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Disciplining Students Is Racist?
Front Page Magazine ^ | September 5, 2012 | Michael P. Tremoglie

Posted on 09/05/2012 12:23:44 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: himno hero

“For the “whiteman”? Clearly the most single contributor for our social behavior is Christianity. For the industrial free west? Same”

Yes, this I can totally agree with. However, on the one hand you correctly give credit to Christianity for white people’s success, but then blame the failures of blacks on genetics. Yet, we know that whites can be just as, if not more, barbaric than the worst tribes in Africa, if we abandon our Christian values and faith. Just look at Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union.

I think the problem is mainly that, when we tried to introduce Christianity to many peoples, it was part and parcel of a secular colonization effort as well. So, when they became disillusioned with the colonial systems, they also wanted to abandon the Christianity that they viewed as tied to it. Basically, they tossed out the baby with the bathwater.


21 posted on 09/05/2012 3:38:07 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; potlatch; PhilDragoo

I just visited a friend, a teacher in a bankrupt California city. Her first grade class size was increased this year from 20 to 32. There are no aides, Phys.Ed., art or music. There is no library, other than what teachers bring in themselves. Her district has accepted 0bama cash. Her students are primarily black and Spanish-speaking students. An edict has been given to NOT refer any black students to the office for discipline, because it will ruin the district’s statistics. Even the little ones have the power, and they know it. Any deficits in their performance are officially the teacher’s fault. The textbooks cover all the lefty social issues.


22 posted on 09/05/2012 7:15:51 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: himno hero
depends on which "whiteman" -- if one takes that as a blanket for all Caucasians then the first Caucasians that were civilised were the Semitic Akkadians who learnt civilisation from the Sumerians in 2500 BC. If one restricts it to Europeans then the Minoans around 1700 BC but individual European groups were late to civilisation: first the Greeks, then the Italics, then the Celts, then the Germanics including Vikings (around 600 to 900 AD) then the Slavs (800 to 1000 AD) and finally the Baltics (around 1400 AD)

In contrast among Africans there is also a wide distribution -- the Ethiopians and Nubian people have been civilised since at leave 1700 BC or earlier -- earlier than European "whites". The West African empires and societies of GhanaEmpire, Songhai Empire etc. in the period 800 AD to 1400 AD did have organized agriculture and taxation

23 posted on 09/05/2012 7:57:12 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Boogieman

All excellent points.
Here we are in 2012 and the majority of Africa, rural still functions at the tribal level with tribal politicx. Every other year as a result they have a genocide or two. Funny how development works.


24 posted on 09/05/2012 9:48:53 PM PDT by himno hero (hadnuff)
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To: Cronos

See, the interesting thing I have witnessed in Africa is the racist counter culture amongst the illiterates. If someone has learned english , may will shun the kid, and or pick on him too for being “white”.

I would speculate that it is racism being practiced by the illiterate kids here too, for not wanting to participate nor fall into the system.... thus they run into problems getting educated.

“Lets go get some cash... “


25 posted on 09/05/2012 10:33:11 PM PDT by himno hero (hadnuff)
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To: himno hero

in Africa?? Or among African-Americans in the USA?


26 posted on 09/05/2012 11:50:52 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: himno hero
rural still functions at the tribal level with tribal politicx.

because the problem is that there are tribes cut across national boundaries.

27 posted on 09/05/2012 11:53:46 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos; himno hero

Proverbs 14:34

Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.


28 posted on 09/06/2012 2:48:43 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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2003 - ***"persistently dangerous" schools......... By law, parents can now transfer their children out of schools labeled dangerous - and many here are doing so. .....The classification of Doris Miller as "dangerous" is based on incidents of violent behavior recorded between 1999 and 2002, and evaluated by Texas education officials this summer. The junior high reported 15 incidents between in those three years that Texas officials deemed "expellable" felonies. The definition of "persistently dangerous" is determined by each state.

............. As the 50 states for the first time hand out the "persistently dangerous" label as part of the Bush administration's sweeping Leave No Child Behind Act, it is sharpening the debate over what exactly an unsafe school is. It is also raising moral questions within districts about how aggressive they should be in reporting incidents of violence.

To critics, the fact that so few schools nationwide were so designated indicates that administrators are ignoring - or simply not reporting - all the mayhem in their hallways.

"It is very likely that there is reluctance among schools to report incidents now because it would bring them too much trouble," say Ronald Stephens, executive director of the National School Safety Center, a nonprofit advocacy group in Westville, Calif. .........................

................But national statistics of school crime, say experts, seem to indicate that more schools should qualify for the classification. In 2000, 72 of every 1,000 students ages 12 through 18 reported being victims of crimes at school. The average far exceeds most states' requirements for a dangerous school.

At the heart of the discrepancy may well be a reluctance on the part of educators to report campus crime fully. A survey by the National Association of School Resource Officers found that 89 percent of school police believe crime is already underreported. "It's the scarlet letter in education today," says Mr. Trump. "Administrators have said to me privately that they would rather be academically failing than be a dangerous school." *** School-safety rankings - or just black marks?

29 posted on 09/06/2012 3:19:15 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Uncle Miltie

Exactly. Two days ago I sent office referrals (and placed phone calls) for 7 disruptive students—all of them Black. In each case, individual exhortations desk-side failed to elicit the appropriate response in terms of behavior. That’s 7 out of a class of 29; you can imagine the difficulty the other students were having while trying to listen and learn. I took no satisfaction in the task, except for this: I was standing up for the rights of those students who came to learn that day! This has always been my determining factor in meting out disciplinary measures—measures which,by the way, are scant and ineffective in today’s environment.
Whenever I am challenged along racial lines by parents, students or administrators, I remind them of my students who come to school to learn, how they have comported themselves, ready and attentive, willing to learn; how they will sometimes look at me with pleading eyes; how they’ve come day in and day out hoping to wring some sort of education out of their school day. I remind them that I am here for THEM, as well as the disruptive students. If you ask me, job one for those students bent on disruption is to bring the swift rod of correction down on them—this is the first lesson they need to understand about education: it does not happen apart from [self-]discipline.

Well, gotta go! Off to another exciting day of fun and learning at the good ol’ gubmint school of eju-ma-cashun!


30 posted on 09/06/2012 3:47:32 AM PDT by MarDav
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Thanks for your reply. 20 years ago I was a school administrator at a meeting of the Superintendents of 26 school districts. The subject was reporting of violence in the schools. Only one super had reported honestly. The others berated him for making them look bad on honest reporting. When there’s a government rule, there’s an infinite number of unintended consequences.


31 posted on 09/06/2012 9:52:04 AM PDT by ntnychik
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To: ntnychik
"Only one super had reported honestly."

Honesty left the classroom the moment the left entered.

32 posted on 09/06/2012 10:03:41 AM PDT by Jakarta ex-pat
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Maybe the liberals should confine their efforts to why this is rather than try to excuse this with specious claims of racism.

This isn't about stats, fairness, penological consistency, or any other thing than a contest of wills between the population producing this army of criminals, and the rest of society. It is about race -- that part at least is correct.

This isn't a discussion. It's warfare. Realize that, or be a chump and a victim.

33 posted on 09/06/2012 11:42:59 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: MarDav

you sound like an excellent teacher.....


34 posted on 09/14/2012 12:50:41 AM PDT by cherry
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