GHEI: ATF’s latest gun grab (Getting crafty)

Wahingto Times ^ | 9/6/2012 | Wash Times

[mikelets456]

The Obama administration is making it easier for bureaucrats to take away guns without offering the accused any realistic due process. In a final rule published last week, the Justice Department granted the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) authority to “seize and administratively forfeit property involved in controlled-substance abuses.” That means government can grab firearms and other property from someone who has never been convicted or even charged with any crime.

It’s a dangerous extension of the civil-forfeiture doctrine, a surreal legal fiction in which the seized property — not a person — is put on trial. This allows prosecutors to dispense with pesky constitutional rights, which conveniently don’t apply to inanimate objects. In this looking-glass world, the owner is effectively guilty until proved innocent and has the burden of proving otherwise. Anyone falsely accused will never see his property again unless he succeeds in an expensive uphill legal battle.

Such seizures are common in drug cases, which sometimes can ensnare people who have done nothing wrong. James Lieto found out about civil forfeiture the hard way when the FBI seized $392,000 from his business because the money was being carried by an armored-car firm he had hired that had fallen under a federal investigation. As the Wall Street Journal reported, Mr. Lieto was never accused of any crime, yet he spent thousands in legal fees to get his money back.

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[andyk]

Yeah, but drugs are bad.

They came for the dopers, but I said nothing because I wasn’t a doper.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Just implementing plank #4 of Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto.

The Ten Planks of Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto
(and How Statists Implement Them)

1. Abolition of private property rights (via high property taxes, restrictive zoning laws, "fair housing" edicts, environmental and "wetlands" regulations, and UN Agenda 21)

2. Institution of a heavily graduated income tax (by calling it "taxing the rich")

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance (through a confiscatory estate tax on "the rich")

4. Confiscation of the property of enemies of the state (through lawless application of asset forfeiture and eminent domain)

5. Centralization of credit into the hands of the state (Federal Reserve, Federal Trade Commission, TARP, etc.)

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation into the hands of the state (FCC, DOT, FEMA, etc.).

7. Consolidation and subjugation of all major industries to central government control (FDA, EPA, OSHA, ICC, NLRB, EEOC, etc.)

8. Mandatory labor union membership (public-sector unions, unionization of 21-million Obamacare health care workers, automatic withholding of forced union dues, "card check," etc.)

9. Equitable redistribution of all wealth (TANF, SSI, EITC, SNAP, etc.)

10. Free public education (and food and health care and cell phones and Internet access, etc.)

[Brad’s Gramma]

BTTT

[ZULU]

Under Obama and Bush II, America is generating into a third world tyranny with a government that operates outside the Constitution.

[hal ogen]

Constitution...We don’t need no stinkin’ Constitution! Fascism is where it is at.

[drypowder]

the feds have been arresting (confiscating) people's money at airports for years, now it's our guns turn to get arrested. Apparently the fed’s conditioning the populous to get us to accept enslavement and government lawlessness is working.

[LtKerst]

yet he spent thousands in legal fees to get his money back.

Well?....This is exactly WHY! the founders wrote the second amendment Folks.....

To stop TYRANTS.

How Long will it take?...What more do they have to do??????

[lucky american]

Just wait until Obamacare goes into effect. All of your doctor-patient confidentiality will be uploaded into a government file with your name on it from toenail fungus to herpes.
If you have any mental illness you will be denied the right to own a gun. The government will have any and all data to know everything about you from your name to the IRS with all of your financial information right down to the bank check routing numbers you provided for your direct deposit or withdrawal to pay for Obamacare or your private insurance, and any disease will be used to take away a right.
In fact, your DNA the basis of life and what makes you an individual will be on a government file.
This is a dictators dream to have everything one needs to know about anyone and we all let it happen right under our noses.
We can't stop this you know. The damage has been done and we did it to ourselves because we didn't pay attention when it mattered.

[Gargantua]

Our form of Government, and whatever "authority" they may wish to yield, are only justly applied when done with the will and consent of the people. If Congress passes an unconstitutional law, or Holder grants ATF an unconstitutional "authority," We, The People are under no obligation to honor or comply with that illegal usurpation of otherwise justly granted or applied powers.

In fact, we are obligated to refute such errors and impose our will in opposition to such usurpations, making known to our representative form of government when and where their various organs and actions may run afoul of the four corners of the documents which constrain them, or the voters who employ them.

Holder is going to end up in jail, breaking rocks and sucking ____ before this is over.

;-\

[bgill]

Just wait until Obamacare goes into effect. All of your doctor-patient confidentiality will be uploaded into a government file with your name on it from toenail fungus to herpes.

In that file will be how you answered that question, "do you have guns in your home." If you answered yes, then they've got you. If you refused to answer or questioned why you were being ask, then they've got you again.

[Renegade]

just say NO!

[hadaclueonce]

The ATF, LEO’s must be smarter that what the MSM give them credit for. They have never shot one of my dogs.

Yet.

[MachIV]

Which is why I have decided to lie about it.