Posted on 08/20/2012 12:14:50 PM PDT by IbJensen
The Social Security Administration (SSA) confirms that it is purchasing 174 thousand rounds of hollow point bullets to be delivered to 41 locations in major cities across the U.S. No one has yet said what the purpose of these purchases is, though we are led to believe that they will be used only in an emergency to counteract and control civil unrest. Those against whom the hollow point bullets are to be used — those causing the civil unrest — must be American citizens; since the SSA has never been used overseas to help foreign countries maintain control of their citizens.
What would be the target of these 174, 000 rounds of hollow point bullets? It can’t simply be to control demonstrators or rioters. Hollow point bullets are so lethal that the Geneva Convention does not allow their use on the battle field in time of war. Hollow point bullets don’t just stop or hurt people, they penetrate the body, spread out, fragment and cause maximum damage to the body’s organs. Death often follows.
Potentially each hollow nose bullet represents a dead American. If so, why would the U.S. government want the SSA to kill 174,000 of our citizens, even during a time of civil unrest? Or is the purpose to kill 174,000 of the nation’s military and replace them with Department of Homeland Security (DHS) special security forces, forces loyal to the Administration, not to the Constitution?
All my life I’ve handled firearms. When a young boy growing up on my father’s farm in Pennsylvania Dad’s first rule of firearms training was, “Never point a gun at someone, in fun or otherwise, unless you intend to shoot them. If you shoot someone, shoot to kill.” I’ve never forgotten his admonition. It stayed with me through my Boy Scout training, when I enlisted in the army as a Private to fight in the Korea War, during my days as a Ranger and Paratrooper and throughout my thirty-four year military career.
If this were only a one time order of ammunition, it could easily be dismissed. But there is a pattern here. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) has ordered 46,000 rounds of hollow point ammunition. Notice that all of these purchases are for the lethal hollow nose bullets. These bullets are not being purchased and stored for squirrel or coyote hunting. This is serious ammunition manufactured to be used for serious purposes.
In the war in Iraq, our military forces expended approximately 70 million rounds per year. In March DHS ordered 750 million rounds of hollow point ammunition. It then turned around and ordered an additional 750 million rounds of miscellaneous bullets including some that are capable of penetrating walls. This is enough ammunition to empty five rounds into the body of every living American citizen. Is this something we and the Congress should be concerned about? What’s the plan that requires so many dead Americans, even during times of civil unrest? Has Congress and the Administration vetted the plan in public.
I fear that Congress won’t take these ammunition purchases seriously until they are all led from Capitol Hill in handcuffs. Why buy all this ammunition unless you plan to use it. Unknown to Congress, Does DHS plan to declare war on some country? Shouldn’t Congress hold hearings on why the Administration is stockpiling this ammunition all across the nation? How will it be used; what are the Administration’s plans?
Obama is a deadly serious, persistent man. Once he focuses on an object, he pursues it to the end. What is his focus here? All of these rounds of ammunition can only be used to kill American citizens, though there is enough ammunition being ordered to kill, in addition to every American citizen, also every Iranian, Syrian or Mexican. There is simply too much of it. And this much ammunition can’t be just for training, there aren’t that many weapons and “shooters” in the U.S. to fire it. Perhaps it is to be used to arm illegal immigrants?
We have enough military forces to maintain law and order in the U.S. even during times of civil unrest.
We have local police, backed up by each state’s National Guard, backed up by the Department of Defense. So in addition to all these forces why does DHS need its own private army? Why do the SSA, NOAA and other government agencies need to create their own civilian security forces armed with hollow nose bullets?
Were I the JCS, and if I wasn’t already fully briefed on this matter, I’d stop the purchase of hollow point bullets, ask the secretary of Defense why all this ammunition is being purchased and spread around the country? If I got answers like the ones Congress got during the investigation of Operation Fast and Furious – I’d start tracking all ammunition deliveries nationwide to find out what organizations and units are using them, for what purpose and, if it is not constitutional, prepare to counteract whatever it is that they are doing.
This is a deadly serious business. I hope I’m wrong, but something smells rotten. And If the Congress isn’t going to do its duty and investigate this matter fully, the military will have to protect the Constitution, the nation, and our citizens.
Jerry Curry is a decorated combat veteran, Army Aviator, Paratrooper, and Ranger, who for nearly forty years has served his country both in the military and as a Presidential political appointee.
Lets cut the BS. Hollow Points are for killing, not wounding but out and out killing. And who does the Government want to kill? How dumb does anyone think most real Americans think. When you look down the barrel at one of these King Obama's army I think you might have an answer. When have they put down rioters now?
The HPs are less likely to over penetrate if they do actually hit a perp and less likely to ricochet in the more likely event they miss. So it makes sense to get the HPs. Also they are supposed to train with what they shoot so...
Hague Convention, not Geneva Convention.
1899.
Re: Who Does The Government Intend To Shoot?
Unruly peons and taxpayers
If the SSA is antyhing like DHS they have to certify with the same rounds they carry on duty. There are all kinds of liability issues for practicing with rounds that are different from normal duty carry. It is probably a violation of service policy to shoot anything other than the hollow points they are issued.
Purchase a Russian AK 47 as the caliber is not the same as American tuff.
You can still get it real cheeeeep.
Dogs; they're going to train against dogs.
Yep; I've noticed that sort of thinking too.
What's to watch out for is also the case of "appeal to self authority" -- which is the same, except that instead of being someone else it's in the first-person: "I wouldn't be here if I didn't have the authority to be here, as justification for their presence."
Ask yourselves how ... these warlike preparations ... darken our land. Arefleets and armies(hollow point bullets) necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling ... that force must be called in...? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation - the last arguments to whichkings(tyrants) resort.I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this
martial array(martial law) if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motives for it? HasGreat Britain(this administration) any enemy, in this quarter of the world to call for all this accumulation ofnavies and armies(deadly ammunition)? No, sir, s-he has none. They are meant for us: they can be meant for no other.
Even the Marine Corps doesn’t allocate 7500 rounds per Marine for annual sidearms+rifle training.
On average, less than 500 rds/person is consumed.
Not to mention, most training now is performed in simulation.
With the price of ammo, think of the numbers who could be hired for that amount, (...and train them in knife skills).
You’re likely right. That doesn’t make it right. There aren’t that many terrorists that the non-military government would need over a billion rounds for. This is planning for civilian dissidents - citizens.
Hollowpoints are not for practice.
Target practice usually favors a round which doesn’t deform, so multiple shots may be scored on the target.
I will be surprised if at least 10% of this doesn’t get sold “to the public” in the next 6 months, and 40% end up in another country to help some folks friendly with people in high places in DC.
Actually it’s the Hague Convention that bans soft ammo in warfare, not Geneva. It was done because the soft larger caliber bullets caused many amputations. Personally I find the idea rather quaint and silly. You can shoot someone with a Hellfire missile but not a hollow point bullet? What kind of sense does that make? And no it doesn’t bother me that it isn’t applied to civilian situations. If a police officer needs to shoot someone, it’s supposed to be because thay are putting the officer or someone else in danger. I want that perp stopped instantly, not bleeding to death or laying in a hospital after taking out a hostage or bystander.
You can practice with them, and it makes sense to practice with the same round you would use in the real world. In fact in a lot of action shooting facilities you cannot use FMJ bullets. They have to be soft. It may also be simpler logistically to just stock one type of ammp instead of two.
Embarrassing?
Au contraire, mon ami!
(A little French lingo there to prove I bear no animosity towards froggies.)
Just what, sir, is embarrassing about this general's record? To make a statement like that I would suggest that it is you that should be embarrassed.
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