Ruh roh Scooby ..
If this does turn out to be proven to be a major fraud perpetrated upon the America people ?
Can we sue them for 4 trillion dollars ?
Posted on 09/03/2012 7:39:43 PM PDT by tsowellfan
'For any party official to do so would be to perjure him or herself'
A former U.S. Justice Department attorney who founded the government watchdog Judicial Watch and later Freedom Watch has warned a key Barack Obama attorney that Democrat Party or state elections officials certifying Obama’s eligibility for the 2012 election could become the targets of election-fraud charges.
The letter from Larry Klayman explains that’s because those officials simply cannot know Obama’s eligibility for sure, and the law doesn’t allow them to make assumptions.
In his letter to Robert Bauer, general counsel to the Democratic National Committee, Klayman explained that the evidence shows no one knows for sure about Obama’s eligibility, so letters from the DNC to states about Obama’s 2012 candidacy may be problematic.
“There is therefore no longer any state or national official in the Democratic Party who can escape legal responsibility for ignoring the proof herein provided, and a plea of ignorance of the facts will no longer be possible...
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
Sorry, butterdezillion, but Onaka did NOT say that, “Obama does not have a legally valid birth certificate in Hawaii.” Please cite your source for this statement.
I was absolutely astounded when I realized that Onaka had told the truth. He’s the guy at the very middle of this and I’m sure there is tremendous pressure (threats?) on him. But he didn’t fold. It would have been so easy. EVERYBODY would have given him a pass. But he didn’t.
My whole view of America, and the effectiveness of checks and balances, has been decimated by the past 4 years.
And then there’s Alvin Onaka.
Whatever compelled him to speak the truth just might compel some of these other people. In 2008 they could honestly have believed that Fukino confirmed a Hawaii birth for Obama - assuming that she was referring to a legally valid record even though she never said that. No matter what evidence of forgery came up, there was always that. They don’t have that legal cover any more. Fukino’s fig leaf has been pulled away through Onaka’s disclosure, and all that’s left is the naked truth for all the world to see: The emperor is really and truly naked.
Could be why Romney “joked” about it a couple weeks ago.
Klayman’s letter said he was sending out letters to the DNC Executive Committee (who are in charge of the Certification of Nomination), each state dem party chair (who submit the OCON’s to the state SOS for inclusion on the ballot), the state SOS’s (who decide who can be on the ballot), the state AG’s (who would prosecute fraud and perjury perpetrated on their state), and the Commission on Presidential Debates (who decide who gets invited to the debates - with the first of 3 criteria being that there has to be evidence of eligibility).
If all those people receive these letters, the answer to your question is yes - they will make their decisions after getting this heads up.
At that point we find out who believes in the rule of law, and who doesn’t. And it’s not just the possibility of being sent to jail that looms ahead. Who would re-elect an AG who knew that crimes of this magnitude were being perpetrated and refused to do anything about it? How could that person say that they can be trusted to protect the people of their state?
We will find out whether the people have any real checks and balances. In a way, the system is officially on trial beginning now. We need to apply pressure to these people, to see if the system is functioning AT ALL.
Butterdezillion, I saw your reply to other Freepers and read your blog site. I think you are really stretching with your inference that Onaka said there was no legally valid birth certificate. JMHO
The certification letters do not address this issue. The previous certification letter provided to the states said nothing bout qualifications or constitutional compliance.
The letter merely certified that Barack Obama was/is the candidate duly nominated by the Democratic national Convention and should be placed on the state ballot.
If the issue is again sidestepped in a similar manner the Clayman charge is meaningless.
Is it really $35,00!0,000? That’s a real gift to Romney. Obama- champion of the middle class - fleeing the Chicago home he purchased through a felon to live like a one percenter in Hawaii. Talk about a silver platter
It’s explained at http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2012/09/02/onaka-confirms-obamas-bc-is-non-valid/
What a person does not say is every bit as important as what they do say - especially when they are required by law to verify whatever can legally be verified. The legal difference between saying or not saying that a claim is verified as true... is the whole point of doing the verification.
Onaka verified NONE of the items from the actual verification application, even though he did verify that the claims from that form match what is on their record. The only legal reason for him to do that is if their record is not legally valid so that he CANNOT certify that the event really happened that way even though that is what their record claims.
To understand the verification you can’t just look at what he said. You have to look at what he was asked to verify, the rules he was required to follow, and what he ended up actually verifying. Input. Processing. Output.
When you look at all those things the only logical conclusion is that he confirmed that the record they have is not legally valid - as shown above and at the link I gave.
What other reason does HRS 338-14.3 allow for him to fail to verify Obama’s gender, date of birth, city of birth, island of birth, mother’s name, and father’s name?
Explain your legal reasoning.
“Duly chosen” means that he was chosen in compliance with all the rules of the DNC. And the DNC charter and by-laws require the candidate to be Constitutionally eligible.
In 2008 the DNC tried to claim that they have the state parties verify eligiility. But that excuse doesn’t work because the Hawaii Democratic Party took a whole line of text out of their Certification of Nomination (including the legally-required certification that this was the candidate of the HDP specifically) in their haste to get rid of the “Constitutionally-eligible” language. So if they were looking to see whether the HDP had vetted Obama’s eligibility, the DNC promptly ignored what the HDP was telling them: that they would NOT certify his eligibility.
This time it is now publicly known by EVERYBODY that there is not a soul on this continent who can LAWFULLY claim that Obama is eligible, because it is known that he has no legally-established birth facts. There is no legally-valid record to tell us even how old the guy is. And there never will be a probative record to tell us that until Obama submits his nonvalid BC as evidence and has its probative value determined based on all the evidence regarding the veracity of it and its claims.
So even if the DNC claimed that the state parties had vetted Obama’s eligibility, it is an open fact that not one person CAN lawfully claim that Obama is even old enough.
This changes everything because it’s out in the wide open now, and people have to do something with that fact.
I really don’t follow your reasoning. I think you are reading too much into this.
Bennett asked DOH to explicitly verify twelve items (request letter dated March 30), in addition to what he listed on his verification request. Onaka responded with a page verifying the twelve items Bennett requested, and the statement, “...I verify that the information in the copy of the Certificate of Live Birth for Mr. Obama that you attached with your request matches the original record in our files.” Onaka included the wording, “I certify that the information contained in the vital record on file with the Department of Health was used to verify the facts of the vital event.”
My reading on this is that Onaka did indeed verify that the birth facts presented on the COLB copy match what is on file in Hawaii. However, Onaka did not confirm that the COLB attached to Bennett’s request was a true and correct copy, as Bennett requested. I can think of a couple of possible reasons for this:
1. Onaka felt that the image was insufficiently like the copy on record to be described as “true and correct.” This could be due to distortions in printing, color changes, etc.
2. There is something factually different (amendment stamp?) about the copy Bennett supplied.
It is truly remarkable that Obama and company have been able to get away with such blatant disregard for our laws and constitution. God bless those who continue to fight for the truth.
I pray that at the very least that history will sort out the facts one day. Our country deserves the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
“post a message to Mr. K asking him to find my number on his phone and call or email butterdezillion? It is very urgent.” - Butter
“post a message to Mr. K asking him to find my number on his phone and call or email butterdezillion? It is very urgent.” - Butter
“post a message to Mr. K asking him to find my number on his phone and call or email butterdezillion? It is very urgent.” - Butter
When does Hawaii need to certify this year?
Remember in 2008 Brian Schatz, current Lt. Gov. and then head of HDP refused to verify Obama and that forced Pelosi’s hand at the national level.
Every SOS and state level Democratic head should pay heed to the fact that those who have access to the records in Hawaii refused to sign on the dotted line in 2008.
do the SOS and AGs in every state have these letters as of today, I wonder??
I assume there were some delivery notifications (return receipts) to Klayman’s office??
Can these elected ‘governmant officials’ now admit that they are in receipt of these letters??
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