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Rules to double U.S. fuel economy to 54.5 mpg by 2024
http://money.cnn.com/2012/08/28/autos/fuel-economy-rules/index.html?iid=HP_LN&hpt=hp_t3 ^

Posted on 08/28/2012 8:15:42 PM PDT by TigerClaws

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To: TigerClaws
One big problem with all this is that the CAFE requirements are in conflict with EPA requirements. I had a 1993 Geo Metro five door hatchback five speed that could get 49 miles per gallon. The EPA came along and forced the addition of pollution equipment onto the new vehicles and today's equivalent, the Chevrolet Aveo, can only muster 38 miles per gallon. The technology exists to get small cars that can do 60-70 miles per gallon, but they cannot be built because of government regulations. People may remember that the very first Honda hybrids were getting 70 mpg until new pollution regulations went into affect. Now those same vehicles can't do more than 48 miles per gallon. This is a great lesson in the stupidity of government.
41 posted on 08/28/2012 10:35:46 PM PDT by Jay Redhawk (Zombies are just intelligent, good looking democrats.)
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To: Bshaw
No thanks, I’ll keep my wife and kids rolling in my HUMMER for as along as I can!

Same here ... and pay for it with increased prices to my customers (aka "inflation", which is what this all really is) and/or not give as many raises to employees.

42 posted on 08/28/2012 10:37:22 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: montanajoe

Dependence on foreign oil is the one thing that could be accomplished by a change of the rules. Congress needs to lead, follow or get out of the way. Drill, baby, drill!

The EPA needs to be abolished or made subservient to each individual state’s department of commerce. Same applies to the NHTSA. Let each do research and give recommendations. If the public wants to “Go Green” then they can purchase a vehicle with meets those specifications. Just don’t mandate that you cannot buy anything not EPA or NHTSA approved.

Lastly, there must be Tort reform. Nowadays products are designed to avoid litigation, not to be the best possible at fulling its intended purpose.


43 posted on 08/28/2012 10:38:05 PM PDT by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: TigerClaws

They can’t make laws out this far. These are just rules, and in no/way are they etched in some, they must be chamged. It’s just too much for functional powerful vehicles. Of course govt vehicles would be exempt because they’d need real vehicles that actually can do hard work without breaking down.


44 posted on 08/28/2012 10:41:45 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: ltc8k6

Well they said 54.5 MPG in the article.


45 posted on 08/28/2012 10:42:43 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: MrShoop

The Origami 3000.


46 posted on 08/28/2012 10:44:25 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: BwanaNdege
Actually its more Frac baby Frac...

We need nuclear in the north and solar in the south.

I'm for any energy source that will give us 100% energy independence. I see it as one front in the WOT.

47 posted on 08/28/2012 10:47:14 PM PDT by montanajoe (Blame Flame Shame or Beg I won't vote for R/R)
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To: TigerClaws

Again, another perfect example of liberal solutions that go against nature. Nobody wants to drive unsafe eggshells,yet this is what the libs think is the best solution ever. They ignore the problems that are made worse by their solution because their solution outweighs them - ends justify the means and if that means more people die in lighter,more crushable cars then they’ve found another way to reduce the population too.


48 posted on 08/28/2012 10:47:51 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: TigerClaws

Duh, regulate all you want, but you can’t regulate F = m X a.


49 posted on 08/28/2012 10:48:45 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: 43north

The EPA doesn’t want diesel passenger vehicles on the US market. Their claim is that NOx emissions are too hard to control. High thermal efficieny creates more NOx emissions. The EPA isn’t interested in fuel efficieny, only emissions. The engine control systems on vehicles are designed for reducing emissions, at the expense of fuel economy, no fre lunch there. Otherwise, the fed regulations overall are the largest cause of poor fuel economy.


50 posted on 08/28/2012 10:50:55 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: TigerClaws

Let’s also declare the speed of sound to be 10,000 miles an hour.


51 posted on 08/28/2012 11:36:44 PM PDT by jimfree (In Nov 2012 my 12 y/o granddaughter has more relevant&quality executive experience than Barack Obama)
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To: jimfree

And our new official language will be Swedish.


52 posted on 08/28/2012 11:48:51 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: TigerClaws

I was wondering what could make cars get better mileage. Now I know, Obama’s rules. The little god of almighty government has spoken.


53 posted on 08/28/2012 11:59:00 PM PDT by pallis
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To: dsrtsage; LaserJock
Think, "sustainable communities."
54 posted on 08/29/2012 1:03:15 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: BwanaNdege; montanajoe

>>The amount of energy in a gallon of gas has not changed.

Actually, that is not true, from a practical perspective. With ethanol mandates, gas is really 10% ethanol today. BTU content of ethanol is 2/3rds that of gasoline by volume, so that gallon of “gas” that you buy today is down about 3.3% on energy content from that gallon you bought in the 60s.


55 posted on 08/29/2012 1:54:36 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Jay Redhawk
You hit right on the problem there, JR.

What we have in the U.S. government is a combination of three separate bureaucracies whose "mandates" for passenger vehicles are frequently at odds with each other. EPA pollution-reduction requirements directly conflict with fuel-efficiency standards, and fuel-efficiency standards are effectively at odds with NHTSA vehicle safety standards (since smaller vehicles are less safe, and the additional weight required for safety devices increases fuel consumption).

It's important to remember that none of these Federal agencies are really interested in vehicle safety, fuel efficiency, or air quality. These ever-changing regulations are nothing more than a long-term campaign of "forced absolescence" aimed at propping up the nation's auto industry. If someone invented a car that was rated at 500 mpg, you can be sure some bureaucrat in Washington would find plenty of things "wrong" with it.

56 posted on 08/29/2012 3:05:58 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: BwanaNdege
The amount of energy in a gallon of gas has not changed.

Actually it has decreased when you consider how we are diluting the gasoline with ethanol -- which, by the way, is due to increase from 10 percent to 15. Wonder if these geniuses have factored that into their calculations?

Ethanol is a short-chain molecule. Fewer carbon bonds to break equals less energy.

57 posted on 08/29/2012 3:09:09 AM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: Secret Agent Man
They can’t make laws out this far.

That's exactly right. The Federal government instituted a mandate for train locomotives a few years ago, under which all locomotives on passenger trains, and on freight trains that share tracks with passenger trains, are required to be instrumented with electronic systems that override the train controls when collisions are imminent. It was a nice idea, but it's costing the railroad industry billions of dollars to implement it ... and the locomotive industry has openly acknowledged that it can't produce new equipment and retrofit old equipment fast enough to meet the government-imposed 2016 deadline for compliance.

This is how you get to a situation where laws are mostly ignored -- even by law-abiding people.

58 posted on 08/29/2012 3:10:32 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: TigerClaws

To some people, all-electric means infinite MPG. It’s certainly an easy way to get your product line average to 54.5.


59 posted on 08/29/2012 3:39:05 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: TigerClaws

Well, as long as they are trying to legislate physics, why don’t they just regulate perpetual motion into existence? Think how much energy could be saved then...


60 posted on 08/29/2012 4:16:39 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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