Posted on 08/22/2012 11:32:32 AM PDT by Jewbacca
How can you distinguish? Easy...Jews don’t “circumcise” girls.
(I put that in quotes because “circumcising a girl” is like “plucking a fish”.)
“My ancestors kicked german butt to get your ancestor’s butts out of the fire.”
Which ancestors? The Scott, German, Irish, or Apache?
Seriously, go try Stormfront or DU. Either will be more to you liking.
"religion should not be allowed to permit harming of the helpless."
Seems to me that this line of reasoning could be used as an excuse to criminalize a number of religious practices and ideas.
That's the whole point. Religion has been redefined as an endlessly malleable and evolving ethno-cultural appendage with no connection to objective truth. Objective truth has been assigned to "secular morality" (which is based on what . . . ? "Science?" . . . Personal hang-ups?) which now sits in judgment on all religions, religious claims, and religious authorities. This notion of a common non-sectarian standard apart from G-d is the opening that let the camel's nose into the tent, and it's not the creation of modern liberals but of people like Locke and Jefferson. In other words, the source of today's anti-religious mania is part of the ideology of America itself.
The current acceleration of the process is fraught with irony. Internationally, the western world (the moslem world is unaffected) has adopted this non-sectarian secular morality largely in the name of atoning for Jewish suffering. The people whose mission is to teach the world about G-d wound up teaching the world about Voltaire (an anti-Semite himself, btw). Does mormonism teach the proxy baptism of deceased people? Well, we can't allow people to "use" religion in this way, so the referee of secular morality steps in and forbids it. Does Fundamentalist Protestantism require its members to try their best to convert every single person they meet to their version of chrstianity? Well, our current multi-cultural society won't allow people to "use" religion to make other people feel bad, so the supreme arbiter of non-existent "secular morality" steps in again. And so the Jews become associated with secularism and G-d becomes associated with the host gentile nation--the exact opposite of how things are supposed to be.
Domestically, the launching pad of the current situation was the Ku-Kluckers and segregationists claiming that the Bible taught white supremacy (just where has never been mentioned). So, since "religion" teaches Black inferiority (a point conceded rather than contested by anti-religious liberals), "secular morality" became the great Supreme Arbiter of domestic American justice. Since G-d teaches white supremacy (again, no verses are ever quoted), then G-d is a big redneck meanie and either "science" or emotional hang-ups rush in to condemn Him. Now the same referee is ready to step in any time G-d is "mean" by putting down gay people or commanding the circumcision of male children.
The supreme irony in this is that two historically fundamentalist communities, Orthodox Jews and Black Protestants, have been used as the excuses for secularization. The religious practices/behavior of each group, no matter how Theonomic, are declared quaint specimens of cultural "otherness" that must be protected in the name of diversity rather than recognized as the simple expressions of religiosity which they are. And so Jews allow G-d to tell them how to tie their shoes and Blacks worship like backwoods right wing hillbilly snake-handlers while liberals look on admiringly and conservatives boo and hiss these "villains."
Is it beginning to make sense now?
Jews have always lived precariously in exile and a certain amount of caution has always been necessary when dealing with the host nation's rulers. However, the glee and lack of any deep thought with which even Orthodox Jews bought into the "supreme secular morality" meme (especially considering its diametrical opposition to universal Noachide morality) as a protection from chrstian anti-Semites has been absolutely heartbreaking. How many people actually believe now that Yehoshua` Bin Nun built a "museum of tolerance" in Jericho?
It was inevitable that this "secular morality" would eventually come to bite the source of everything opposed to it: Judaism. So now religion may not be "used" to "mutilate" eight day old babies who according to secular humanism aren't even people anyway. And how are Jewish organizations responding? By the same tired old cries of "otherness," "pluralism," "multiculturalism," "tolerance," "bigotry," and invocations of "secular morality" (in the form of the UN Universal Declaration of Rights).
Everyone except the Jews is speaking in the Name of G-d. Everyone except the Jews is practicing mystical nationalism. They're all imitating Biblical Israel and the imitations are all false and will all fail.
Everyone wants to be Israel except for Israel. Isn't it about time this changed?
(You're sorry? Imagine how I feel for knowing the answer!)
I figured there was some gay sex reason.
Pretty much anything relating to that lifestyle is TMI.
I guess I’m unclear on something...does the law in question prohibit circumcision (or prohibit it under a certain age) or does it just require that it be performed by a licensed physician?
now they live precariously the the land that G-D HIMSELF gave them.
I would think gay guys would prefer circumcised d**ks...I think the poster trying to relate anti circumcision laws with gays was stretching it to say the least.
What would happen if every Jew said “We’ll consider stopping circumcision AFTER you stop abortions.”?
Actually women say a uncircumcised guy feels better than circumcised..more skin moving about but of course they like look of cut better so it's a trade off....
I would have thought the same thing.
Chalk if up to one more thing about them we will never fathom.
Ah, shades of the early days of Hitler.
“For a smart guy, you’re slow on the uptake.”
I’ll take that as a fair comment.
For whatever reason, I have only recently understood that all sin is just a rejection of G-d, and the rejection can take many forms, from sexual perversion to anti-semitism, but, at it’s heart is still just rejection.
Not sure what took so long for me to get that.
And, as ZC points out, is the only thing that explains the political alignment — I mean, why would neo-nazis and queers be on the same page? No reason, but hatred of G-d.
Same with many, many things.
Uh. . .what? Who does that?
Putz nacht
Sloppy reporting! The Rabbi has NOT been charged (by the authorities - as the article implies and posters here seem to believe). The individual mentioned in the article filed a criminal complaint.
BFD. Anyone can file a criminal complaint against someone.
In fact, after that misguided single court ruling a few weeks ago, the Bundestag has passed a resolution that religious circumcision of boys should NOT be a criminal offense. Funny, didn't see that piece of news posted here.
http://www.israelandstuff.com/the-bundestag-defends-circumcision-after-cologne-ban
The defendant is a medical doctor, I believe.
It’s any non-medical-based circumcision.
Circumcision is not mandated by Islamic religious law. They do frequently circumcise infants, but so do Christians.
“Because an intact foreskin facilitates insertion into tight non-lubricated orifices.”
Ick. Did not know that.
Of course, discouraging sodomy may well have been G-d’s intent behind the mitzvah.
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