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We Can't Even Shoot On Our Own Property?(OR)
oregonfirearms.org ^ | August, 2012 | Oregon Firearms Federation

Posted on 08/15/2012 12:58:29 PM PDT by marktwain

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Local knowledge from Lincoln county would be appreciated. This is the way that zoning law has been expanded and used to control property owners all over the country.

Zoning has given local authorities power far beyond that ever envisioned in the Constitution.

"No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms [within his own lands]" PROPOSED Virginia CONSTITUTION. FORD ED., ii, 27. (June, 1776.) Thomas Jefferson

1 posted on 08/15/2012 12:58:40 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
Silencers are available for just about any gun.
2 posted on 08/15/2012 1:08:15 PM PDT by bikerman (Obama lied,economy died.)
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um... I am sorry but you just can't plop a gun range on your property without permission.

I am free to cook... but I can't open a restaurant either

This isn't a typical gun issue, this is an issue of a city being able to regulate a business

3 posted on 08/15/2012 1:17:18 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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We Can't Even Shoot On Our Own Property

I can and do (East San Diego County).

Fired off a couple of rounds just last night to break up a coyote orgy in my yard.

4 posted on 08/15/2012 1:25:16 PM PDT by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." Hussein Obama, Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009)
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I am sorry but you just can't plop a gun range on your property without permission. I am free to cook... but I can't open a restaurant either

That's an inaccurate comparison. I have friends with 200 acres in Pennsylvania who have shot trap on their property for decades. They also hold massive barbecues, for which they cook more than many restaurants serve in a day. Lawyers, DAs and at least one judge have attended their bashes.

5 posted on 08/15/2012 1:28:45 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. -- George Bernard Shaw)
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There are few things as blood chilling as a pack of coyotes celebrating a kill especially when they are less than 100 yards away and just down the valley some. Santee Lakes area is nearly overrun IMO.
6 posted on 08/15/2012 1:29:22 PM PDT by chaos_5
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Fired off a couple of rounds just last night to break up a coyote orgy in my yard.

Must be nice to be able to do that. We're getting raccoons fighting nearly every night at 2 or 3 am and you wouldn't believe the racket they can generate. Unfortunately the only backstop I'd have for shooting one is my neighbor's house. Something tells me that's not an acceptable backstop. (And it's illegal to discharge a firearm in city limits anyway outside of a range or self-defense). Oh well.
7 posted on 08/15/2012 1:32:22 PM PDT by verum ago (A good physical therapist is half friend, half sadist.)
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That's the problem of having neighbors...

When I went Galt, the property we acquired is over a mile from our nearest neighbor, and they are pro America folks too.

Nothing finer than cutting holes in targets from the back deck while sipping our morning coffee!

8 posted on 08/15/2012 1:33:55 PM PDT by JDoutrider
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I have a BB/pellet gun that pumps up enough to do the job nicely. The noise is minimal and it is quite accurate.


9 posted on 08/15/2012 1:35:38 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: TexasFreeper2009
I am sorry but you just can't plop a gun range on your property without permission.

Why not? Because some government flunky told you you couldn't?

Freedom. How does it work? :-/

10 posted on 08/15/2012 1:44:14 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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It seems that the purpose of any government body is to (1) survive (2) grow, and (3) expand its powers and jurisdiction. Is there no way of legally bloodying their noses?


11 posted on 08/15/2012 1:49:39 PM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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Sounds like a local issue.
I know lots of people in Oregon who shoot on private land.


12 posted on 08/15/2012 1:53:48 PM PDT by Zathras
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They’ll keep pushing until somebody flips out and cleans out the county municipal office of all the bureaucratic cockroaches who make a living hindering individual liberty.


13 posted on 08/15/2012 1:56:33 PM PDT by B4Ranch (There's Two Choices... Stand Up and Be Counted ... Or Line Up and Be Numbered .)
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So how does this work out for hunters in Oregon? If all places that a firearm is discharged...
14 posted on 08/15/2012 2:11:09 PM PDT by Vercingetorixbc (Veni, Vedi, Butti - I came, I saw, I kicked butt)
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Texas law appears to protect rural landowners from city control:

§ 229.002. Regulation of Discharge of Weapon

A municipality may not apply a regulation relating to the discharge of firearms or other weapons in the extraterritorial jurisdiction of the municipality or in an area annexed by the municipality after September 1, 1981, if the firearm or other weapon is:

(1) a shotgun, air rifle or pistol, BB gun, or bow and arrow discharged:

(A) on a tract of land of 10 acres or more and more than 150 feet from a residence or occupied building located on another property; and

(B) in a manner not reasonably expected to cause a projectile to cross the boundary of the tract; or

(2) a center fire or rim fire rifle or pistol of any caliber discharged:

(A) on a tract of land of Search Term Begin 50 acres Search Term End or more and more than 300 feet from a residence or occupied building located on another property; and

(B) in a manner not reasonably expected to cause a projectile to cross the boundary of the tract.

This is from a Defensivecarry site:

http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/general-firearm-discussion/96810-texas-property-laws.html


15 posted on 08/15/2012 2:17:37 PM PDT by marktwain
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TexasFreeper2009 said: "This isn't a typical gun issue, this is an issue of a city being able to regulate a business"

Do you see any limits whatsoever on a city's power to regulate business?

Why is it that you don't think you should be allowed to run a restaurant without permission from a city? Are you under the mistaken impression that being regulated by a city ensures good health?

I've seen plenty of commercial kitchens from which I wouldn't feed a dog. Tell me what benefit you expect from city regulation of restaurants?

16 posted on 08/15/2012 2:18:59 PM PDT by William Tell
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I'm near Mt. Miguel where there is a lot of open space. I hear coyotes almost every night but last night they were literally right outside my bedroom window. There are lots of rabbits around here so their prey is plentiful. The motion activated lights did not deter them so I fired my 12 gauge twice and they scattered.

The Santee Lakes area, with its close proximity to the open space to the north has a problem also. I have friends there who say they see them often though I don't believe they hear them.

17 posted on 08/15/2012 2:36:53 PM PDT by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." Hussein Obama, Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009)
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I know of one county in CO, where a Republican sheriff wants to outlaw firearms discharges, even on large properties. The very sparsely populated area is heavily regulated (like large municipals) by constituents on all political sides. IMO, most local government interests in the West lean to the left and are politically supported mainly by government employees and pensioners/NIMBYs in rural developments (many of them, second homes for suburbanites). They go on about property values. They maintain high and counterproductive property tax rates.

We’re morally bankrupt. That’s the problem. Many who demand increases from politicians in incomes from debt/revenues want service and exclusivity in their communities (no low classed rednecks). The only solution that I know of is that of a slowdown in economic activities while encouraging continuing big spending by the political/regulator class. When they can no longer afford to be so politically active or to perpetuate regulatory interference against real work by productive residents (small manufacturing, agriculture, etc.), then get productive and rebuild.


18 posted on 08/15/2012 2:42:29 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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Yea, and try to enforce that new law where I live (very rural/forest). My neighbors and I shoot on a regular basis, and on a weekend it is not uncommon to hear many gunshots coming from several different directions.

One of the reasons I love where I live.


19 posted on 08/15/2012 2:46:07 PM PDT by Wildbill22
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um... I am sorry but you just can't plop a gun range on your property without permission. I am free to cook... but I can't open a restaurant either

this is a rural area acording to the article, as for permission, screw that! If I want to open an ice cream parlor or shooting range in BF Texas, why do I need " permission"?

20 posted on 08/15/2012 3:17:25 PM PDT by MrPiper
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