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Doctors told to try and talk women giving birth out of having epidurals to save NHS money
UK Daily Mail ^ | August 31, 2012 | Sophie Borland

Posted on 08/31/2012 6:03:33 AM PDT by C19fan

Family doctors are being told to try to talk women out of having Caesareans and very strong painkillers during birth to save the NHS money. New guidelines drawn up for GPs urge them to encourage women to have natural labours with as little medical help as possible. But for many women the prospect of giving birth without the painkillers is unthinkable. And critics have said the move has been made without any thought for the women themselves. The guidelines also remind doctors to tell women to consider having their babies outside hospital in midwife-run units or in their own homes.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: nhs; obamacarefuture; women
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Another preview of what is coming here if ObamaCare is not repealed. This is a War on Women. The guideline about shoveling women into midwives will result in women dying from childbirth as they do not have immediate access to the proper medical facilities if things go wrong.
1 posted on 08/31/2012 6:03:38 AM PDT by C19fan
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And an abortion would be much cheaper than the entire birth process. That will be next. “You are too poor to have a baby, or too old to have a baby. You should get an abortion.”


2 posted on 08/31/2012 6:08:56 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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any family doctor who has not given birth should shove a watermelon where the sun don’t shine and push it out “naturally”

Then give advice on painkillers


3 posted on 08/31/2012 6:11:01 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: C19fan

For opening ceremony at olympics they should shown a woman about to give birth tied down to the bedposts with a rag in her mouth with a midwife just standing there. Celebrate that.


4 posted on 08/31/2012 6:14:05 AM PDT by plain talk
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>>>This is a War on Women.>>>

You just came up with our war cry! Voting for Obama is voting for A WAR ON WOMEN!


5 posted on 08/31/2012 6:16:59 AM PDT by kitkat
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To: silverleaf

ROTFL


6 posted on 08/31/2012 6:21:15 AM PDT by ladyjane
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I thought it was all about a woman’s right to choose.


7 posted on 08/31/2012 6:22:25 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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Right on. But for the favored constituencies like people wanting abortions, sex change operations, treatment for ailments resulting from drug abuse or promiscuous lifestyles, nobody will be trying to talk them out of making choices that could save healthcare $.


8 posted on 08/31/2012 6:23:19 AM PDT by TropicanaRose
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Oh the irony. With my second child, I managed to find a rather famous midwife to the Amish community. As an RN working in a related area, I wanted a midwife, not a “deliver you on my schedule” doctor. Talk about being ostracized! Then I got pregnant in a Commonwealth country with socialized medicine. I was over 40 so I was “high risk.” In a city of 3 million people, I could only find 2 OBs. My option for care was pretty much only a midwife. They also didn’t do regular pap smears, breast exams, etc., and no doubt we’ll see lots of “studies” released now about how we don’t really need them.


9 posted on 08/31/2012 6:23:43 AM PDT by pops88 (Standing with Breitbart for truth.)
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Ha ha, my wife would have told them where to stick that needle. That epidural saved MY life when our son was being born.


10 posted on 08/31/2012 6:25:57 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (I'm a constitutionalist, not a libertarian. Huge difference.)
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To: plain talk

Women in the 1800’s must have we through serious heck having a baby.


11 posted on 08/31/2012 6:26:15 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Paul Ryan/Rick Santorum 2012....That would be the best scenario ever.)
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To: silverleaf

“My wife delicately pinched my lip between her thumb and forefinger, then pulled it up and completely over my head!”

Bill Cosby on natural child birth.


12 posted on 08/31/2012 6:27:23 AM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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I am sure that the NHS also has “guidelines” for the treatment of high risk newborns ....neonatal intensive care is expensive you know... and many infants that would be in a NICU in the US and survive are likely simply allowed to die in the UK because treating them would be too expensive.


13 posted on 08/31/2012 6:27:39 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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It's one thing to choose to go natural.

It's quite another for the government to force a woman to go natural whether she wants to or not.

My mother was one of the first of the Grantly Dick-Read 'natural childbirth' mothers in this country. She had to shop around to find an OB who would agree to let her deliver without drugs.

My OB for my first baby had been a very gung-ho natural childbirth advocate as a young doctor, but with experience he concluded that it had to be the mother's informed choice. We talked it over and decided to give it a try. Everything went swimmingly; it was a rapid, uneventful, and reasonably comfortable delivery. The bonus was that I strolled out of recovery on my own two feet, and was happily cruising around the next morning when the other ladies who had been in labor at the same time were nursing epidural headaches.

But I had a choice. And if somebody is pressured into delivering without drugs, and without the necessary Lamaze training, they will have a hideous and painful experience, because fear = tension = pain.

14 posted on 08/31/2012 6:28:22 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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They did. And they frequently died.


15 posted on 08/31/2012 6:28:57 AM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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It's worse than you think.

A baby below a certain birthweight, or below a certain gestational age, or who dies within 48 hours, is not even counted as a "live birth".

THAT is why the U.S. child mortality statistics look so bad, compared with Britain and the rest of Europe. They do not count the high-risk newborns as births at all. Easy to look good if you cook the numbers.

16 posted on 08/31/2012 6:30:33 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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Nothing has changed since I had my child at a London Hospital over 12 years ago. Back then they were pushing for woman to give birth at home with a mid wife. If there were any “problems” you could call an ambulance or drive to the hospital.


17 posted on 08/31/2012 6:30:50 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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With Obamacare, coat hangers might be reintroduced as a cost-cutting move for some procedures...

Of course, that depends on who gets the coathanger concession.

18 posted on 08/31/2012 6:34:01 AM PDT by Bernard ("He that is good for making excuses is seldom good for anything else' - Benjamin Franklin)
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Mostly they didn't die from the birth.

Complications such as post-partum infection ('childbed fever') were the real killers. And doctors who weren't real clear on the germ theory of disease and didn't practice rigorous sanitation were the No. 1 problem.

There's a great old popular medical book from the 20s by a doctor - can't recall his name at the moment. But he noted that the patients at the lying-in hospital in Jena in the 18th century had a mortality rate of one hundred percent.

My great-great-great grandfather was a prolific sort, he had 17 children by two wives. His first wife didn't die in childbirth - she died of typhoid fever.

19 posted on 08/31/2012 6:38:44 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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Socialism leads to more poverty and pain and suffering and misery wherever it is tried.


20 posted on 08/31/2012 6:42:02 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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