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Training of new Afghan recruits suspended, vetting process renewed
WaPo, via Stars & Stripes ^ | September 2, 2012 | Greg Jaffe and Kevin Sieff

Posted on 09/02/2012 7:35:37 AM PDT by Timber Rattler

The senior commander for Special Operations forces in Afghanistan has suspended training for all new Afghan recruits until the more than 27,000 Afghan troops working with his command can be re-vetted for ties to the insurgency.

The move comes as NATO officials struggle to stem the tide of attacks on NATO forces by their Afghan colleagues. The attacks, which have killed 45 troops this year, have forced NATO officials to acknowledge a painful truth: Many of the incidents might have been prevented if existing security measures had been applied correctly.

But numerous military guidelines were not followed — by Afghans or Americans — because of concerns that they might slow the growth of the Afghan army and police, according to NATO officials.

(Excerpt) Read more at stripes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; isaf; nato; obama; obamaswar; obamaswars; taliban
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To: Gaffer

hussein can’t even spell ROE let alone come up with a reasonable set. His are far more about appearances (big surprise) and political correctness than about military common sense.


21 posted on 09/02/2012 8:42:58 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Timber Rattler

In a culture where deceit and corruption is a way of life, and religious fervor and tribal pride demands atrocities, how are we supposed to “vet” anybody?

Unless by “vet” you mean “put them down like a rabid dog”.


22 posted on 09/02/2012 9:08:04 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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But numerous military guidelines were not followed — by Afghans or Americans — because of concerns that they might slow the growth of the Afghan army and police, according to NATO officials.

Obama's fault. They're trying to meet his political timetable.

23 posted on 09/02/2012 9:17:19 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Election night is 64 days away.)
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To: Timber Rattler
We started the insane trend of not allowing our guys to kill the enemy at will during Nam - it has slowly "evolved" to the point that we insist on disarming them until enough of them get killed so we can demonstrate "compassion" to the enemy. It sickens me that we punish our heros for doing their job and laud them, in death, for exercising "restraint".

The "blackest mark" against Col West is that he "erred" on the side of his troops - that makes him a real hero in my eyes.

24 posted on 09/02/2012 9:19:16 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: Timber Rattler

The goal of “building a relationship” is run-of-the-mill PC liberal claptrap. Some liberal who got through West Point came up with that one. We’re not there to make friends. That should never be the goal. We’re there to command obedience and instill fear if necessary. Afghan troops and police should never work side-by-side with American boys. And recreation with them?... Fuhgeddaboudit. They should only be allowed near our boys when they are out front, well downrange and out-numbered.

Vetting is another liberal joke. Are you going to vet a pitful of vipers in an attempt to figure out which ones won’t bite you? Please. Here’s LibWhacker’s vetting procedure: Our boys should make a big show of frequently burning or urinating on Korans, or telling loud jokes about smelly mohammadans. Anyone who doesn’t laugh or begins twitching, shoot ‘em dead on the spot. That’s not some armchair tough guy’s approach. We’re never going to be friends with these people. Demand respect and obedience. They actually expect that from us.


25 posted on 09/02/2012 9:27:22 AM PDT by LibWhacker (block)
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To: Timber Rattler

Vetting Afghan’s for military activities with NATO forces is like vetting Palestinians for military activities with the Isreali Defense Forces - it can’t be done.

The cultural and political trails of ethnic identity, and loyalty to it, clan identity and loyalty to it, Taliban and Taliban-like sentiment, and loyalty to it, crisscross and intersect like a spider’s web in Afghan culture.

It is impossible to vet an Afghan - “to appraise, verify, or check for accuracy, authenticity, validity” of an Afghan’s loyalties - in that spider’s web.

I believe that Western military leaders who say it can be done are either lying to us, lying to themselves, or ignorant (not knowing or not accepting what they know about the Afghan culture); and in either case unwilling to face the facts.

I believe that no matter how hard the West believes in it’s mission, a majority of Afghan’s do not, even among those who operate, and without treachery, as our allies.

I believe that once we are gone, a civil war period much like the 1990s will resume. Meanwhile the young Afghan men join up for the Afghan military, to get the training that they will put to use, when we are gone, and not in concert with each other, but in concert with whomever they share their true ethnic, clan or religious loyalties as their first loyalty.

The minority of Afghan’s who would really like to avoid that and who want first and foremost a “modern” Afghanistan will become the West’s latest political refugees, as their dreams die with our departure.

Will Romney admit this, and “let go”. He should. He does not have to own the project Bush and Obama worked for.

For our brave troops, it’s a sad fact. They still deserve honor for their noble and loyal service. They did what their nation asked of them. They are not responsible for the choices made for them.


26 posted on 09/02/2012 9:58:32 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: taillightchaser
"Thank you Mr Odumbo for bungling another area of your responsibility and letting our troops get killed. FOR NO DAMN REASON!!!!!"

I'm sure he and his cronies look upon these deaths as "workplace violence," just like they said the Fort Hood massacre was. I just pray I live long enough to finally see the truths about Obama and his administration come fully to light.

27 posted on 09/02/2012 10:18:19 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: newzjunkey
Obama's fault. They're trying to meet his political timetable.

Precisely. They're letting things slip to meet Obama's artificial deadline, and our people are dying because of it.

28 posted on 09/02/2012 1:49:03 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler

Gee, now what rocket scientist figured out that armed Afghan “allies” are a threat to our guys? Duh.


29 posted on 09/02/2012 6:22:48 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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