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Another preview of what is coming here if ObamaCare is not repealed. This is a War on Women. The guideline about shoveling women into midwives will result in women dying from childbirth as they do not have immediate access to the proper medical facilities if things go wrong.
1 posted on 08/31/2012 6:03:38 AM PDT by C19fan
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And an abortion would be much cheaper than the entire birth process. That will be next. “You are too poor to have a baby, or too old to have a baby. You should get an abortion.”


2 posted on 08/31/2012 6:08:56 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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any family doctor who has not given birth should shove a watermelon where the sun don’t shine and push it out “naturally”

Then give advice on painkillers


3 posted on 08/31/2012 6:11:01 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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For opening ceremony at olympics they should shown a woman about to give birth tied down to the bedposts with a rag in her mouth with a midwife just standing there. Celebrate that.


4 posted on 08/31/2012 6:14:05 AM PDT by plain talk
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>>>This is a War on Women.>>>

You just came up with our war cry! Voting for Obama is voting for A WAR ON WOMEN!


5 posted on 08/31/2012 6:16:59 AM PDT by kitkat
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I thought it was all about a woman’s right to choose.


7 posted on 08/31/2012 6:22:25 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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Right on. But for the favored constituencies like people wanting abortions, sex change operations, treatment for ailments resulting from drug abuse or promiscuous lifestyles, nobody will be trying to talk them out of making choices that could save healthcare $.


8 posted on 08/31/2012 6:23:19 AM PDT by TropicanaRose
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Oh the irony. With my second child, I managed to find a rather famous midwife to the Amish community. As an RN working in a related area, I wanted a midwife, not a “deliver you on my schedule” doctor. Talk about being ostracized! Then I got pregnant in a Commonwealth country with socialized medicine. I was over 40 so I was “high risk.” In a city of 3 million people, I could only find 2 OBs. My option for care was pretty much only a midwife. They also didn’t do regular pap smears, breast exams, etc., and no doubt we’ll see lots of “studies” released now about how we don’t really need them.


9 posted on 08/31/2012 6:23:43 AM PDT by pops88 (Standing with Breitbart for truth.)
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Ha ha, my wife would have told them where to stick that needle. That epidural saved MY life when our son was being born.


10 posted on 08/31/2012 6:25:57 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (I'm a constitutionalist, not a libertarian. Huge difference.)
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I am sure that the NHS also has “guidelines” for the treatment of high risk newborns ....neonatal intensive care is expensive you know... and many infants that would be in a NICU in the US and survive are likely simply allowed to die in the UK because treating them would be too expensive.


13 posted on 08/31/2012 6:27:39 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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It's one thing to choose to go natural.

It's quite another for the government to force a woman to go natural whether she wants to or not.

My mother was one of the first of the Grantly Dick-Read 'natural childbirth' mothers in this country. She had to shop around to find an OB who would agree to let her deliver without drugs.

My OB for my first baby had been a very gung-ho natural childbirth advocate as a young doctor, but with experience he concluded that it had to be the mother's informed choice. We talked it over and decided to give it a try. Everything went swimmingly; it was a rapid, uneventful, and reasonably comfortable delivery. The bonus was that I strolled out of recovery on my own two feet, and was happily cruising around the next morning when the other ladies who had been in labor at the same time were nursing epidural headaches.

But I had a choice. And if somebody is pressured into delivering without drugs, and without the necessary Lamaze training, they will have a hideous and painful experience, because fear = tension = pain.

14 posted on 08/31/2012 6:28:22 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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Nothing has changed since I had my child at a London Hospital over 12 years ago. Back then they were pushing for woman to give birth at home with a mid wife. If there were any “problems” you could call an ambulance or drive to the hospital.


17 posted on 08/31/2012 6:30:50 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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With Obamacare, coat hangers might be reintroduced as a cost-cutting move for some procedures...

Of course, that depends on who gets the coathanger concession.

18 posted on 08/31/2012 6:34:01 AM PDT by Bernard ("He that is good for making excuses is seldom good for anything else' - Benjamin Franklin)
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Socialism leads to more poverty and pain and suffering and misery wherever it is tried.


20 posted on 08/31/2012 6:42:02 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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My frugal mother turned one down back in the day to save $35. Fee for service works.


21 posted on 08/31/2012 6:44:57 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I love to watch you talk talk talk, but I hate what I hear you say."-Del Shannon)
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Epidurals ARE more expensive, and take more skill to administer. However, they have big advantages: in childbirth, an epidural does not anesthetize the newborn, who is born lively, and usually starts breathing on his own. The mother also recovers more rapidly.

I (a male) had an epidural for major surgery, because my doctor recommended it. Even then, I had to make arrangements for it beforehand: I had to call the chief or surgery at the hospital, and ask for an epidural. I explained why I wanted it, and he emphatically agreed, but in that hospital the anesthesiologist is assigned only at the last minute, and not all of them do epidurals. Usually only the Board-certified can do it. The chief promised me that he would appoint one of the qualified anesthesiologists, or else he would step in and take my case himself. And so it was that I had an epidural, and awoke from surgery with no nausea, feeling weak, but very hungry (which is to be expected, because they generally make the patient fast beforehand). I got out of the hospital in the shortest possible time.

I am not sure that I would want an epidural in England, because their healthcare system is rickety. Improperly administered, an epidural can be dangerous.

Actually, if I were in England and needed medical care, I would get back to the States as quickly as possible!


23 posted on 08/31/2012 7:04:25 AM PDT by docbnj
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I try to talk women out of epidurals because every woman I know who ever had one during delivery was complaining about back pain ten, twenty and thirty years later.


24 posted on 08/31/2012 7:06:30 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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Ah, come on, EVERYONE KNOWS that this is all just Anti-Obama lying propaganda! Yeah, everyone who has drank his cool-aide.

Sarc-off.


26 posted on 08/31/2012 7:14:30 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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