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The Truth About Philly Po-Pos Gun Room(PA)
The Truth About Guns ^ | 6 August, 2012 | Robert Farago

Posted on 09/06/2012 1:22:20 PM PDT by marktwain

Yesterday’s philly.com published Eye-opening visit to city’s Gun Room reveals scope of problem. And what problem might that be? Wait. Don’t tell me. Gun control. “On any given day, the room holds 7,000 to 10,000 guns – all confiscated in crimes commited [sic] in the city,” Daily News Editor Page Editor Sandra Shea reports. “The volume is shocking. In a room with this many guns – dull, ugly man-made objects that exist only to extinguish life – there’s just one thing to think about: death. No, that’s not exactly right: The volume is so overwhelming that I’m not really thinking at all.” Roger that. But wait! There’s more! Sandra really gets into it . . .

It’s my lizard brain that’s processing this sight – that ancient, preverbal part of the brain that is incapable of higher reasoning, only survival. I think it’s telling me to get out of there. There is nothing these guns are good for but death. I wonder how anyone carries a gun without it being a constant, metallic reminder of mortality.

Then again, maybe that’s the point.

Well exactly! Law-abiding American citizens exercising their Constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms carry a gun because these citizens appreciate the fragility of life and take personal responsibility for protecting it. Theirs, their loves ones and, perhaps, other innocents.

Legally speaking a law-abiding citizen can only shoot someone who poses an imminent, credible threat of death or grievous bodily harm. And the armed self-defender can only shoot to stop the threat. Not kill. (That’s just a fortunate by-product.)

Also, guns are good for deterring crime and target shooting. If you think about it (hard work but worth it) guns are kinda peaceful. If left to their own devices firearms tend to just sit there, not doin’ nothin’. Which isn’t as exciting as the idea that . . .

Each gun tells a story, but here in the Gun Room, there are no good stories. Each is a story of failure, despair, desperation, death. Some of these stories are also pathetic. I see a few rifles rigged up with a sling of cheap plastic twine, the kind you’d use to tie a bakery box. A few are sawed off, or jury-rigged with crude, homemade parts.

You want to talk about ascribing malevolent intentions to inanimate objects? Ms. Shea goes there. And then goes there some more.

Gun people, especially the NRA and its many members, take pains to defend the honor of guns, imbuing them with holiness and patriotism. In their hands, guns – which they insist they buy for safety, sport or collecting – are honorable things, and by extension, they themselves are honorable. They say that guns don’t kill people. They say that there is no such thing as “illegal guns,” only the unlawful people who own them. (By the way, many of the crime guns in the Gun Room have legal owners.) They say that there are enough gun laws, that they just need to be enforced. I have never agreed with these statements, but now I feel even more strongly. They are lies.

If gun lovers really believed that guns are honorable, why aren’t they more protective of this honor? Why are they so silent when criminals and murderers and snipers and insane gunmen shoot up temples and theaters, compromising the honor of guns? Why isn’t the NRA horrified and outraged, more supportive of reasonable controls, more insistent that guns should be in the hands of only those who deserve them?

Is that a trick question? Even if it isn’t it seems that Ms. Shea somehow forgot to ask the Philly Po-Po for a bit of background of this [supposedly] prima facie case for gun control. Today, a reader named Jonathan Goldstein wrote philly.com to ask about an inconvenient truth.

I’M GLAD Sandra Shea visited the gun room at City Hall (Daily News, Sept. 5). Unfortunately, she wasn’t given accurate information about what she saw.

Not all of the 7,000-10,000 guns she saw were “confiscated in crimes committed in the city.” Many of those guns were seized from law-abiding citizens who were never charged with a crime.

I have clients who are security guards duly licensed under Act 235 and citizens who simply carry pursuant to a duly issued concealed-carry license who have had their firearms taken during otherwise-routine police stops. For many, their only offense was lawfully carrying a gun while being a member of a racial minority, lawfully carrying a firearm in a bad neighborhood or simply running afoul of some police officer’s skewed – and illegal – sense of who should not get his firearm back after a police encounter.

The officers who take these firearms, and the police supervisors who encourage it with the full knowledge of the police commissioner, know that most firearms cost less than $1,000 and that it will take many times that amount in legal fees to effect a return of a firearm through the courts. They take property with impunity, knowing most victims won’t challenge the illegal seizure.

Why not go back and ask the Philadelphia Police Department to give totals of just how many of those guns Ms. Shea saw were seized from people actually charged with a crime? You’ll find the numbers truly shocking.

Now that I’d like to know. The self-righteous anti-Second Amendment poetry and condescending ignorant indignation I could do without. As could we all.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: banglist; pa; philadelphia; police
The vast majority of guns that end up in police hands are not guns that have been used in crime. The majority are turned over voluntarily, with another large contingent that are confiscated illegally.
1 posted on 09/06/2012 1:22:28 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
Even if it isn’t it seems that Ms. Shea somehow forgot to ask the Philly Po-Po for a bit of background...

Po-Po? What is the author? 12 years old? Frikkin' fool.

2 posted on 09/06/2012 1:28:25 PM PDT by theDentist (FYBO/FUBO; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: marktwain

“Legally speaking a law-abiding citizen can only shoot someone who poses an imminent, credible threat of death or grievous bodily harm. And the armed self-defender can only shoot to stop the threat. Not kill.”

Uh...the writer apparently hasn’t been down here in Texas. We can use deadly force to protect property and we aim for center mass (except those special ops types, who make sure by double-tapping).


3 posted on 09/06/2012 1:29:23 PM PDT by jagusafr
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To: marktwain
“On any given day, the room holds 7,000 to 10,000 guns...The volume is shocking. In a room with this many guns – dull, ugly man-made objects that exist only to extinguish life..."

So...how do the cops go in the room without dying?

4 posted on 09/06/2012 1:31:08 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: marktwain

If they think that is bad they should look at the chamber of horrors that are in US Prisons. Handmade guns behind bars!


5 posted on 09/06/2012 1:32:13 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: marktwain

When Philly gets to the point that it needs to bail itself out of debt by having a fire sale on these, let me know, wudja?


6 posted on 09/06/2012 1:33:43 PM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Science puts you on the moon, atheism puts you in the gulag)
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To: marktwain
I'm surprised the author doesn't claim that they come to
life at night and dance around the room celebrating all the
death and misery they cause.
7 posted on 09/06/2012 1:36:58 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

They could build a ‘rat Wild West Gun Library/Museum to raise revenue.


8 posted on 09/06/2012 1:40:19 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: theDentist

Better than pig-pig.


9 posted on 09/06/2012 1:42:52 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: CrazyIvan

Guns pose a threat to the fine people in the City of Brotherly Loath. To help alleviate this risk to safety, I will accept all those guns shipped if to me post paid.


10 posted on 09/06/2012 1:43:15 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: marktwain
dull, ugly man-made objects that exist only to extinguish life

Not true. When I was a kid, my cousin and I used to shoot tin cans with them.

11 posted on 09/06/2012 1:44:09 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: CrazyIvan
I'm surprised the author doesn't claim that they come to life at night and dance around the room celebrating all the death and misery they cause.

The Dementors that guard the room at night prevent that from happening.

12 posted on 09/06/2012 2:09:37 PM PDT by Rinnwald
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To: GladesGuru

Guns pose a threat to the fine people in the City of Brotherly Loath. To help alleviate this risk to safety, I will accept all those guns shipped if to me post paid.

Everyone knows that if you’re a Freeper you’ll probably just
lose them in a boating accident anyway.


13 posted on 09/06/2012 2:10:59 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: Rinnwald

The Dementors that guard the room at night prevent that from happening.

Can I get one of those for my gun safe?


14 posted on 09/06/2012 2:12:14 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: Cicero

And, I believe, at one point those objects were used to start a free country founded in individual liberty.


15 posted on 09/06/2012 2:15:01 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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To: marktwain

I imagine every decent gun that gets thrown into that room eventually “disappears” into some cop’s collection.


16 posted on 09/06/2012 2:44:44 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: GladesGuru
Guns pose a threat to the fine people in the City of Brotherly Loath. To help alleviate this risk to safety, I will accept all those guns shipped if to me post paid.

Most of those guns in the photo are cheap, not maintained well, and may be worth only the price of scrap steel. There's not a single "elite" AK47, M16, or high-tech "sniper rifle" in sight. One reason is that, even stolen, the "good stuff" demands premium prices. Second, the very best are skimmed off by the top cops, and their politician buddies.

The Detroit Police gun room looks like that, but they have a "pet AK47" than an officer proudly displays, so the camera doesn't spend too much time on all the rusty crap that makes up 99% of their "inventory".

"Crime guns" should be in a separate evidence vault, along with anything else involved in ongoing or completed cases. But the evidence vault appears to be haunted, because cash turns into counterfeit, drugs into flour, and weapons just vanish into thin air.

17 posted on 09/06/2012 3:06:24 PM PDT by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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To: Cicero

Yeah, when gun-haters tell me that guns are only for killing, I tell them I must be using them wrong since I’ve never killed (or even wounded) anything with any of my firearms. I have sent many paper and clay targets to their eternal rewards.


18 posted on 09/06/2012 3:44:07 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: marktwain

If this prissy little fool is all upset about these inanimate objects, (guns,) killing people, why isn’t she trying to ban cars?


19 posted on 09/06/2012 4:27:29 PM PDT by Not now, Not ever! (Girlfriend suggested I use pelosi in place of swear words, A good idea, I think)
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To: 300winmag
Apropos: “Most of those guns in the photo are cheap, not maintained well, and may be worth only the price of scrap steel.”

I know, which is why they pay the postage. However, FloriDUH Libtards hold gun buy backs.

Smiles evilly.

GG

20 posted on 09/06/2012 7:04:39 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: CrazyIvan
Can I get one of those for my gun safe?

Yeah, all I have is a Goldenrod. It keeps my evil guns in line with a Humidonkus spell (Behave or Rust!).

21 posted on 09/07/2012 7:27:34 AM PDT by Rinnwald
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