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Obama versus Jesus: Black Christians Must Decide
The American Thinker ^ | August 28, 2012 | Lloyd Marcus

Posted on 08/28/2012 12:42:25 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

A poll claims that Romney will receive zero percent of the black vote. Well, if the poll proves correct, it means that a vast majority of black voters are ignorant of the truth...or else they're racist.

Black Christians who vote for Obama knowing his crimes against Christianity and biblical principles have chosen to worship the idol of racial loyalty over their discipleship to Jesus Christ. Pure and simple.

"Thou shalt have no other gods before me."-Exodus20:3

Incredibly, some blacks have completely forsaken their Christianity for Obama. A fellow PK(preacher's kid) said her parents recently changed their stance on same-sex marriage in support of their black president. I find this remarkable.

Though I disagree, I have been sympathetic and understanding with black seniors who have suffered dearly, with hearts still bearing scars of racial injustice.

A year or so ago, I hosted the first Black Conservative Press Conference at the National Press Club in D.C. Several prominent black conservatives from numerous black conservative groups/organizations spoke. My brother brought my 84-year-old black dad from Baltimore. That evening, Dad said, "Everything I heard today is true. But, because of racism I suffered in my youth, I can not turn against Obama."

At that time, I respectfully gave my hero, my preacher dad, a pass. Some may criticize me, saying, Lloyd, either you stand for conservatism or you do not. While you may have a valid point, it is in my DNA to respect my parents. How do you respectfully tell your usually character-driven parent that his decision to support Obama, no matter what, is rooted in racism and a refusal to forgive?

But now that Obama has been exposed as the most anti-Christian president in U.S. history, senior black Christians must no longer be given a pass for supporting this man.

At stake....

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: blackchurch; blackvote; christianvote; lloydmarcus; marriage; racism
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To: Waryone
It should be easier because blacks tend to be more anti-gay agenda than whites and don’t have the guilt other people seem to have about being against gay marriage

It "should" be but it isn't. Moxst African americans see themselves as Black first. Look at all the Black Busninesses that were destroyed in the LA Riots. Obama could Murder their father,steal their money, sleep with their sister, while having his clothes washed by their mother and most would still say "Hey give the Brother another chance."

41 posted on 08/28/2012 4:51:03 AM PDT by verga (Forced to remove tag line by administrator)
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To: Elsie
Sadly; some Catholics have completely forsaken their Christianity for Obama; as well as a lot of other folks who had very little knowledge of what they 'believed'.

OOps...

Sadly; some Catholics have completely forsaken their Christianity for Obama MORMONism; as well as a lot of other folks who had very little knowledge of what they 'believed'.

42 posted on 08/28/2012 4:56:07 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: bert

Geet on the grill.


43 posted on 08/28/2012 4:57:15 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: verga

About 90% of African-Americans will place the god of black racism above any other.

The black racist makes most white racists look like a flower child.

If you work for the government in a job that engages affirmative action hires, you will get your eyes opened ———fast.


44 posted on 08/28/2012 4:58:00 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: bert

Geet on the grill.


46 posted on 08/28/2012 5:00:34 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: bert
and the snake handlers

I gots onea dem!!


47 posted on 08/28/2012 5:02:46 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: muir_redwoods
Now you’re waffling by changing your words to mean “sin”.

MORMONism has 'changed' a LOT of words of Christianity to mean something else.

Would a list of some of them be ok?

48 posted on 08/28/2012 5:04:17 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: F15Eagle
And I’m still expecting some sort of September-October Surprise from Bammy if he thinks he’s gonna lose.

I'm waiting for revelation out of Tampa by someone who thinks he's gonna win.

49 posted on 08/28/2012 5:06:26 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Matthew 12:34
50 posted on 08/28/2012 5:15:44 AM PDT by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: Elsie

The issue I raised was against a claim that Romney committed crimes. Only a list of those crimes (as I said, not doctrinal differences) or a retraction of that claim will do.


51 posted on 08/28/2012 5:34:58 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Hopey changey Low emission unicorns and a crap sandwich)
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To: Hoodat
Matthew 12:34 Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

 

 

Now THIS is a really interesting really to --->  Along with the followers of a FALSE prophet/teacher.

 




For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
 
HMMMmmm...
 
 



"Now the way he translated was he put the urim and thummim into his hat and Darkned his Eyes than he would take a sentance and it would apper in Brite Roman Letters. Then he would tell the writer and he would write it. Then that would go away the next sentance would Come and so on. But if it was not Spelt rite it would not go away till it was rite, so we see it was marvelous. Thus was the hol [whole] translated."
---Joseph Knight's journal.


"In writing for your father I frequently wrote day after day, often sitting at the table close by him, he sitting with his face buried in his hat, with the stone in it, and dictating hour after hour with nothing between us."
(History of the RLDS Church, 8 vols.
(Independence, Missouri: Herald House,1951),
"Last Testimony of Sister Emma [Smith Bidamon]," 3:356.

"I, as well as all of my father's family, Smith's wife, Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris, were present during the translation. . . . He [Joseph Smith] did not use the plates in translation."
---(David Whitmer,
as published in the "Kansas City Journal," June 5, 1881,
and reprinted in the RLDS "Journal of History", vol. 8, (1910), pp. 299-300.

In an 1885 interview, Zenas H. Gurley, then the editor of the RLDS Saints Herald, asked Whitmer if Joseph had used his "Peep stone" to do the translation. Whitmer replied:

"... he used a stone called a "Seers stone," the "Interpreters" having been taken away from him because of transgression. The "Interpreters" were taken from Joseph after he allowed Martin Harris to carry away the 116 pages of Ms [manuscript] of the Book of Mormon as a punishment, but he was allowed to go on and translate by use of a "Seers stone" which he had, and which he placed in a hat into which he buried his face, stating to me and others that the original character appeared upon parchment and under it the translation in English."


"Martin Harris related an incident that occurred during the time that he wrote that portion of the translation of the Book of Mormon which he was favored to write direct from the mouth of the Prophet Joseph Smith. He said that the Prophet possessed a seer stone, by which he was enabled to translate as well as from the Urim and Thummim, and for convenience he then used the seer stone, Martin explained the translation as follows: By aid of the seer stone, sentences would appear and were read by the Prophet and written by Martin and when finished he would say 'Written,' and if correctly written that sentence would disappear and another appear in its place, but if not written correctly it remained until corrected, so that the translation was just as it was engraven on the plates, precisely in the language then used."
(Edward Stevenson, "One of the Three Witnesses,"
reprinted from Deseret News, 30 Nov. 1881
in Millennial Star, 44 (6 Feb. 1882): 86-87.)

In 1879, Michael Morse, Emma Smith's brother-in-law, stated:
"When Joseph was translating the Book of Mormon [I] had occasion more than once to go into his immediate presence, and saw him engaged at his work of translation. The mode of procedure consisted in Joseph's placing the Seer Stone in the crown of a hat, then putting his face into the hat, so as to entirely cover his face, resting his elbows upon his knees, and then dictating word after word, while the scribes Emma, John Whitmer, O. Cowdery, or some other wrote it down."
(W.W. Blair interview with Michael Morse,
Saints Herald, vol. 26, no. 12
June 15, 1879, pp. 190-91.)


Joseph Smith's brother William also testified to the "face in the hat" version:
"The manner in which this was done was by looking into the Urim and Thummim, which was placed in a hat to exclude the light, (the plates lying near by covered up), and reading off the translation, which appeared in the stone by the power of God"
("A New Witness for Christ in America,"
Francis W. Kirkham, 2:417.)


"The manner in which he pretended to read and interpret was the same manner as when he looked for the money-diggers, with the stone in his hat, while the book of plates were at the same time hid in the woods."
---Isaac Hale (Emma Smith's father's) affidavit, 1834.



 


52 posted on 08/28/2012 6:44:34 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: muir_redwoods

I see...


53 posted on 08/28/2012 6:45:36 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Nice asp.


54 posted on 08/28/2012 6:46:25 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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To: Elsie

http://www.google.com/search?q=what+crime+has+he+committed+jesus&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7ADRA_enUS475


55 posted on 08/28/2012 6:47:05 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: muir_redwoods

Romneys ‘crimes; are almost identical to Obamas, just on a state scale rather than a national scale.

Wrote and signed into law a mandatory health care system that mandtaes suport for abortion - Check

Supports and signed law making same-sex marriage legal - Check

Supports and signed laws liberalizing abortions - Check

Appointed liberal judges - Check.

Just for starters.

They are the same political animal, only Romney doesn’t necessarily ‘hate’ this country.


56 posted on 08/28/2012 7:17:08 AM PDT by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: muir_redwoods

Sin is a crime - against God. and crime is a sin. Same same.

You asked for a list and RECEIVED it. Now you wish to try to split hairs.

There are none so blind that Will Not see.


57 posted on 08/28/2012 7:25:17 AM PDT by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: verga

It does not help that the choice is between two gay agenda lovers. Even when black Christians decide not to vote for Obama because he’s gone too far, they still have no reason to vote republican.

Many black people went out of their way to eat at Chick-Fil-A. Romney could not be bothered. If the republicans provide no alternative to the democrats, they should not be surprised when no one wants to vote for them.


58 posted on 08/28/2012 7:32:42 AM PDT by Waryone (Definition of idiocy: nominating the father of socialized medicine to replace socialized medicine)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Black chrstians sold out a long time ago. They look upon a higher critical liberal who rejected all the chrstian dogmas (MLK Jr.) as their "messiah."

The Byzantines once declared they would rather see the Turkish turban than the Latin miter in Constantinople. Centuries later chrstians are still divided along ethnic lines, preferring their enemies to each other.

59 posted on 08/28/2012 8:03:36 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: RoadGumby

If your lawyer told you you were committing a crime would you imagine it was a theological discussion? Don’t quibble, you sound like a democrat.

An assertion was made that crimes were committed by Romney. I asked for proof, a citation of the source of this charge or a retraction. So far none has been offered except asinine waffling. This is beneath honest people.


60 posted on 08/28/2012 8:43:46 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Hopey changey Low emission unicorns and a crap sandwich)
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