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To: hosepipe; betty boop; YHAOS; TXnMA; MHGinTN
Thank you so much for sharing your testimony, dear hosepipe!

Mine have indeed been similar in that there are no words (music sometimes, no words) - but mine are not often repetitious.

It’s hard to explain in words things that there is/are no words(I know of) to explain it/them.. Just the concept of language becoming obsolete floored me, just blew me away.. What is to replace language is the stuff dreams are made of.. i.e. merging..

Actually, this does not surprise me. Autonomy is also part of the creation and not a property of the Creator of it.

For example, we mere mortals struggle with the concept of the Trinity, because it goes against what we creatures understand. But autonomy is not a restriction to God.

But where autonomy is, then of necessity there will be senders and receivers in communication and a need to encode/decode messages, i.e. language (semiosis.)

Interestingly, qualia are among the reasons artificial intelligence cannot be called "living." Qualia are those things we experience but are unable to convey to anyone else, e.g. love, pain, regret.

However, where there is no autonomy, the merged vision you had, there is no conveyance and the whole is the part and the part is the whole, the sense or experience such as qualia is felt by all, all at once.

Concerning the autonomy issue, I have recently been drawn to meditating on the geometry of space/time - more specifically that, if we were able to sense and act in more than 4 expanded spatial/temporal dimensions then we would be able to reach inside and remove the contents of a closed box, examine a planet in another galaxy without leaving our lab, etc. In effect, we would be able to transport things "faster than the speed of light" simply by changing perspective (like rotating a plane in a tesseract) - or to put it another way, as if bending space/time itself. Even so, whereas geometric forms would be visually though not actually disintegrated depending on perspective, the forms would remain autonomous because of the geometry.

Then again, geometry is part of the creation and not a property of the Creator of it.

God's Name is I AM.

165 posted on 08/23/2012 7:51:17 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

“... if we were able to sense and act in more than 4 expanded spatial/temporal dimensions then we would be able to reach inside and remove the contents of a closed box ...” Or reach into Belshazzar’s palace party central and write on his chamber wall, or stand on a mountain top and cover the eyes of a passing Moses, bring three Hebrew boys into your presence inside a ‘furnace’, to ptotect them from harm, or enter a closed and shuttered room without using a door or window, or appear beside a couple of disciples walking a dusty road, then sit down to dine with them, give a blessing, then exit the scene instantly, or ... well, you get the gist no doubt.


166 posted on 08/23/2012 8:27:21 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop; YHAOS; TXnMA; MHGinTN; people
[ Concerning the autonomy issue, I have recently been drawn to meditating on the geometry of space/time / Then again, geometry is part of the creation and not a property of the Creator of it. ]

Actually that was one of the most wonderful things in the "vision"(mine).. was that shape/form was not needed(geometry).. Still possible but not really needed.. I got the "feeling" it was "juvenile" or sometimes needed to relate to others(whatever they are/will be)... but the "normal" state was of no real shape.. I "saw" plasmoid entities/beings(kinda)..

Language and even Shape not really needed... was a lot for me to process.. I have had trouble trying to express this in words.. maybe still cannot(well)... Considering a "life" where shape is not really needed(by me) is hard to imagine.. let alone the language thing... In the "vision" the Universe exists mostly as is but there is a "plane/place" super universal.. that operates on different "laws".. existing simultaneously..

Thats where I will be (according to the vision)... But by the way earth will be HELL.. a good place for humans which those there will be relegated to.. i.e. being humans.. like; forever.. The Punishment being remaining a human.. instead of "something else"...

Some think I was (trippin)... but I wasn't.. it was as real as a heart attack... What to do with this data?.. Makes no difference really...

Whatever is.. "IS"/will be... What ever ain't ..."AIN'T"/won't be..
You know "dreams" might be to prepare us(our minds) for this.. So that it will not seem strange to us from the git go... Heck my "vision" itself was "dream-like"...

171 posted on 08/23/2012 10:06:34 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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