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Marine Brandon Raub Ordered Released
SFGate ^ | 8/23/12 | LARRY O'DELL

Posted on 08/23/2012 1:41:49 PM PDT by IDRATHERNOT

A judge on Thursday ordered the release of a former Marine who was detained for psychiatric evaluation after posting strident anti-government messages on Facebook. Prince George County Circuit Judge W. Allan Sharrett said at the end of a one-hour hearing that the involuntary commitment order issued by a magistrate against Brandon J. Raub was invalid because it contained no allegation or basis to hold him, according to the head of a civil liberties organization that represented the 26-year-old veteran.

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1 posted on 08/23/2012 1:41:54 PM PDT by IDRATHERNOT
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To: IDRATHERNOT
"psychiatric evaluation after posting strident anti-government messages"

WTF is this, North Korea or the USSR of the '60's? Oh, that's right.. YES. Thanks, 0bama /s

2 posted on 08/23/2012 1:44:42 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Some of his Facebook posts, like “Sharpen my axe; I’m here to sever heads” may have caused some concern about his potential for violence. It’s good to keep a lid on the worst of the rhetoric.


3 posted on 08/23/2012 1:48:28 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (A deep-fried storm is coming, Mr Obama.)
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To: IDRATHERNOT
...ordered the release of a former Marine who was detained for psychiatric evaluation after posting strident anti-government messages...

Are you freakin' kidding me???? What the hell is this?

Romney/Ryan please pick up the white courtesy phone - an amazing commercial has just been made for you ... again.

4 posted on 08/23/2012 1:49:17 PM PDT by Principled (Vote Romney to stop Obama. Vote for conservative Reps and Senators to stop Romney. [ZET 7/30/12])
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

sadly, he still loses his right to bear arms. When one is involuntarily committed, atleastin my state, one immediately and permenently lose the right to bear arms. The final outcome does not matter.


5 posted on 08/23/2012 1:49:58 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

sadly, he still loses his right to bear arms. When one is involuntarily committed, atleastin my state, one immediately and permenently lose the right to bear arms. The final outcome does not matter.


6 posted on 08/23/2012 1:50:06 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: IDRATHERNOT
Well GAW DAMN.

Some good news for a change.

7 posted on 08/23/2012 1:50:16 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Funny but creepy!)
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To: IDRATHERNOT

Well according to the EPA slug, they have to crucify 4 more citizens to set an example so you do not screw with the government as it is no longer a government of the people, by the people and for the people but a government headed by a mentored and schooled Marxist and a democrat party completely assimilated by the CPUSA.

The founders would have taken action.


8 posted on 08/23/2012 1:50:16 PM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Just four years ago, Big Media would have called him a hero, a CHAMPION of civil rights and freedom of speech.

FU Big Media — as always!


9 posted on 08/23/2012 1:50:40 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: IDRATHERNOT
that the involuntary commitment order issued by a magistrate against Brandon J. Raub was invalid because it contained no allegation or basis to hold him

Now will the government "correct" this to add specific allegations or will they abandon it because it is beginning to get attention.

10 posted on 08/23/2012 1:50:51 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Recycled Olympic tagline Shut up, Bob Costas. Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up!)
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To: PapaBear3625

Good thing Jefferson never said anything crazy like ‘blood of tyrants’ or he’d be labled a looney and sent to the twitch farm.


11 posted on 08/23/2012 1:52:43 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: IDRATHERNOT

The guy thinks 9-11 was an inside job, thinks chemtrails are being used to poison us, thinks the CFR is planting computer chips in us, and wants to lead the revolution using an axe to cut off peoples heads.

Guy is a nut.


12 posted on 08/23/2012 1:54:14 PM PDT by icwhatudo (This is not a choice between Romney&Reagan-Its between Romney & most radical leftist Pres in history)
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To: IDRATHERNOT

How many on this site were secretly thinking of self censoring a little? Yeh thats what I thought. That is what this is all about. Drop the hammer on one and the rest will shut up.

Too bad Raub got away. Now Obooboo will have to look for another patsy. Let the lawsuits begin.


13 posted on 08/23/2012 1:54:14 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: IDRATHERNOT
I think Raub should sue the local cops and FBI for violation of his forth amendment rights to be free from unreasonable search and seizure.

They entered his home and took him in to custody with out a valid warrant.

14 posted on 08/23/2012 1:55:29 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: PapaBear3625

When I first saw this story I wondered. Why did they get to keep him so long? It would seem like something you’d just have a talk about, determine what he’s about and whether or not he’s dangerous and then let him go.


15 posted on 08/23/2012 1:56:10 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: IDRATHERNOT

Does he keep his firearms now?


16 posted on 08/23/2012 1:56:10 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: PapaBear3625
Some of his Facebook posts, like “Sharpen my axe; I’m here to sever heads” may have caused some concern about his potential for violence.

Yeah, and imagine if he had said something as horrific as "...heads are gonna roll"

17 posted on 08/23/2012 1:57:05 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: PapaBear3625

“... Sharpen my axe; I’m here to sever heads” may have caused some concern about his potential for violence.”

One an earlier Raub thread one poster noted that that precise language is taken from a popular rock song. Not that *I* or, apparently, the Feds, would know. Maybe hard metal rock?


18 posted on 08/23/2012 1:59:08 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Chickensoup
When one is involuntarily committed, atleastin my state, one immediately and permenently lose the right to bear arms.

I don’t believe that being held for observation is the same thing as being committed.

He hasn’t been adjudicated as being incompetent.

19 posted on 08/23/2012 2:00:16 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: PapaBear3625
Some of his Facebook posts, like “Sharpen my axe; I’m here to sever heads” may have caused some concern about his potential for violence

That's a song lyric.

20 posted on 08/23/2012 2:01:15 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Chickensoup

The order was invalidated by court order. He is free to own firearms.


21 posted on 08/23/2012 2:01:28 PM PDT by CodeToad (Anticipate their arrival...they won't.)
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To: Travis McGee

Good news ping


22 posted on 08/23/2012 2:03:05 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: IDRATHERNOT

The guy thinks there is a secret castle in Colorado where world leaders get together to rape and murder children.....


23 posted on 08/23/2012 2:04:10 PM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: icwhatudo
Guy is a nut.

DHS thinks you're a right-wing terrorist because you're an FR poster. Be careful in the judgements you pass in this day and age. I loathe truthers, but the guy has a right to make truther posts on a website that allows such without being committed.

24 posted on 08/23/2012 2:05:35 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: IDRATHERNOT

NO WARRANT, NO CHARGE, NO LAWYER. Enslaved in a cage.

Honestly, I’m not the suing type, but I would be on a war path after this one. Jesus, this country is so past screwed. Stuff like this gets me pretty riled up.

This could prevent him from ever getting a weapons permit in some states. They might as well go ahead and strip him of his right to vote. People should have their a$$es handed to them. No punishment is too severe.


25 posted on 08/23/2012 2:08:35 PM PDT by Noamie
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To: Noamie

Worst of all, the government just reinforced everything he apparently fears from them.


26 posted on 08/23/2012 2:11:52 PM PDT by CityCenter
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To: icwhatudo
The guy thinks 9-11 was an inside job, thinks chemtrails are being used to poison us, thinks the CFR is planting computer chips in us, and wants to lead the revolution using an axe to cut off peoples heads.

Guy is a nut.

So was David Koresh.

27 posted on 08/23/2012 2:14:08 PM PDT by OSHA (One despises and wants to destroy the United States, the other is a dead terrorist.)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
Glenn Beck just reviewed dino media demands to cut the heart out of Dick Cheney, Black Pamper promises to hack whites into pieces, OWS youtubes to burn down Wall Street . . .
28 posted on 08/23/2012 2:15:06 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Exterminate rats.)
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To: icwhatudo

If what you say is true, the marine needs help getting back to the real world.


29 posted on 08/23/2012 2:16:10 PM PDT by Banjoguy (The U.S. population are now the slaves of all taxing bodies in the country.)
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To: OSHA

And Randy Weaver and his wife.


30 posted on 08/23/2012 2:16:28 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Exterminate rats.)
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To: PapaBear3625

I see more violent rhetoric on DU, probably even from MSNBC hosts


31 posted on 08/23/2012 2:19:37 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Tzimisce

I don’t think it is in Colorado. :p


32 posted on 08/23/2012 2:21:02 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Roccus
This is some of the stuff he posted.Image and video hosting by TinyPic

A bit of Googling also turned up the following which is supposed to be a larger excerpt from his Facebook page before it was set to Private, though I can't be 100% sure that is authentic.

—————————— The revolution is beginning. Share · November 9, 2011 at 2:06pm ·

—————————— Mark Zuckerberg, There is a fight for Liberty going on. Which side will you be on. Share · November 10, 2011 at 5:18am ·

—————————— Brandon J Raub Your leaders are lying to you. You are scared and apathetic so you do not question. You do not inquire. You do not ask yourself if perhaps there is a different version of history that you were simply not taught. You have been lied to since the day you were born. Your leaders are in bed with some very evil men. They are planning to crash the dollar and enslave you. This is fact. Not fiction. Share · November 11, 2011 at 9:51am ·

—————————— I am waking people up to your scheme. Share · November 12, 2011 at 6:41am ·

—————————— Listen. You people have no idea what is going on with our government. You have embraced apathy. They are censoring facebook. Click to play: Richmond Liberty March November 12, 2011 at 6:47pm via Smilebox ·

—————————— Mark Zuckerberg, This is your last chance. Which side of liberty will you be on. Share · November 13, 2011 at 11:10am ·

—————————— I am starting a revolution. The goverment has gone to far. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm8ahsgZYtE TSA Checkpoints Now on Tennessee Interstate Highways http://www.youtube.com If you see something, say something the TSA says to drivers on the highway. Share · November 13, 2011 at 11:44pm ·

—————————— Fuck the New World Order. Have a nice day. Share · December 9, 2011 at 2:56pm ·

—————————— Our leaders are traitors. Share · December 19, 2011 at 2:46pm ·

—————————— Fuck the New World Order. I’m bringing it down. Share · December 24, 2011 at 12:23am ·

—————————— New World Order. Tick Tock. Share · April 9 at 5:03pm ·

—————————— I feel like I am standing at a great crossroads. As if a storm of destiny is about to pick me up and take me to fight a great battle. A battle I could have never imagined existed Share · July 24 at 4:34pm ·

—————————— If you are my friend, you deserve to know the truth. This world is secretly run by a shadow organization of people who among other things enjoy raping children. Some of leaders were involved with the bombing of the twin towers. It was a sacrifice and a complete inside job. Also the Bush’s are very sick twisted problems. I believe they have a secret Castle in Colorado where they have been raping and sacrificing children for many years. Think I’m crazy? Think again. Share · July 28 at 12:15pm ·

—————————— http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....=endscreen This is what I’m about to do Share · July 29 at 2:50pm ·

—————————— We MUST rise up and take our country back Share · July 30 at 5:51pm ·

—————————— We must stand right now as a nation and as a people. Share · August 3 at 11:42am ·

—————————— For the Republic. Share · August 4 at 2:26pm ·

—————————— I am standing against a great evil. I will do it all by myself if I have to. Share · August 4 at 6:42pm ·

—————————— If you are unaware of the great amount of evil perpetrated by the American Government I suggest you take you take your head out of the sand. The day of reckoning is almost at hand. Share · August 5 at 10:19am ·

—————————— I don’t care how crazy it looks Share · August 6 at 6:07pm ·

—————————— Dear Illuminati, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....=endscreen August 7 at 3:18pm ·

—————————— Friends, Aquaintances, and Loved Ones, http://www.youtube.com/watch?f.....frJ3e0hxPE Share · August 7 at 5:54pm ·

—————————— Do you know that world leaders sacrifice children in robes? Share · August 7 at 5:57pm ·

—————————— This is the part where I tell the Federal Government to go fuck itself. This is the part where I tell Generals, training our young men to fight Americans, I am coming for you. The Veterans will be with me. Share · August 9 at 9:42am ·

—————————— The Revolution is Upon Us. Share · August 9 at 2:53pm ·

—————————— I’m starting the Revolution. I’m done waiting. Share · August 10 at 1:11am ·

—————————— Dear Friends in the Military, The time for choosing has come. Will you continue to ignore the obvious lie of 911 or will you stand and fight for your people? Share · August 10 at 5:14pm ·

—————————— The time for being willfully blind has ended. Share · August 10 at 5:15pm ·

—————————— http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g9poWKKpbU Dear Friends, I know many of you think I’m going crazy, and are wondering just why I have been posting the things I have been posting. I don’t have the energy to explain. Just know that a new beginning is coming. Share · August 11 at 2:16am ·

—————————— Dear men and women in positions in power within our government, corrupt bureaucrats, corrupt judges and police, Nazis in the Marine Corps, Barack Obama and your Communist Cabinet, Share · August 12 at 10:42am ·

—————————— Friends, You deserve to kow the truth. There has been an overwhelming amount of evil enacted and planned against you, your children, and your countrymen. It is great in scope. Your government evil. It is as simple as that. And the calvary is coming. Share · August 12 at 11:02am · —————————— The people responsible for posioning the America people from the sky will be held accountable. And there is going to be justice. Share · August 12 at 12:44pm ·

—————————— Do you know why the American people will win the civil war that is coming? Because we are Americans. Share · August 12 at 4:07pm ·

—————————— veni vidi vici Share · August 13 at 9:07am · I came, I saw, I conquered. August 13 at 9:27am

—————————— Sharpen up my axe; I’m here to sever heads. Share · August 13 at 11:38am ·

—————————— You should understand that many of the things I have said here are for the world to see. Share · August 13 at 1:28pm ·

—————————— This is the picture of the Pentagon, right after our leaders shot a missle into it. Share · August 14 at 8:28am ·

—————————— The Revolution will come for me. Men will be at my door soon to pick me up to lead it. Share · August 14 at 6:15pm ·

—————————— The Revolution is here. And I will lead it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZJ-TXpBKCU Share · Wednesday at 2:00am ·

—————————— AND THEY WILL SAY HE SAID IT TO THE NSA FIRST. Share · Thursday at 12:06am · ——————————

Yeah, considering the rash of public shootings that have recently occurred, I can understand people getting concerned.

33 posted on 08/23/2012 2:22:12 PM PDT by JerseyanExile
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To: icwhatudo
He served in the military, Iraq and Afghanistan from what I understand. He knows this country is going to hell in a hurry under this current regime and he is obviously pissed off and I'm sure he feels he and this country are being betrayed by this current illegitimate government. It's not wise to express ones angry intentions on FB or really anywhere on the net but I can certainly concur why he is angry.
34 posted on 08/23/2012 2:22:57 PM PDT by drypowder
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To: icwhatudo

That’s scary because that’s what my husband believes.

And I agree as well, this guy is a nut.


35 posted on 08/23/2012 2:24:43 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: Noamie

Funny, a few weeks back, people here were excoriating the legal system for the inability to involuntary commit people to mental institutions, and were angry that potentially dangerous mentally ill people had been walking around, when they should have at the very least been brought in for observation and evaluation.


36 posted on 08/23/2012 2:26:01 PM PDT by JerseyanExile
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To: PapaBear3625

“Some of his Facebook posts, like “Sharpen my axe; I’m here to sever heads” may have caused some concern about his potential for violence. It’s good to keep a lid on the worst of the rhetoric.”

Yep. Can’t have people running around saying stuff like, “Give me liberty or give me death!” or folks might get scared.


37 posted on 08/23/2012 2:28:39 PM PDT by MeganC (The Cinemark theatre in Aurora, CO is a 'Gun Free Zone'. Spread the word.)
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To: IDRATHERNOT

There was an article here on FR earlier today about a Texas judge who said we in the US should possibly expect a revolution. Are the feds going to come and take him away too?


38 posted on 08/23/2012 2:30:41 PM PDT by miele man
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To: IDRATHERNOT

It seems he’s suffering from what is clinically known as “advanced Ron Paul” with maybe some Coast to Coast AM thrown in, nothing more.


39 posted on 08/23/2012 2:31:25 PM PDT by ebshumidors ( Marksmanship and YOUR heritage http://www.appleseedinfo.org)
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To: CityCenter

“Worst of all, the government just reinforced everything he apparently fears from them.”

Ironic, isn’t it? I wonder how many in the Obama Gestapo say to themselves, “We have met the enemy and he is us.”?


40 posted on 08/23/2012 2:34:19 PM PDT by MeganC (The Cinemark theatre in Aurora, CO is a 'Gun Free Zone'. Spread the word.)
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To: Tzimisce

Sounds like a UN party.


41 posted on 08/23/2012 2:35:44 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: IDRATHERNOT

Rutherford
https://www.rutherford.org/


42 posted on 08/23/2012 2:36:29 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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Rutherford defended the guy. Here’s their online form:

https://www.rutherford.org/legal_assistance/


43 posted on 08/23/2012 2:40:03 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: icwhatudo
The guy thinks 9-11 was an inside job, thinks chemtrails are being used to poison us, thinks the CFR is planting computer chips in us, and wants to lead the revolution using an axe to cut off peoples heads.

Sounds just like the Black Liberation Theory guys...you know..."Holder's People"

44 posted on 08/23/2012 2:42:22 PM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: PapaBear3625
Sure, especially when the phrase is an oft-quoted rap song lyric which can be found literally all over facebook, amongst the rap generation, white or black.

One wonders if the same reaction could be had, getting involuntarily committed, quoting Thomas Jefferson. Only without the quote listing. Just to see how much our "health/police" matrix can protect us from ourselves. Safe to say the said "mental health professional" is doubtless not a rap fan.... but they could also not be very well read in US history.

Paging Felix Dzerzhinsky!! Counter-revolutionary verbage detected!

45 posted on 08/23/2012 2:49:36 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: icwhatudo

Thank you dr.icwhatudo. I see you, too!! And uh, maybe one out of three ain’t wrong— the CFR does want ID chips, since they work so well in pet tracking.


46 posted on 08/23/2012 2:52:45 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: CityCenter

Yep, just like the FBI provided the light show special effects to David Koresh’s apocolyptic rantings. The FBI made themselves more terrifying to the mothers of the children in that compound than Koresh was. That is, IMHO why so many chose to stay and be incinerated rather than make a run for it with their children.


47 posted on 08/23/2012 2:53:58 PM PDT by SargeK
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To: CityCenter

Thus physically proving to a nominally paranoid, that indeed even paranoids have enemies. This is a jello regime.


48 posted on 08/23/2012 2:55:05 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Chickensoup

“sadly, he still loses his right to bear arms. When one is involuntarily committed, atleastin my state, one immediately and permenently lose the right to bear arms. The final outcome does not matter.”

Not always true, and those rights can be restored on appeal. In this case, you had something like what was routine in the USSR happen to this man. Justices on both sides of the ideological aisle are likely to side with the Marine in this case.

Still, its an object lesson for anyone serious enough about truly organizing any kind of rebellion - you have to go analog - and no paper trail.

There was a military exercise performed in the years around 2004-2005 that had a modern US garrisoned fake town assaulted by a group of insurgents. The insurgents used motorcycle messengers and other types of visual signal communications, while the US had they’re encrypted, satellite based comms.

The insurgents successfully defeated the US Army because it was extremely difficult to intercept and prepare against a well coordinated attack in medium-sized force not susceptible to elint.


49 posted on 08/23/2012 3:02:21 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: JerseyanExile

Had scrolled up to your post and thought I was reading a Glenn Beck transcript, until I saw the facebook html. In any case there are literally hundreds of thousands of people who think and say these things, and have a forum to do so. Until there is some real factual action to confirm it (like buying 500lbs of (NH4)(NO3)and not being a farmer), to be held in a psych unit on the basis of “complaints from parties unidentified” on the rec. of an anonymous “mental health professional”- certainly is wrong.


50 posted on 08/23/2012 3:04:33 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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