasons mentioned.

68 posted on 08/15/2012 11:46:25 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Lancey Howard
Just for fun, I looked it up here and found out the following:

  1. 1824 was the first time the states selected presidential electors by popular vote, 18 of them chose said method and 6 kept the state legislature method.
  2. 1816 was the first time in which no state split electoral votes (although there were a handful of abstentions).
  3. 1836 was the second time in which no state split electoral votes (no abstentions this time).
  4. 1832 was the election in which Delaware gave up the state legislature selection method and joined every other state except South Carolina in using the popular vote method.
  5. South Carolina hung on to the state legislature allocation method until it was readmitted to the union after the Civil War.
  6. Congressional district allocation method was first introduced by Maine in 1972.
  7. Nebraska joined Maine in using this method in 1992.
  8. Accordingly, the winner-take-all by statewide popular vote method has only been used from 1864-1968, or for 104 years of our republic. Even during that 104 years, we've had multiple incidents of states splitting electoral votes for various reasons.

69 posted on 08/15/2012 12:14:00 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman

Thanks!
I appreciate the information. Interesting history.


70 posted on 08/15/2012 1:01:56 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Buckeye McFrog
You’re gonna laugh. Do you know what a successful appeal on Pennsylvania might be based on? The Amish. Not a euphemism for “Muslims”, the actual Amish. They refuse to have their pictures taken.

That is interesting.. I wonder if there is a corrupt scumbag Amish Democrat somewhere who would act as "plaintiff" in such an appeal? Do the Amish object to giving fingerprints? If the law allowed for fingerprints in lieu of photo, I bet it would pass muster. Of course, THEN listen to the scumbag Democrats jump up and down and holler!

71 posted on 08/15/2012 1:06:23 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: newzjunkey

In Texas you must register to vote in the county in which you live and only those who are trained and certified can personally sign up voters. This made it impossible for organizations like Acorn to come in from another state and sign people up willy nilly. The judge involved was appointed by Obama!

Election this year has been a total disaster from a management, timing and cost standpoint because of the involvement of the Federal government in our redistricting plan, numerous delays, lawsuits, etc. We were beginning to wonder if we were ever going to be able to finish our primaries prior to the general election in November. Made it very difficult on candidates and those physically running the elections.

If candidates don’t get at least 50% of the vote in a primary, there is a runoff. Our last one just ended on July 31 - one of the many contests was the one involving Cruz who was the successful Tea Party candidate for Senator and ran against Dewhurst for Hutchison’s seat.


72 posted on 08/15/2012 1:22:16 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Lancey Howard
You're welcome. One of the things I enjoy about this forum is an abundance of very knowledgeable people who know their stuff and can do actual research.

Of course there are a few pinheads who just throw around insults. I hope I didn't come off as one of these in my initial response to you. And, if I did, I hope the research and facts provided will make appropriate amends for it.

73 posted on 08/15/2012 1:50:59 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
. . . the actual Amish. They refuse to have their pictures taken.

It depends. We have a lot of Amish in our part of Pennsylvania. The modern friendly type have no objection to being photographed. Some even go so far as to encourage it as they consider it part of their business promotion. These types might even have a community telephone outside their living areas. The justification being that they are keeping within the spirit of the order as long as it isn't in their home.

We've had some of these types do work for our company in the past. They are very adept with power tools. I asked one about the apparent conflict once. He just smiled and told me there is nothing wrong with using the tools, just with owning them. Some of these Amish actually are registered to vote and do so. You can tell by the returns of certain Amish dominant precincts in this part of the state and the Maryland panhandle, overwhelmingly GOP as you might suspect.

The old order Amish are, of course, a different breed who conform more closely to the notions of the English (that's us, the non-Amish). They won't have a telephone in the neighborhood and they won't be photographed, at least voluntarily. You will find them more to the north and west of us, especially in Ohio, as opposed to those to the south and east of us. They are also not registered to vote and actively discourage such participation among their membership.

They eschew using the law even more than their more modern-friendly counterparts. In fact, really the only times you see the Amish using the law are in religious freedom cases, most of which have been brought at the urging of a handful of honest conservative and good neighbor lawyers either working pro-bono or nearly so. The typical Amish response to an unjust law is to ignore it. Some of them even go voluntarily to jail rather than submit as they consider it a trial of their faith. Smart judges in Amish country understand this and do everything in their power to dismiss such cases on technicalities or let the offenders off with a slap on the wrist.

So if one of the old order types ever gets manufactured to make such appeal, the appropriate counter would be to produce one of the modern-friendly types to counter such B.S.

74 posted on 08/15/2012 2:18:51 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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