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Guess Who Loves Coal Fired Power Plants
Ammoland.com ^ | 8/28/2012 | Ammoland

Posted on 09/07/2012 6:20:18 PM PDT by count-your-change

While the U.S. is either closing coal fired powered plants or forcing them to change to much more expensive natural gas, Germny is pressing ahead with coal fired generation of electricity.

Has Germany abandoned its efforts to be "green"?

No, but the rising costs and unreliablity of "green" electricity has some German government ministers concerned. Go to the link and read the rest of the article with the excerpt below:

"He (Altmaier) is also worried that his country could become dependent on foreign imports of electricity, the mainstay of its industrial sector. To avoid that risk, Altmaier has given the green light to build twenty-three new coal-fired plants, which are currently under construction."

(Excerpt) Read more at ammoland.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: coal; environment
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To: Puckster

Perhaps not throwing up road blocks is “giving the green light”.


21 posted on 09/07/2012 9:01:45 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

This is exactly the plan of liberals. That glassy eyed spittle-lipped liberal outrage over x percent of the population using y percent of the world’s resources is not feigned.


22 posted on 09/07/2012 9:03:50 PM PDT by rlmorel ("It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong." Voltaire)
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To: ModelBreaker

Me? I love coal. When I was kid sawing fire wood with a big crosscut to keep from freezing to death a couple of tons of coal was like a gift from heaven. Actually it was from a guy with a truck and a small seam on his property.


23 posted on 09/07/2012 9:06:58 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
I watched a walking drag line being moved in southern Indiana. Quite an amazing operation for a machine with an extension cord dragging behind it.
24 posted on 09/07/2012 9:11:32 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

“Perhaps not throwing up road blocks is “giving the green light”.”

Perhaps it’s a gesture of vanity knowing the feedback that’ll happen if people die because there is no heat this winter.

If people die this winter, they can at least show they’re moving on the problem.

Socialism, people simply must die. Not before or after a problem....but, they simply must die.

Sacrifices must be made.


25 posted on 09/07/2012 9:12:30 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: broken_clock
...and just marveled at the huge coal strIp mine that fed the coal directly to a power plant by conveyer belt.

We have essentially the same thing here in North Dakota. Another conveyor belt takes the ashes back down to fill in the hole.

26 posted on 09/07/2012 9:12:49 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: count-your-change
I did not favor any side in my write up originally. The point was merely that only coal or nuclear are the options. However, the fact that you immediately went on the defense makes one wonder if you have doubts on your own position.

But since you open this can of worms-

More people die in coal mining accidents per year than from all nuclear power related deaths since it's inception with Chicago Pile 1.

Coal throws out nice things like Xylene, toluene, benzene... hydrocarbons that are carcinogenic and also associated with some of the asthma and other respiratory disorders we're seeing. This despite scrubbers and other measures to reduce what they throw out.

Coal produces CO2, assuming one believes in the global warming horse shit, that would matter.

Coal produces sludge and other by products in great volume compared to nuclear.

Coal produces H2SO4, the primary cause of acid rain. Once again, while better than in the past, they still throw this out as well.

Coal requires extensive mining and has an environmental impact from that alone.

There is enough Thorium on this planet to run reactors literally for “MILLIONS” of years. Coal will be a temporary fix that like oil will eventually require ever greater costs for extraction after the low bearing fruit has been harvested/mined.

There are applications and spin offs for nuclear technology in the fields of medicine (isotopes used in nuclear imaging, seeding prostate cancers etc) and defense (nuclear weapons).

Nuclear is the most energy dense.

Nuclear is without figuring in all the imaginary costs factored in by environmentalists, the cheapest source of power.

This is what China is buying: http://www.ap1000.westinghousenuclear.com/
http://www.ap1000.westinghousenuclear.com/ap1000_glance.html
http://ap1000.westinghousenuclear.com/ap1000_safety.html

27 posted on 09/07/2012 9:18:33 PM PDT by Red6
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To: Puckster

“Sacrifices must be made”

The elite will turn their thermostats down a degree or two and turn ours off. Everybody just has to do their part.


28 posted on 09/07/2012 9:20:37 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change; broken_clock
Bucket Wheel Excavator
29 posted on 09/07/2012 9:22:08 PM PDT by rottndog (Be Prepared.....for what's coming AFTER America.)
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To: count-your-change

Humanism, that drives socialism, is an oxymoron.

The elite want no more than 500 million inhabiting the earth, ergo, people must die.

The resources are theirs, let’s not kid ourselves.


30 posted on 09/07/2012 9:32:43 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: count-your-change
While the U.S. is either closing coal fired powered plants or forcing them to change to much more expensive natural gas, Germny is pressing ahead with coal fired generation of electricity.

Strange, some genius came to the same conclusion in 2005(?)

We are the Saudi Arabia of coal. We've got more coal than just about anybody else.

This is America. We figured out how to put a man on the moon in ten years. You can't tell me we can't figure out how to burn coal, that we mine right here in the United States of America, and make it work. We can do that.
Hussein Obama's evil twin--- 2005?

31 posted on 09/07/2012 9:33:01 PM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: Red6
“I did not favor any side in my write up originally. The point was merely that only coal or nuclear are the options. However, the fact that you immediately went on the defense makes one wonder if you have doubts on your own position.”

You can wonder if you will but I was making an observation on what I see occurring.
Coal has many problems associated with is burning but a nuke plant on the drawing boards produces no power.

“There is enough Thorium on this planet to run reactors literally for “MILLIONS” of years.”

Exactly how many watts of power has thorium produced? Until I can turn on my lights with thorium made electricity it is just thorium theorium. Those “millions of years” haven't started yet.

So I need make no defence of anything and my only “position” is that want electricity coming to my home reliably and at a cost I afford...today.

32 posted on 09/07/2012 9:36:42 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: publius911

The difference is one country acts while the other talks.


33 posted on 09/07/2012 9:40:08 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

Eventually necessity will out strip the “ Pie in the sky “ dream of the liberals/environmentalist not ready for prime time alternative energy.


34 posted on 09/07/2012 9:44:16 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: count-your-change
What does Germany know that the U.S. does not?

They learned that green cannot run baseload plants.
You have coal, hydro and nuke, natural gas can but still works best as peaking power unless you build on the gas field.

35 posted on 09/07/2012 9:51:18 PM PDT by this_ol_patriot
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To: tbw2

bump!


36 posted on 09/07/2012 9:51:47 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin
Continuous excavators are amazing machines. But the most amazing of all is the supercritical once-through boiler where all the coal is burned. 6 million pounds per hour of "Steam" generation (really "stuff" because there is no differentiation between steam and water at 3,770 psi and 1,005 degrees F). Mmmm, mmm, mmm...steam. Check out the guy at the lower left in front of the coal pulverizer for a sense of the size of this beast.


37 posted on 09/07/2012 10:02:50 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: this_ol_patriot

“peaking power”

Pea-king power? Sounds Chinese.


38 posted on 09/07/2012 10:07:00 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Red6

You forgot natural gas.


39 posted on 09/07/2012 10:15:48 PM PDT by jpsb
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To: count-your-change

We should agressively develop all of our native energy sources including, coal, nuclear, natural gas, etc. No single source is going to take care of all or our energy needs. That is why I think Romney’s number one priority — Energy Development is such a great thing. It addresses our long-term energy needs and creates jobs/economic activity almost instantly.


40 posted on 09/07/2012 10:51:24 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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