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Mike Huckabee rallies Southern Baptists for Todd Akin (Anti-Akin = Baal Worshipers)
Politico ^ | August 24, 2012 | James Hohmann

Posted on 08/25/2012 6:34:50 AM PDT by C19fan

Mike Huckabee rallied hundreds of Southern Baptists on a conference call Friday night in support of Todd Akin, offering advice about how they can help the embattled Missouri Senate candidate stay in the race — while acknowledging Akin still may have to bow out.

“This could be a Mt. Carmel moment,” said the former Arkansas governor, referring to the holy battle between Elijah and the prophets of Baal in the book of Kings. “You know, you bring your gods. We’ll bring ours. We’ll see whose God answers the prayers and brings fire from heaven. That’s kind of where I’m praying: that there will be fire from heaven, and we’ll see it clearly, and everyone else will to.”

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: akin; akin4obama; delusional; demplantakin; elijah; gomer; huckabee; missionfromgod; missouri; traitorakin
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/src on/Remind me to make an offering to Baal when I go to church this weekend./src off/. Just a reminder why I hate this Elmer Gantry.
1 posted on 08/25/2012 6:35:00 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan

while acknowledging Akin still may have to bow out.
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That just is NOT going to happen.


2 posted on 08/25/2012 6:41:47 AM PDT by pistolpackinpapa (Why is it that you never see any Obama bumper stickers on cars going to work in the mornings?)
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To: C19fan

I saw Huckabee on Cavuto yesterday. He says the GOP needs to stand by Akin and point out how radical Obama and McCaskill are on abortion. Blah Blah Blah.

Then Cavuto says, “Why hasn’t Akin made these points.”

Huck says “He is. “ And Cavuto says, “It is not getting out there.”

Huckabee says, “Well he can’t control the liberal media’s narrative. He can’t direct the news rooms”

Hello!! That’s the GOP’s point. Since when can the Republicans tell CNN CBS ABC etc to make sure they play fair and balanced with the abortion debate. The narrative is now set.

Get lost!

Huckabee: No.


3 posted on 08/25/2012 6:42:02 AM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else)
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To: C19fan
Thank Mike, You have changed the discussion of this campaign from the economy to whether a woman can prevent getting pregnant during a rape.

And we are not winning that debate.

4 posted on 08/25/2012 6:43:22 AM PDT by scooby321 (AMS)
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To: scooby321

Why do I have that sinking feeling ?


5 posted on 08/25/2012 6:44:59 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: C19fan

Akin worship = Idol worship.


6 posted on 08/25/2012 6:47:03 AM PDT by DManA
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To: scooby321

And anyone how disagrees with him is a pagan.


7 posted on 08/25/2012 6:48:02 AM PDT by DManA
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To: C19fan

Well, Gov. Huckabee is certainly entitled to his opinion. I respectfully think he’s got this one all wrong, though. Akin should step down, IMHO. He is very unlikely to win against McCaskill, and he could potentially harm Romney/Ryan’s chances of taking Missouri. It’s the political equivalent of putting your entire paycheck in the pot in the hopes of drawing an inside straight. The risk is huge, and the likelihood of success is minimal.


8 posted on 08/25/2012 6:50:58 AM PDT by DemforBush
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To: C19fan

If I were from Missouri I would vote for Akin in a second....he is still leaps and bounds better than McCaskill !!


9 posted on 08/25/2012 6:51:47 AM PDT by ontap
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To: C19fan

The “fire from Heaven” group is precisely why we have never been able to convince the majority of voters - many of whom do have misgivings about the huge, unlimited abortion rate in this country - to be able to have a rational discussion about it that might really result in changes and save babies.

The image given is one of a self-righteous older Southern rural-state preacher, living in a world totally different from that of most Americans, who thinks he has a special relationship with God on the basis of his virtue and who is opposed to abortion not because he particularly likes people, but because it makes him “righteous.” And as soon as these people invoke their own “righteousness,” they are sacrosanct and no matter what they do, their followers won’t abandon them. They remind me of all the poor folks who were sending big bucks to disgraced radio preachers, still insisting on their virtue even when they had been found with a bevy of prostitutes or a callboy; it’s definitely the Elmer Gantry syndrome.

And it does enormous damage not only to the GOP, but to the anti-abortion cause.


10 posted on 08/25/2012 6:55:07 AM PDT by livius
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To: C19fan

Makes sense to me.

The worshippers of Baal sacrificed babies to Satan. The “secular” abortionists also want to sacrifice babies to Satan.

Anyone helping McCatskill get elected by not promoting Akin is literally in league with Satan.


11 posted on 08/25/2012 6:59:03 AM PDT by Derp Mountain (ship the liberals all back to Massachusetts and secede it from the union)
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To: C19fan

Sarcasm aside, I think what the Huckabites are missing is a sense of Akin’s stupidity. People don’t dismiss Akin because he’s conservative on abortion. They dismiss Akin because he was either stupid enough, or partisan enough, to believe that the reproductive process can end in cases of rape. That either makes him a looney in general or a looney for his cause, neither of which is endearing.


12 posted on 08/25/2012 6:59:29 AM PDT by ajr276
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To: C19fan
The Huckster is a fool to acknowledge that Todd Akin "...may still have to bow out." Ignorant thing to say. As long as this is the message being put out by his supporters, his detractors will likewise put it out. Only continues false hope that Akin will pull the pin before Sept. 25. Thus his potential $upporters will keep their $ close to their vest pocket.

Akin is the candidate, like it or not all.

13 posted on 08/25/2012 7:00:39 AM PDT by donozark (PLEASE SEE: WWW.AKIN.ORG)
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To: C19fan
PROOF OF GOP-E HYPROCRISY

The executive director of the Missouri Baptist Convention, John Yeats, told the group that he counseled Sen. David Vitter (R-La.) after he was linked to a prostitution ring in 2007.

“David had been exposed for going places he shouldn’t have been going. And there were calls for him to step out, but he stayed by his campaign and restored his relationship with his wife,” Yeats said. “As I think about Congressman Akin, his quote, ‘transgression,’ was not nearly as vile as Vitter’s. So I think this thing is survivable. And beyond survivable, I still think he has a real shot at winning the race here in Missouri.”


Democratic National Committee chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz accused Republican National Committee chairman Reince Priebus of hypocrisy Sunday after he called for the resignation of Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-NY), while remaining silent on the sex scandals of Sen. David Vitter (R-LA) and Sen. John Ensign (R-NV).

“What Reince is saying doesn’t pass the straight-face test, from a chair of a party who none of its leaders called for Sen. Vitter, who actually broke the law, to resign, who is still serving office,” Wasserman Schultz told NBC’s David Gregory. “[Vitter] hired prostitutes and evaded the truth. Chairman Priebus was chairman when Sen. Ensign was also embroiled in unethical, unacceptable, and probably illegal conduct, and he did not call for Sen. Ensign to resign.”

“Sen. Ensign resigned,” Priebus insisted.

“But you never called for his resignation, so it’s a double standard,” Wasserman Schultz charged. “So, you only call for Democrats’ resignation, but not for Republicans’, okay.”

For her part, the Democratic chairwoman called on Weiner to resign after he admitted sending lewd pictures to several women and lying about it.

Watch this video from NBC’s Meet the Press, broadcast June 12, 2011.

14 posted on 08/25/2012 7:03:45 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
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To: livius

As I just posted in the other thread, conservatives can take back this country and win the majorities we need in the Senate and other elected offices if we simply locate and run articulate and smart conservative candidates like we have now done here in Wisconsin, ie. Scott Walker, Paul Ryan and Ron Johnson.

If we keep putting up dope candidates like Akin, we will lose because soccer moms in the suburbs won’t vote for them. Just because Akin is 100 percent conservative doesn’t mean he’s a good candidate TO WIN ELECTION. The sooner people realize this concept, the better we will all be.

And if people want to keep whining that somehow it isn’t fair that the Dems can run their own set if dopes like Biden and Sheila Jackson Lee and still win races, I have no sympathy. That’s the way the rules are. Dem dopes are able to be elected. It is what is is.

But the sooner we recognize that we must adhere to a higher standard with guys like Ted Cruz and Paul Ryan, that’s the day we start to win more of these races.


15 posted on 08/25/2012 7:04:35 AM PDT by SteveAustin
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To: C19fan
Wow, that was one insane conference call.
16 posted on 08/25/2012 7:10:16 AM PDT by hcmama
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To: DManA

Anyone consider Akins gets elected and goes Independent? His ego certainly is bent that way.


17 posted on 08/25/2012 7:10:47 AM PDT by not2worry
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To: ajr276

How looney can he be if there are scientists studying exactly that premise, that stress-induced hormonal changes (cortisol in particular) may indeed induce miscarriage (aka spontaneous abortion):

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18616898

One of the above scientists has also performed research with mice that tends to corroborate the premise that miscarriage can be triggered by the chemistry of stress:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-325674/Stress-really-cause-miscarriages.html

Just sayin ...


18 posted on 08/25/2012 7:16:01 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: C19fan

1) Akin is an idiot, and an ignorant one to boot.

2) Akin should drop out, not because of his stance, but because he has a propensity to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

3) Akin is not going to drop out.

4) Akin is only behind 10 points with McCaskill still under 50% support. The race is still winnable at this point.

5) Akin needs great PR and no stumbles from here on out.

6) Akin will most likely continue to shoot himself in the foot, and lose.

7) Akin will not bring down the rest of the Party, no matter how hard the Dems try. These kind of issues have short mileage and if overplayed can have serious blowback.

8) Akin will not cause the GOP to lose the Senate.


19 posted on 08/25/2012 7:18:29 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Election 2012 - America stands or falls. No more excuses. Get involved.)
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To: SteveAustin
Just because Akin is 100 percent conservative doesn’t mean he’s a good candidate TO WIN ELECTION. The sooner people realize this concept, the better we will all be.

I've watched a certain constituency here in Iowa foul the nest on a regular basis by insisting on some "evangelical" or "fundamentalist" Christian with conservative bona-fides... and who is also absolutely - and unfortunately - unelectable in the general either because they come across as John Brown lite or Deputy Dawg. More than once, I've been metaphorically excommunicated and condemned to Hell for calling attention to the problem.

Mr. niteowl77

20 posted on 08/25/2012 7:20:56 AM PDT by niteowl77 (Getting stuck with other peoples' just desserts good and hard for over 50 years.)
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To: SteveAustin
And anyone who believes ole Todd is doing this 'cause the ole boy is just a paragon of virtue is as deluded as he is. His political career is over once McCaskill wipes the floor with him in November. He won't even be able to win that deep red congressional district after this.

Akin is going to ride this thing out and portray himself as martyr for the so-con purists, untainted by dirty notions of "electability." After he is thoroughly stomped in November, he will become a fixture at some so-con think tank. Maybe he will become co-host of Huckster's thoroughly unwatchable show.

But I hope Akin supporters realize that your guy is just another cynical politician, looking out for number one. And he is willing to aid and abet the most pro-abortion administration in history to save his own prospects.

21 posted on 08/25/2012 7:22:53 AM PDT by hcmama
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To: DManA

Akin=Huckabee Puppet


22 posted on 08/25/2012 7:25:28 AM PDT by not2worry
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To: Linda Frances
Can we cool it with the pathetic victim and martyr astroturfing campaign.

This clown is greedy power hungry prideful Dc Insider fool whose wife and son are his payroll.

The clown will not be a class act and step aside for the greater good.
His crazy comments and overall pathetic behavior is hurting a bunch of other unrelated GOP MO candidates.
There were three other strong pro life GOP MO primary candidates so he isn't that unique.
He and his wife /son desperation to hang onto their PRIVILEDGED DC Lifestyle is disgusting. What is the point of this GOPe talking point.

23 posted on 08/25/2012 7:28:40 AM PDT by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: ajr276
Sarcasm aside, I think what the Huckabites are missing is a sense of Akin’s stupidity. People don’t dismiss Akin because he’s conservative on abortion. They dismiss Akin because he was either stupid enough, or partisan enough, to believe that the reproductive process can end in cases of rape. That either makes him a looney in general or a looney for his cause, neither of which is endearing.


No this has to do with the gop-e and those in love with Romney, the pro-abortion, pro-gay, pro-forcing 5 year olds to be taught the gay agenda and parents can't opt out their kids, global warming believing, pro gun control, raising taxes, socialized medicine, amnesty & tarp liberal..

If you say he “changed” your fooling yourselves. He said he was 100% prolife and pro traditional family & has already changed and is now progay adoption, pro killing an innocent baby because his father was a criminal.

The gop-e and romney lover don't want true conservatives because they will holler will liberal romney moves back to his true liberal self. People are fighting to election a liberal and throw out a true conservative. I know we have lots of romney “workers” on FR to make sure we conservatives on this CONSERVATIVES site stay in line. Can't have people thinking he's not a conservative. Close your eyes those who are so scare of Obama that you will vote for a liberal because he has an R behind his name. Pretend he hasn’t lied to us already. Romney will be worse than obama on social issues. If he can lie with a straight face in the primary to get your vote and destroyed other good people, his opponents, to get power, he is an evil %$@&.

24 posted on 08/25/2012 7:30:49 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
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To: hcmama

Yeah, the sooner some people come to grips with the fact that we aren’t criticizing Akin’s POSITIONS but rather Akin as the CANDIDATE, the better off we will be.

Not to keep beating a broken record, but Paul Ryan wins in a lean Dem district here in Wisconsin that Akin would be lucky to win 30 percent in. Yet the NYT keeps telling me this week the voting difference between Akin and Ryan on pro life issues is indistinguishable.

How smart and articulate the candidate is makes a HUGE difference in electability. Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater believed much of the same things. Yet one guy was able to win huge margins in two presidential elections, while the other guy lost big.


25 posted on 08/25/2012 7:33:19 AM PDT by SteveAustin
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To: Linda Frances
Can we cool it with the pathetic victim and martyr astroturfing campaign.

This clown is greedy power hungry prideful Dc Insider fool whose wife and son are on his payroll.

Yes he is Keeping the campaign funds in the family checking account / legal election funds scam. The clown will not be a class act and step aside for the greater good.
His crazy comments and overall pathetic behavior is hurting a bunch of other unrelated GOP MO candidates.
There were three other strong pro life GOP MO primary candidates so he isn't that unique.
He and his wife /son desperation to hang onto there PRIVILEDGED DC Lifestyle is disgusting. What is the point if this GOPe talking point. And the Huckster is playing this fool to stay relevant and self promote his dull TV and radio shows is disgraceful too.

26 posted on 08/25/2012 7:33:32 AM PDT by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: C19fan; Charles Henrickson; xzins; donozark; P-Marlowe; wagglebee; Gene Eric; Eric in the Ozarks; ..

Ping.

I know Mike Huckabee has lots of enemies on Free Republic, but I think this shows clearly that significant people in the social conservative wing of the Republican Party have decided to invest heavy political capital in Todd Akin.

Whether we like Akin or not, or like Huckabee or not, we need to pay serious attention to what could easily become a nasty internal fight in the Republican Party.

Social conservatives, national defense conservatives, and economic conservatives all need each other. None of us can win elections on our own.


27 posted on 08/25/2012 7:42:29 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: Linda Frances
Ma McRascal won her 2006 Senate seat by less than 50K votes. This was during a time of the Third Fallujah. Stem cell research. M.J. Fox in MO. Bush unpopular. IEDs going off and planes flying in to Dover AFB. And her Republican opponent was not a strong candidate.

This election is winnable (for Akin). Unfortunately many have tossed in the towel already. Sad. Akin is the candidate all. Handle it...

29 posted on 08/25/2012 7:43:26 AM PDT by donozark (PLEASE SEE: WWW.AKIN.ORG)
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To: C19fan
The John Birch Society rates him 80 to 90% voting correctly on Constitutional issues. This is why the left want him out. His gaff on rape is just the excuse to trash him. If it wasn't this, it would have been something else. Communist/socialists/Marxists play hardball and they play for keeps. Too bad our weak Republican party can't comprehend this and act accordingly.

http://www.jbs.org/index.php?option=com_rokdownloads&view=folder&id=131&Itemid=259

30 posted on 08/25/2012 7:43:26 AM PDT by A. Patriot (Re-electing Obama is like the Titanic backing up to hit the iceberg again.)
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To: ncalburt
He and his wife /son desperation to hang onto there PRIVILEDGED DC Lifestyle is disgusting.

And that is all that this is about at this point: The family Akin wants to continue in the lifestyle to which they have become accustomed.

31 posted on 08/25/2012 7:45:01 AM PDT by hcmama
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To: hcmama

Yep,

This guy has been in DC as a congressman for awhile .
His congressional seat is now gone with a new goper poised to win in Nov in a very Repub district.
So old Todd , his wife and son are just about to get hteir lovely DC elite lifestyle yanked away from them.
Toddy has his wife and son on the campaign payroll.
They are screwed so they are getting desperate.

So please send them cash to fight those
evil GOP overlords (sarc).
HA , nice scam and not working here .

And Huckster is milking the situation to stay in the news cycle to promote himself.
He is a Modern day Elmer Gantry with bad hair.


32 posted on 08/25/2012 7:57:43 AM PDT by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: donozark
I don't like it, and I wouldn't vote for him because I believe he does more harm than good. I'm sick of a conservatism that puts up with ignorance. I'm sick of the substance of our politicians being pit bull/hockey-moms and, now, whack-job reproductive theories. That he would even approach that sort of territory tells me Akin has no ability to intellectually grasp complex arguments.
33 posted on 08/25/2012 7:59:41 AM PDT by ajr276
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To: Derp Mountain

See the forest through the trees, Derp. The long-term health of the pro-life movement does not benefit by one election if, in that election, people begin to perceive the movement as one of ignorance. Akin, when asked to articulate his position, proved himself incapable of doing so. We don’t need that!


34 posted on 08/25/2012 8:00:16 AM PDT by ajr276
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To: Springfield Reformer

“may indeed induce miscarriage...”

But not as a matter of the will, and it still doesn’t answer the question of whether a woman should be allowed to have an abortion in cases of rape or incest.


35 posted on 08/25/2012 8:00:44 AM PDT by ajr276
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To: DManA; livius
And it does enormous damage not only to the GOP, but to the anti-abortion cause.

I have long thought that for the Pro-Life movement to succeed in changing hearts and minds on a scale big enough to realistically overturn RvW or to a minimum drastically lower unlimited access to, government support of and payment for and the overall number of abortions, it has to, as a larger movement, move away from a fire and brimstone and purely religiously centered argument and move to a or at least embrace and engage with a more secular and scientific POV; one that is based on human rights and perhaps even as a feminist issue much like the org. “Feminists for Life” does.

Feminists for Life

There are even some pro-life atheists (like me ; ) )

Confessions of a Pro-Life Atheist, Why I Fight Abortion

“As a materialist, I think it has been demonstrated that an embryo is a separate body and entity, and not merely (as some really did used to argue) a growth on or in the female body. There used to be feminists who would say that it was more like an appendix or even-this was seriously maintained-a tumor. That nonsense seems to have stopped. Of the considerations that have stopped it, one is the fascinating and moving view provided by the sonogram, and another is the survival of ‘premature’ babies of feather-like weight, who have achieved ‘viability’ outside the womb. … The words ‘unborn child,’ even when used in a politicized manner, describe a material reality.” -Christopher Hitchens, God is Not Great (pp. 220-21)

But when pro-lifers evoke words like “Baal” and “Satan” they turn a good number of non-religious or nominally religious people off who might be persuaded to see what abortion really is – the killing of an individual human being.

When pro-lifers like Akin say stupid things like “legitimate rape” and unscientifically supported ideas like “women have a way of shutting this down”, they turn a lot of people off. When pro-lifers take an extreme position on the use of all or any forms of birth control or say that women who have ectopic pregnancies shouldn’t be saved even as their pregnancy can’t continue, won’t result in a live birth and will almost certainly kill the mother, they turn a lot of people off. When pro-lifers oppose a woman who has been violently raped from receiving emergency contraception or tell them they should just suck it up, Praise God for their rape, smile and be happy and raise their baby on their own, they turn a lot of people off.

This is IMO not a winning position for either the pro-life movement or the GOP.

36 posted on 08/25/2012 8:01:38 AM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: darrellmaurina; C19fan; Charles Henrickson; xzins; donozark; P-Marlowe; wagglebee; Gene Eric; ...
I know Mike Huckabee has lots of enemies on Free Republic

Mike Huckabee made a lot of enemies on Free Republic by being soft on immigration and soft on fiscal policy. He has always been a strong pro-life, pro-traditional family stalwart.

37 posted on 08/25/2012 8:05:04 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: livius

Brilliantly stated.
And the “self-righteous older Southern rural-state
preacher” is the precise counterpart to the self-righteous
younger Urban secularist, which is why this non-debate
“debate” never stood a chance of illuminating the issue.
No one should anticipate any “rational discussion” when attention is only paid to those whose business it is to polarize, confuse, and bewitch the issue.


38 posted on 08/25/2012 8:05:10 AM PDT by supremedoctrine
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To: ajr276
At this date, it little matters what you or anyone else thinks. Akin is our candidate. To not vote for him is to vote for Ma. She will trash us all. Tax hikes. Gun bans. Obi-care. Done deal. Akin supports none of that.

We are trying to win and election here. Not climb Dong Ap Bia.

39 posted on 08/25/2012 8:06:32 AM PDT by donozark (PLEASE SEE: WWW.AKIN.ORG)
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To: ncalburt
And Huckster is milking the situation to stay in the news cycle to promote himself. He is a Modern day Elmer Gantry with bad hair.

Freepers warned us 4 yrs ago that he was our Jimma Carter, and they where right.

While he did good with the Chick-Fil-A thing, he has probably cost us 60 in the Senate and will give us slim margins to get anything done.

I wonder if it isn't payback to Romney for some reason we don't know about in 08'.

BTW he FUBAR'd 08' so bad I still blame him for a lot of the mess that gave us McCain.

He may have FUBAR'd things for Romney, us, and America more than we will ever know..

40 posted on 08/25/2012 8:07:45 AM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: ncalburt
And Huckster is milking the situation to stay in the news cycle to promote himself. He is a Modern day Elmer Gantry with bad hair.

Freepers warned us 4 yrs ago that he was our Jimma Carter, and they where right.

While he did good with the Chick-Fil-A thing, he has probably cost us 60 in the Senate and will give us slim margins to get anything done.

I wonder if it isn't payback to Romney for some reason we don't know about in 08'.

BTW he FUBAR'd 08' so bad I still blame him for a lot of the mess that gave us McCain.

He may have FUBAR'd things for Romney, us, and America more than we will ever know..

41 posted on 08/25/2012 8:08:07 AM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: darrellmaurina; P-Marlowe; SoConPubbie; cripplecreek; Jim Robinson

This is fascinating.

First, I’ve always believed that Mike Huckabee is a solid social conservative, and I was in support of him over McCain. He was more pro-life, more natural family (megan mccain), just as much a defense hawk, just as much a fiscal conservative, and no worse on the border issue.

The fascinating thing, though, is that this is Mike Huckabee coming out AGAINST the Romney forces, who were totally in for the destruction of Todd Akin. Huckabee’s news release supporting Akin overflowed with BITTERNESS about the treatment of social conservatives in the Republican Party. He drew a line in the sand.

That suggests to me that Huckabee does not think Romney will win. I see it as Huck thinking of another run in 2016.


42 posted on 08/25/2012 8:11:19 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: MD Expat in PA; DManA; livius; darrellmaurina; C19fan; Charles Henrickson; xzins; donozark; ...
When pro-lifers take an extreme position on the use of all or any forms of birth control or say that women who have ectopic pregnancies shouldn’t be saved even as their pregnancy can’t continue, won’t result in a live birth and will almost certainly kill the mother, they turn a lot of people off.

Do you think Akins holds these positions?

This forum is filled with pro-life conservatives. Can you name one who would take the positions you just suggested?

If not, then your argument is a classic straw man argument.

BTW if you are advocating for abortion on this forum then you are on the wrong forum. This is a pro-life forum and I don't think you will find a single Freeper who would take the positions that you suggested.

43 posted on 08/25/2012 8:12:57 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: C19fan

If there is one consolation in this mess, it’s that Huckabee has driven the final nail in any presidential aspirations that he may have had. He has exposed himself as a fool who lacks judgement.

Spare us the “but he’s a conservative who votes on laws the way we want”. There are millions of people in this country who would vote conservatively on fiscal and social issues, therefore that may be a necessary trait, but it is by no means sufficient. Presidents must demonstrate good judgement. Huck has not.

And also spare us the “he won’t abandon a soldier on the battlefield” horse pucky. If a soldier repeatedly takes reckless action that not only endangers himself but the rest of his group, you remove him from the battle and try to help him after the battle is over.

What Akin has done is extremely damaging because it reinforces, in the mind of independents and moderate republicans, the notion that many social conservatives subscribe to junk science and crazy theories. They recoil from that and fear what social conservatives might do if in power. In other words, if Republicans will accept the “woman’s body can shut it down” crowd, what else will they tolerate. And that is how you lose elections and allow the left to drive through awful laws.

Screaming “RINO RINO RINO” won’t solve the matter, nor will it sway people to the conservative side. Akin, and now Huckabee, must be ostracized, because they are willfully harming the conservative cause.


44 posted on 08/25/2012 8:13:32 AM PDT by Cousin Eddie
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To: taildragger
He wants to be a power broker and helping Romney lose would let him run in 2016.Plus he can get FREE PR for his awful Tv and radio shows so its a Threefer situation.

Plus old modern day Elmer likes fine living so keeping the media stuff going is important .

He build a Palace on the beach in Destin FL which ran millions over budget.

So the golly gee simple country boy act is an ACT.
The guy is a product of ARK politics , that says it all.

45 posted on 08/25/2012 8:14:47 AM PDT by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: P-Marlowe; MD Expat in PA; DManA; livius; darrellmaurina; C19fan; Charles Henrickson; wmfights; ...
birth control....ectopic pregnancy

There are very few times when I've seen a post advocating such nonsense about social conservatives as does that last post.

There are no social conservatives I know of advocating the criminalization of contraception. That is just pure BS, and can only come from a totally uninformed person. Many conservatives do BELIEVE in not using contraception, but do not BELIEVE that contraception snuffs out a life. IOW, it is not an abortion. Their objection to contraception is that it is a human effort to play God about birth and death. That is a personal religious position that they never have had any intention of imposing on others.

So far as an ectopic pregnancy that is a life of the mother issue, there is no problem with surgery for an ectopic pregnancy. If that tube is removed, then the baby dies, but the intent was not to kill the baby.

That is the issue with abortion: it is ALWAYS and foremost a direct assault on the life of a baby. It is severed limbs, sucked out brains, chemical scalding, etc. It's intent is ALWAYS to kill a living being. And they would have to kill it if it weren't living. And if it weren't human it would result in a cow, pig, dog, camel, etc. But, lo and behold, it always results in a human being.

46 posted on 08/25/2012 8:22:39 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: P-Marlowe; MD Expat in PA; DManA; livius; darrellmaurina; C19fan; Charles Henrickson; wmfights; ...
birth control....ectopic pregnancy

There are very few times when I've seen a post advocating such nonsense about social conservatives as does that last post.

There are no social conservatives I know of advocating the criminalization of contraception. That is just pure BS, and can only come from a totally uninformed person. Many conservatives do BELIEVE in not using contraception, but do not BELIEVE that contraception snuffs out a life. IOW, it is not an abortion. Their objection to contraception is that it is a human effort to play God about birth and death. That is a personal religious position that they never have had any intention of imposing on others.

So far as an ectopic pregnancy that is a life of the mother issue, there is no problem with surgery for an ectopic pregnancy. If that tube is removed, then the baby dies, but the intent was not to kill the baby.

That is the issue with abortion: it is ALWAYS and foremost a direct assault on the life of a baby. It is severed limbs, sucked out brains, chemical scalding, etc. It's intent is ALWAYS to kill a living being. And they would NOT have to kill it if it weren't living. And if it weren't human it would result in a cow, pig, dog, camel, etc. But, lo and behold, it always results in a human being.

47 posted on 08/25/2012 8:22:51 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: P-Marlowe; MD Expat in PA; DManA; livius; darrellmaurina; C19fan; Charles Henrickson; wmfights; ...
birth control....ectopic pregnancy

There are very few times when I've seen a post advocating such nonsense about social conservatives as does that last post.

There are no social conservatives I know of advocating the criminalization of contraception. That is just pure BS, and can only come from a totally uninformed person. Many conservatives do BELIEVE in not using contraception, but do not BELIEVE that contraception snuffs out a life. IOW, it is not an abortion. Their objection to contraception is that it is a human effort to play God about birth and death. That is a personal religious position that they never have had any intention of imposing on others.

So far as an ectopic pregnancy that is a life of the mother issue, there is no problem with surgery for an ectopic pregnancy. If that tube is removed, then the baby dies, but the intent was not to kill the baby.

That is the issue with abortion: it is ALWAYS and foremost a direct assault on the life of a baby. It is severed limbs, sucked out brains, chemical scalding, etc. It's intent is ALWAYS to kill a living being. And they would NOT have to kill it if it weren't living. And if it weren't human it would result in a cow, pig, dog, camel, etc. But, lo and behold, it always results in a human being.

48 posted on 08/25/2012 8:22:51 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: MD Expat in PA

Excellent quote from the late Hitchens, which I did not know about, even as it did ironically come from a decidedly “anti-religious” book.
And everything else you yourself stated was absolutely right on.
As strenuously as the current GOP has tried to excommunicate
Akin, distance themselves from him and his views, the damage
has already been done, and the Dems got the red meat they were waiting for—they will play it to the hilt, even if Akin drops out, by unfairly portraying him as the face of the Republican view on this issue, and indistinguishable from Romney/Ryan.And no one should ever forget that HE was the candidate the Dems WANTED—he fit perfectly into the scenario they are now enjoying, and exploiting.


49 posted on 08/25/2012 8:23:38 AM PDT by supremedoctrine
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To: ncalburt; P-Marlowe
his awful Tv and radio shows

His Saturday Fox show is always very well done. He is extremely good with a crowd, in an interview, with a band, in a pulpit, with a joke, and with just good ole down-hominess.

Anti-Christians and/or anti-Evangelical bigots, on the other hand, tend not to like him.

50 posted on 08/25/2012 8:26:52 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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