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Organic food 'not any healthier'
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Posted on 09/04/2012 6:17:06 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

Organic food 'not any healthier'

Eating organic food will not make you healthier, according to researchers at Stanford University, although it could cut your exposure to pesticides.

They looked at more than 200 studies of the content and associated health gains of organic and non-organic foods.

Overall, there was no discernable difference between the nutritional content, although the organic food was 30% less likely to contain pesticides.

Critics say the work is inconclusive and call for more studies.

The research, published in the journal Annals of Internal Medicine, looked at 17 studies comparing people who ate organic with those who did not and 223 studies that compared the levels of nutrients, bacteria, fungus or pesticides in various foods - including fruits, vegetables, grains, meats, milk and eggs.

None of the human studies ran for longer than two years, making conclusions about long-term outcomes impossible. And all of the available evidence was relatively weak and highly variable - which the authors say is unsurprising because of all the different variables, like weather and soil type, involved.

Fruit and vegetables contained similar amounts of vitamins, and milk the same amount of protein and fat - although a few studies suggested organic milk contained more omega-3.

Organic foods did contain more nitrogen, but the researchers say this is probably due to differences in fertiliser use and ripeness at harvest and is unlikely to provide any health benefit.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: organicfood
But, but, but....
1 posted on 09/04/2012 6:17:10 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

Well, duh! I eat organic when I can BECAUSE OF THE PESTICIDES residue. Only a moron doesn’t know the nutrient content is the same.


2 posted on 09/04/2012 6:19:49 AM PDT by LRoggy (Peter's Son's Business)
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To: Sub-Driver
Just common sense. The “organic” food scam is as stupid and ignorant as the “man made global warming” scam! The only difference is in the dollar magnitude of the scammers on the scamees.
3 posted on 09/04/2012 6:20:38 AM PDT by texican01
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To: Sub-Driver

Organic food means that it was grown in animal crap.

Yum!


4 posted on 09/04/2012 6:25:21 AM PDT by RexBeach (Mr. Obama Can't Count.)
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To: LRoggy
Well, duh! I eat organic when I can BECAUSE OF THE PESTICIDES residue

Exactly..also farmers in the area I grew up are spraying their fields with human poop/sewage from NY. They are supposed to wait several years or so before planting crops in that field but it sure does make everything grow really well...and I wonder if they are really waiting out the time period.

5 posted on 09/04/2012 6:26:22 AM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: RexBeach
Organic food means that it was grown in animal crap. Yum!

Farmers have been doing that for years..that will not hurt you in any way. See my other post on human sewage...that is something I would be concerned about.

6 posted on 09/04/2012 6:28:34 AM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: Sub-Driver
You all seem pretty knowledgable about gardening...

We just purchased several fruit trees for a bargain. However, they seem rather leggy and misshapped. Can I prune them to get low branches on the trees? Call me an "urban gardener."

7 posted on 09/04/2012 6:36:54 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!)
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To: All
duh! I eat organic when I can BECAUSE OF THE PESTICIDES residue.

Organic chemistry is the study of carbon-based compounds, hydrocarbons, and their derivatives. Organic compounds virtually are the basis of all life, including the organisms that have long since composted into petroleum.

Crude oil is, like..."organic"...man!

And so are the derived plastics, drugs, petrochemicals, explosive material, and paints.

8 posted on 09/04/2012 6:41:40 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: Sub-Driver

My wife’s friend buys only organic produce when she shops, and then she b*tches about how much stuff costs these days.

I just snicker when I hear her yapping about it and leave the room. I let my wife explain the facts of life to her for the umpteenth time, but since she supports Obama I can’t see as it will do any good this time either...


9 posted on 09/04/2012 6:45:44 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Sub-Driver
From the other 'organic' not healthier post.

Lol.

'Many of the studies didn't specify their standards for what constituted "organic" food - which can cost as much as twice what conventional food costs - the researchers wrote Monday in the Annals of Internal Medicine.

Oh.

'More than one-third of conventional produce had detectable pesticide residues, compared to seven percent of organic produce samples. And organic chicken and pork was 33 percent less likely to carry bacteria resistant to three or more antibiotics than conventionally-produced meat.'

10 posted on 09/04/2012 6:47:15 AM PDT by Theoria (Romney is a Pyrrhic victory.)
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To: trailhkr1

Yes, I know. Thanks for the post!


11 posted on 09/04/2012 6:52:13 AM PDT by RexBeach (Mr. Obama Can't Count.)
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To: stars & stripes forever; JustaDumbBlonde

These folks might be able to answer your questions....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2911641/posts


12 posted on 09/04/2012 6:54:17 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little. EdmondBurke)
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To: texican01
Dear Texican:

I'm going to respectfully disagree on this one. MMGW is a huge scam, that can be proven and on that we definitely agree; however, my health has improved substantially since I switched to organic vegetables.

I always ate a relatively healthy diet. Lots of fruit, veggies, etc. I noticed a big difference in taste, quality, shelf-life, and my body's reaction to organics. Not ingesting as many pesticides was exactly what my body needed. I had the joints on my hands swell to the point of tearing the skin on my knuckles, chronic pain in my back, digestive problems, and more, all of which abated when I switched to organics.

GM vegetables have the pesticides infused into the seeds; you can't wash it off. Organics you can.

God made the food exactly the way He wanted it and our bodies needed it to survive. No modification is necessary.

You are welcome to disagree, and to not buy organics. I'm glad that they are working for you. Unfortunately, they did not work for me.

13 posted on 09/04/2012 6:54:59 AM PDT by TheWriterTX (Riding the Long-Wave Economic Contraction, Baby!)
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To: RexBeach

“although the organic food was 30% less likely to contain pesticides.” Organic with pesticides, I didn’t think it was allowed to be labeled as organic if it had pesticides.


14 posted on 09/04/2012 6:56:20 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Wealth = Net Worth Income = Net Work)
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To: Sub-Driver

If you want to find the real difference, someday they will do a comparison between store bought food (organic or otherwise) and food you’ve grown yourself. And be prepared for a SHOCK.

The problem with our food supply is that, pretty much unavoidably, it is grown a long way from where it is consumed. The only solution, organic or conventional, is to pick it early and let it ripen on the way. Sadly, some of the best nutrients and flavor gets into the food the last few days it is on the plant. Hence picked early means the cycle is stopped short.

We only have room for a small garden, but the taste difference between what we grow and what we buy is almost unbelievable.


15 posted on 09/04/2012 6:59:20 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: RexBeach

Aren’t all vegtables grown in animal crap? Fertilizer doesn’t come from angels.


16 posted on 09/04/2012 7:08:23 AM PDT by stellaluna
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To: RexBeach

Aren’t all vegtables grown in animal crap? Fertilizer doesn’t come from angels.


17 posted on 09/04/2012 7:08:34 AM PDT by stellaluna
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To: trailhkr1

My grandmother used to use some type of recycled sewage product to grow vibrant, beautiful roses. The bags of this stuff came with big red warning labels indicating it was NOT to be used to fertilize food grown for human consumption.


18 posted on 09/04/2012 7:12:09 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: RexBeach
Organic food means that it was grown in animal crap.

And what do you think soil contains?

If you knew, you'd probably stop eating.

19 posted on 09/04/2012 7:14:21 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
I have used that fertilizer. I bought Mil-organite (poop from Milwakee sp?) and Hou-organite (local poop from Houston) It is good stuff but you need to remember to wash your hands.
20 posted on 09/04/2012 7:17:49 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: stocksthatgoup

“30% less likely to contain pesticides.”


I wonder if it’s only 30% because some pesticide blows over from neighboring non-organic farms when they are sprayed.

Also, some non-organic items contain little or no pesticides, anyway, so the difference between organic and non-organic on those foods would be small.


21 posted on 09/04/2012 7:22:58 AM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: stellaluna

I can’t resist... Jewish mysticism describes the “Downchaining of worlds...” Basically, trying to bridge the gap between all-powerful, infinite G-d...and lowly, physical planet/inhabitants. It’s also known as Kabbala.

THE POINT: that a lower level comes from the “waste” of the upper level. And the statement in this discipline is literlly that physicality comes from the “excrement” of angels. In fact, a Russian chassidic desciple came to New York City in the early 20th century, saw the skyscrapers and said, “The angels really crapped big here...”

I just had to relate the story. Oh, and I eat mostly organic, by virtue of Mrs Phinneous. I tend to believe anecdotally in what the proponents of organic say...while she reads up about the studies on it. Our kids seem, thank G-d, very healthy in terms of lack of ear infections, colds, etc. Is this a crack in my ultra-right-wing armor?


22 posted on 09/04/2012 7:22:58 AM PDT by Phinneous
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To: RexBeach

ya ...yum..


23 posted on 09/04/2012 7:27:00 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: stocksthatgoup
Do you know how eaten up with insects the vegetables would be if absolutely no pesticides were used?

A woman who has property near our ranch decided she was going to raise grass fed organic beef cattle and use absolutely no chemicals, no fertilizer or weed killer on her pastures or vaccines for the animals.

Her project did not survive. Her pasture had no grass, her animals got sick and many died. Maybe there is a place in the country with no pests where this could be done but the Texas Gulf Coast is not that place.

24 posted on 09/04/2012 7:28:41 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: All

So...are these evil pesticides/fertilizers inorganic...or organic, made from petrochemicals?


25 posted on 09/04/2012 7:35:09 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: Sub-Driver

You mean there are people who think the food has more nutrients?


26 posted on 09/04/2012 7:40:47 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Sub-Driver
Eating organic food will not make you healthier, according to researchers at Stanford University, although it could cut your exposure to pesticides.
Doh! Cutting exposure to pesticides makes one healthier. If you're not all that "toxic" to begin with, you may do just fine with crops not organically produced, but if you do have health issues, it's the first place to make a changeover (if you can afford it). Been there, done that. Eating organically produced foods can help one's overall health a great deal.
27 posted on 09/04/2012 8:00:33 AM PDT by mlizzy (And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell others not to kill? --MT)
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To: Sub-Driver

I’m retired an do the cooking. It’s a hobby. My wife is driving me crazy. She jumped on the organic bandwagon a while back and it’s cramping my style.

She thinks organic eggs have to be brown. I told her that those eggs are brown because they’re laid by red chickens. She doesn’t believe me. She says they are better because of less pesticides in their diet. I agreed but reminded her that the chickens run around eating bugs and worms. That didn’t please her much. lol

Other than that, she’s a God-fearing, Tea Party conservative.


28 posted on 09/04/2012 8:37:45 AM PDT by MisterArtery
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To: LRoggy
Organic food is bad for you. A study done 20 years ago, determined that when Plants are grown W/O protection(pesticides and anti viral fertilizers, they like you develop anti toxins to fight off the viruses and bugs. those toxins and anti bodies are worse for you than the the very minor residues. Oh and then there are the free range chickens.....
29 posted on 09/04/2012 8:51:11 AM PDT by stubernx98 (cranky, but reasonable)
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To: Ditter; All
This guy has been doing it since 1994, albeit up in the Panhandle. The beef taste like beef used to. He delivers all over Texas and I go in with family and friends and split a large quantity to reduce costs.

And I haven't used pesticides or chemical fertilizers in 20 years, and try to feed my family organic when possible. And as far as not using pesticides, this guy has much info. Howard Garrett's Page

30 posted on 09/04/2012 9:02:48 AM PDT by manic4organic (We won. Get over it.)
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To: MisterArtery
those eggs are brown because they’re laid by red chickens.

Or at least not non-white chickens (racist).

I have brown eggs, tan eggs, BLUE eggs and white eggs. Ask her to explain the blue eggs.

31 posted on 09/04/2012 9:22:25 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: Sub-Driver

This article is not good for the American Farmer, many of whom have figured out how to separate the consumer from vast amounts of money for these low yield, low quality foods.

In short, many of them are getting wealthy on the ignorance of the food consumers.

Myself, I stay with inorganic foods, eating organic when there is no other choice.


32 posted on 09/04/2012 9:23:34 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Your post is fine, but it points up the extent to which the language has been completely destroyed by the left. Read the sentence below, and tell me that we need to send liberals off to their own island:

“Myself, I stay with inorganic foods, eating organic when there is no other choice.”

Food derived from plants is by definition, organic. Granite, which is derived from something other than plants or animals. All crop food, all meat is by definition organic. Inorganic food implies something like a plastic banana.

I propose that any food grown without any enabling agricultural technology be hereforth called ‘accidental’. If that doesn’t catch, you can call it, ‘idiot food’, as in food grown by accident meant for idiots who will pay more for a product that is generally inferior or equal to the food grown using enabling farming technologies.

GM food is GM food, and that makes sense. Food grown without pesticides or any other enabling means of boosting crop yield or minimizing pest damage is still organic, it just means farmers aren’t tying their hands behind their backs to produce it.


33 posted on 09/04/2012 10:46:02 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: RinaseaofDs

I use ‘I eat primarily inorganic food’ with a bit of mockery in my voice.

Your idea of idiot food is better, more accurate, but I think it requires too much explanation. Same with ‘accidental food’, though I might try it a bit, ‘cuz it sounds like a guy could have some fun with that one.

Kind of like the Red State/Blue State thing.

I’m optimistic about all that though. Things are moving our way, and in the political sense, at an amazing speed.

We’ll get our language back, including ‘organic’ and Blue State being a good thing.


34 posted on 09/04/2012 12:01:43 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: TheWriterTX; All

Actually, no

GM and organic foods both have been bred for disease resistance; that is, the toxins that are required to deter pests are part of the flesh of the vegetable and fruit, and cannot be washed off like pesticides.

Bruce Ames published papers on this back in the 80’s and 90’s (cf “Dietary pesticides (99.99% all natural)*” -
http://www.pnas.org/content/87/19/7777.full.pdf)


35 posted on 09/04/2012 6:49:22 PM PDT by bt_dooftlook (Democrats - the party of Amnesty, Abortion, and Adolescence)
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To: bt_dooftlook

The study you linked to details the level of a plant’s natural immune system, not GM food.


36 posted on 09/04/2012 9:59:08 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (Riding the Long-Wave Economic Contraction, Baby!)
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