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Golden Nugget suing card manufacturer after unshuffled cards lead to big winnings for gamblers
nj.com ^ | August 21, 2012

Posted on 08/21/2012 5:05:53 AM PDT by grundle

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To: Inconvenient Truthteller

So the casino gambled that the cards would be
pre-shuffled.......and lost?

Irony is cool.


21 posted on 08/21/2012 6:51:55 AM PDT by markoman (The man with the rubber glove was....surprisingly gentle.)
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To: grundle
.......the players kept winning over and over.....so the casino flooded the area with floor persons, managers, supervisors, surveillance and security officers, believing they were watching "a sophisticated swindling and cheating scheme" in progress..............

There are such swindlers in casinos.....CNBC's "American Greed" series ran the story about a Vietnamese group that swindled casinos out of millions.

They were very sophisticated, using electronics, and hordes of accomplices in the scheme, traveling from one casino to another ........was going great except for one huge boo-boo.

They hired people to participate---but one of them was an undercover agent who caught the ringleader on tape.

22 posted on 08/21/2012 6:52:47 AM PDT by Liz
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To: grundle

This is a little like Kamikaze pilots suiting Mitsubishi.


23 posted on 08/21/2012 6:59:13 AM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine.)
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To: All

In one notorious casino swindling case-——the dealer was the swindler.

At first, casino security could not figure out how he was stealing.

They studied videotapes over and over-—then noticed the dealer was wearing a large watch——he would slip $100 chips under the face of the watch and walk out with them.

Accomplices would cash them in.


24 posted on 08/21/2012 6:59:40 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Dr. Sivana

Yep, the cards were shuffled back into order,,,
thats how good they are.


25 posted on 08/21/2012 7:01:45 AM PDT by ßuddaßudd (>> F U B O << "What the hell kind of country is this if I can only hate a man if he's white?")
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To: grundle

Um, doesn’t this casino have those card shuffling machines, or doesn’t the dealer shuffle the cards? Did they open a new pack of cards with each hand or something? Sounds to me like the procedures of the casino are to blame here.


26 posted on 08/21/2012 7:02:59 AM PDT by MEGoody (You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody

If you read the article (I know, a FR tradition encourages commenting without reading), you’ll see the casino buys the cards from the manufacturer pre-shuffled. The card manufacturer delivered unshuffled decks of cards.


27 posted on 08/21/2012 7:43:46 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Steely Tom
Most of those were in the early days of Indian casino gaming, and one casino manager eventually committed suicide when the scam to cheat the winners was discovered.

-PJ

28 posted on 08/21/2012 7:54:35 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( It doesn't come naturally when you're not natural born.)
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To: grundle

Anybody can win blackjack by using memorized Monte Carlo non-successive damped sequence algorithms. I did this in Reno for 3 months- Then they blackballed me at all the casinos. So I taught my friends how to do it and they all cleaned up.


29 posted on 08/21/2012 8:02:04 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (Yup- where?? who knew?)
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To: Usagi_yo
Casino doesn’t shuffle their own cards? Almost as stupid as gambling at online Casinos.

Indeed. Being a professional nerd, I'm amazed at the fact that anyone could trust an online casino. Even if the casino is entirely legitimate, and tries its best to run an honest house, the chances of them having decent random number generators with a true source of randomness (like, say radioactive decay), is vanishingly small.

30 posted on 08/21/2012 10:20:45 AM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: SoothingDave
If you read the article (I know, a FR tradition encourages commenting without reading), you’ll see the casino buys the cards from the manufacturer pre-shuffled. The card manufacturer delivered unshuffled decks of cards.

However, the article also stated that the dealer dealt the same sequence of cards over and over again. Not sure how that would have happened unless they didn't shuffle between games or, instead, used a new deck each time (all of which were unshuffled).

I'm not an expert on how casinos operate, so maybe it is common practice to open a new deck of cards for each game.

31 posted on 08/21/2012 10:35:31 AM PDT by MEGoody (You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: SoothingDave

Pre-shuffled cards? Is that really that much of a time-saver? Plus I’ve never seen a game that doesn’t have a time out for shuffling by hand. The only exception was the Bellagio that had these toilet seat looking gizmos attached to the 6 deck shoe where the old cards are deposited, shuffled and put back. No game stoppage.


32 posted on 08/21/2012 10:49:19 AM PDT by boop (It's not personal...it's strictly business)
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To: grundle

If the contract says cards are supposed to be delivered pre-shuffled and the weren’t that’s a valid suit. Of course the dealer should have caught this before the gamers did and shut down the table. The players definitely didn’t do anything wrong.


33 posted on 08/21/2012 10:54:57 AM PDT by discostu (Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.)
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To: MEGoody

Usually casinos only go part way through a deck, helps keep counters at bay since the second half of the deck is predictable by the first half. Depending on the game and the shoe (some shoes get loaded with one deck some with lots) it could 1 deck 1 game. Probably not with baccarat since there’s no strategy, probably closer to 1 deck 5 or 6 games, but then if the next deck runs the exact same pattern (again it’s a no strategy game, all games deal the exact same number of cards in the same order, easy to spot a pattern develop). And in casinos you never reshuffle, used cards are trash, they usually actually nick them in some way so they’re easily identifiable as used.


34 posted on 08/21/2012 11:05:03 AM PDT by discostu (Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.)
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To: yldstrk
"Forty-one consecutive winning hands later..."

Fourty-one consecutive hands the dealer didn't get a clue? I don't feel real bad for the house.

The Kenyan must go.

35 posted on 08/21/2012 2:59:43 PM PDT by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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