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Earth To Conservatives: Immigrant Amnesty Is A Conservative Policy
Townhall.com ^ | Sep 11, 2012 | Jerry Bowyer

Posted on 09/11/2012 11:16:54 AM PDT by Bratch

Latinos are religious, morally conservative and tend disproportionately to join the military. They also tend to be hard working and entrepreneurial. Do we really have too many of them?

Do we really want to pack them up, forcibly, by the millions in the greatest forced migration in human history? How many are there, 15, maybe 20 million? No one has ever moved 15 million people against their will. No one has ever moved half that many without concentration camps, forced marches of one form or another and mass death through plague.

If there’s another way to do it, please tell me what it is. But I haven’t heard one. What I hear is slogans like ‘what part of illegal don’t you understand’ and attacks on ‘amnesty.’ Slogans move callers to dial in to talk radio, but they don’t move 20 million people voluntarily back into poverty and squalor. Soldiers do that (unhappy ones); box cars full of people do that. Camps surrounded by barbed wire do that. In the end you either let them stay or you herd them out. If you want to call it amnesty, go ahead.

After all, what’s wrong with amnesty? The idea has a well-worn legal tradition, one strongly associated with the Christian faith. It means forgiveness. After the Civil War, Lincoln offered amnesty to rebel soldiers. Was he wrong to do so? They had taken up arms against their own government; they had killed hundreds of thousands. But Lincoln (as opposed to the radical republicans) had the wisdom to offer forgiveness. What about runaway slaves after emancipation? They had broken the law, shouldn’t they have had to pay the price even after the laws were changed? Of course not. Why should immigration laws be any different?

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The eagerness of the GOP-e and their mouthpieces to justify illegal activity is palpable.
1 posted on 09/11/2012 11:17:01 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: Bratch

Nope, not buying it. I’m more positive about immigrants than many here, but this article is ignorant and erroneous.


2 posted on 09/11/2012 11:19:31 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Pink wine and pretzels.)
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To: Bratch

Evidently, I neglected to properly proofread my thread information.

The author of this piece is Jerry Bowyer.

Mr. Bowyer is the author of “The Free Market Capitalists Survival Guide,” published by HarperCollins, and a columnist for Forbes.com


3 posted on 09/11/2012 11:20:17 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: Bratch

This crap is from Townhall?

Wow. I knew Townhall was no longer relevant. But I had no idea they went loonie tunes leftist.


4 posted on 09/11/2012 11:21:01 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Bratch

You don’t have to “round them all up”, you just stop coddling them.

1. E-Verify
2. Random sweeps
3. Secure the boarder
4. No welfare
5. Punish sanctuary cities/states
6. No public services
7. Work hand-in-hand with the states

After a while, it sours the milk.


5 posted on 09/11/2012 11:22:10 AM PDT by Kolath
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To: Bratch

Frankly, the discussion on what to do with the illegals already here is premature. The first thing that needs to be done is to close the freaking border to stop the influx. Then, and only then, we can have a discussion on how to deal with the ones here, because unless and until we can stop the inbound flow, sending illegals back won’t solve anything.


6 posted on 09/11/2012 11:22:34 AM PDT by kevkrom (Those in a rush to trample the Constitution seem to forget that it is the source of their authority.)
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To: Bratch
After all, what’s wrong with amnesty? The idea has a well-worn legal tradition, one strongly associated with the Christian faith. It means forgiveness. After the Civil War, Lincoln offered amnesty to rebel soldiers.

Well, the Civil War was over, so there was no longer a mechanism to keep creating former rebel soldiers. Illegal immigration is not over. Neither is the welfare state. So amnesty would encourage more illegal immigration, just like it did after 1987.

Typical half-baked pap from the pro-amnesty community.

7 posted on 09/11/2012 11:22:40 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Bratch

“Latinos are religious, morally conservative and tend disproportionately to join the military. “

Not this crap again? It shows how moral you are when you break into someones country, get free education for your kids, get the Earned Income Tax Credit, get the EBT cards, get the “crazy” money from Social security for your kids, get free medical treatment and a myriad of other social services. Yeah, you’re a real shining moral example.

I don’t care how religious and conservative you are, get the hell out of my country.


8 posted on 09/11/2012 11:23:26 AM PDT by dljordan ("Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered.")
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To: Bratch
If there’s another way to do it, please tell me what it is. But I haven’t heard one.

Lie. Republicans from Fred Thompson to Mitt Romney have raised the concept of self-deportation.

9 posted on 09/11/2012 11:23:54 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Bratch

“Ronald Reagan saw it, even if alleged ‘Reaganites’ don’t. He signed amnesty into law in 1986, inviting three million ‘illegals’ to become ‘legals.’”

The worst argument ever. Its like saying to someone that they survived cancer once before why not again. Hey you broke a leg but now you walk normal. Why not break it again? Regardless of who did something before theres no assumption they were correct unless they walked the earth about 2000 years ago and was named Jesus.


10 posted on 09/11/2012 11:24:18 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Bratch
The person who typed in the article does not have the civility to acknowledge that we are talking about ILLEGAL activities of ALL peoples..

Perhaps the person who typed in the article could explain why he feeeeeeeeeeeeeels that Latinos alone are all inveterate law-breakers . . . .

Reading the excerpt was as far as I got.

11 posted on 09/11/2012 11:25:08 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Bratch

Make life intolerable for them and they will self-deport. Many already have. Come here legally or don’t come at all.


12 posted on 09/11/2012 11:25:23 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Bratch

Hmmmm..TownHall. Huh.

Now, having said all that conservative stuff. Tell me: Why do they identify overwhelmingly Democrap?


13 posted on 09/11/2012 11:26:18 AM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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8. and go after the employers too!


14 posted on 09/11/2012 11:26:18 AM PDT by Kolath
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To: Bratch

What other crimes do you think should be forgiven en mass ?

These people are FOREIGN INVADERS.

If we can’t deport them then we need to cut off the welfare, job, health care and schools to these illegals. Taxpayers should not be on the hook to support millions and millions of foreigners.


15 posted on 09/11/2012 11:28:49 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Bratch

Slaves and Confederate soldiers were indigenous, illegal aliens are not. And many illegal aliens owe their allegiance to their birthplace, as well illustrated by the conduct of Mexicans at soccer games between Mexico and the United states, during which the US team, anthem, and flag are booed and the Mexican equivalents are cheered. Why single out Mexicans? Simple. Because they comprise the vast majority of illegals and seem to have the most nostalgia of their homeland, but not enough to leave.


16 posted on 09/11/2012 11:30:12 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: dirtboy

Tens of thousands of illegals self-deported after AZ SB 1070 was passed.


17 posted on 09/11/2012 11:31:28 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: wiggen; Bratch

and Reagan admitted amnesty was a disaster later on too, I seem to recall


18 posted on 09/11/2012 11:32:54 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Bratch

No one wants the libertarians to win on this one.

This is the actual, 2004 text of the Libertarian Party Platform on immigration.

COMPLETE PLATFORM TEXT
INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS AND CIVIL ORDER

IMMIGRATION:
The Issue: We welcome all refugees to our country and condemn the efforts of U.S. officials to create a new “Berlin Wall” which would keep them captive. We condemn the U.S. government’s policy of barring those refugees from our country and preventing Americans from assisting their passage to help them escape tyranny or improve their economic prospects.

The Principle: We hold that human rights should not be denied or abridged on the basis of nationality. Undocumented non-citizens should not be denied the fundamental freedom to labor and to move about unmolested. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age or sexual preference. We oppose government welfare and resettlement payments to non-citizens just as we oppose government welfare payments to all other persons.

Solutions: We condemn massive roundups of Hispanic Americans and others by the federal government in its hunt for individuals not possessing required government documents. We strongly oppose all measures that punish employers who hire undocumented workers. Such measures repress free enterprise, harass workers, and systematically discourage employers from hiring Hispanics.

Transitional Action: We call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally.


19 posted on 09/11/2012 11:34:47 AM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
Perhaps the person who typed in the article could explain why he feeeeeeeeeeeeeels that Latinos alone are all inveterate law-breakers . . . .

Perhaps he did so because Mexicans comprise not all, but the vast majority of illegal aliens.

20 posted on 09/11/2012 11:34:46 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: Responsibility2nd

In the early 1990s, Bowyer was the executive director of the National Reform Association, an organization with close ties to the Reformed Presbyterian Church of North America.

He called for creation of a “theocracy” in America: “Christocracy, the rule of Christ over the nation,” he called it once, according to a 1999 Washington Post article.

Bowyer changed his position on religion and state in the mid 90s and frequently asserted his disagreements with the religious right and agreements with the position of the founding fathers on his radio program


21 posted on 09/11/2012 11:34:46 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Bratch

Amnesty has been tried before, and it made the situation worse. Look up Simpson-Mazzoli, people.


22 posted on 09/11/2012 11:35:10 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (My game is disruption. I will use lethal force --my vote-- in self-defense against Obama.)
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To: Bratch

Rewarding line-jumpers and law breakers is not a “conservative” policy.

Creating a new underclass is not a “conservative” policy.

Bankrupting our hospitals, social services and taxpayers to take care of these invaders is not a “conservative” policy.

What the heck is wrong with this guy? Mr. Bowyer needs to return his conservative badge with the googly eyes and go off to work for the Left.


23 posted on 09/11/2012 11:40:20 AM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Bratch

Great Plan!

So destitute people from third world countries should be free to walk across open borders and ‘share’ the wealth. And this is conservative, free market capitalism, right? No education, no experience with self rule, accustomed to ‘working’ a corrupt system run by an hereditary elite - but they will fit right in and make an immediate contribution, right?

What Friedman said was that we HAD open borders in the nineteenth century, but it didn’t matter because we had NO social welfare system, so the immigrants either took the dirty jobs that no one else wanted, or they starved. Friedman’s position was NOT that the immigrants should not be eligible for welfare, but that governments should not engage in social welfare.

As far as the Levitical law somehow stipulating share and share alike for unwanted immigrants, each family had a portion of the land allotted by tribe, and the land could not be permanently sold/traded/given to a foreigner. In Israel’s bronze/iron age agrarian economy, land was the source of all wealth.

Its amazing how we can twist any dataset to agree with our predetermined view though, isn’t it?


24 posted on 09/11/2012 11:40:43 AM PDT by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: Kolath
That's a good list, but I'd like to add a few more:

1. E-Verify
2. Random sweeps
3. Secure the boarder
4. No welfare
5. Punish sanctuary cities/states
6. No public services
7. Work hand-in-hand with the states

8. No welfare
9. No welfare
10. No welfare
...
1,000 No welfare

Not that the other items aren't good, but when being here illegally doesn't 'pay' as well as it does now, that's pretty much all it takes to solve the problem.

25 posted on 09/11/2012 11:44:15 AM PDT by PermaRag (If Trayvon had a father, he'd look just like Obama)
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To: kcvl

He called for creation of a “theocracy” in America: “Christocracy, the rule of Christ over the nation,” he called it once, according to a 1999 Washington Post article.

Bowyer changed his position on religion and state in the mid 90s and frequently asserted his disagreements with the religious right and agreements with the position of the founding fathers on his radio program

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He was wrong then. He is wrong now.

Bowyer is a moron committing an oxymoron. There is no difference between the beliefs of the Religous Right and those of the Founding Fathers.

Both groups acknowledge God as the Creator and author of all our inalienable rights.


26 posted on 09/11/2012 11:44:43 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Bratch
No cattle cars, government programs or soldiers were required to bring those 12-20 million illegals here; and neither will they be required to have them leave.

When what they came here for, work and benefits, are no longer made available to them - they will leave.

It is as simple as that.

As to those who decry ‘making things so miserable, so oppressive, so mean!’ that people self deport - are we actually responsible for providing jobs and benefits to illegal aliens?

If you don't offer food and drinks to someone you INVITED into your home you are a bad host - but are you a bad host if you decline to offer food and drink to someone who illegal BROKE IN to your home?

I don't think so.

27 posted on 09/11/2012 11:46:53 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: ansel12

Hah!

(See tagline for my thoughts on Libertarians.)

Did they also - while welcoming illegals - ask them to bring plenty of dope across also?


28 posted on 09/11/2012 11:49:06 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Bratch

The problem is that the article ascribes the merits of legal immigrants to the criminals in an apparent attempt to whitewash them. They are not the same. That initial criminal act leads to a criminal’s view of the US, just as that initial decision to follow the rules colors how the legal immigrants view their new country.


29 posted on 09/11/2012 11:50:18 AM PDT by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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To: Bratch
for a guy who writes for Forbes, he is not very good at math.

100 Passengers per train car in a 100 car train = 10,000 people

5 trains a day = 50,000

run the trains 300 days (6 days a week, no Sundays or holidays) and you have moved 15 million passengers in one year.

no forced marches, no death camps, no plague.

lets not forget, most of them walked here, I think we can bus, ship, train, fly them back with no trouble.

30 posted on 09/11/2012 11:51:20 AM PDT by lack-of-trust
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To: Bratch

I have reached the boiling point with self-appointed experts who constantly tell us all the things we CAN’T do. Have any one of them offered a solution, other than breaking the law that is virtually ignored? No, the “experts” are too busy pushing for “comprehensive immigration reform”.

Everytime I hear a politician say “comprehensive”, it’s BOHICA time, again. How’s this for a solution:
1. Make E-verify a condition of employment; and
2. Fine for non-compliance is $1 million dollars a day for each illegal employee.
No jobs = no illegal immigrants = no problem.


31 posted on 09/11/2012 11:57:03 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Mitt Romney is very libertarian when it comes to illegals.

In December of 2006, the republican Governor was exposed, and suffered national embarrassment for using Guatemalan illegals for 10 years.

In December of 2007, in a national debate, Rudy Giuliani referred to the decade long illegal connection, accusing Mitt Romney of having run a “Sanctuary Mansion”. On national TV, Mitt Romney indignantly denied the claim.

A few days after the debate, the Boston Globe decided to look again at Mitt’s house, and guess what, they found Guatemalan illegals, they were working for the same Colombian, MITT HAD NEVER FIRED THEM!

Ten years and a national scandal, turned into 11 years, and a second national scandal, with all the same players, the same “contractor”, Guatemalan illegals, and the same Mitt Romney and his wife interacting with them at their home during the week.


32 posted on 09/11/2012 11:57:21 AM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: dljordan
I don't know anything about illegals.

I DO know something about some American children I know.
They are “into” drugs, tattoos, body piercings and computer-gaming. Sometimes they are “into” sports. What a lot of them are not “into” is working. Their mommies and Daddies work hard to buy them everything they want - cars, college educations, you name it. Also, a lot of them are not found anywhere near a church on Sundays.

In many cases their parents are successful small business people or tradesmen. But their offspring feel they are too good for such a vocation and have no interest in succeeding their parents or do so so poorly they don't succeed.

I am not speaking about MOST American kids - just TOO DAMN MANY of them. Especially around the urban areas and in the northeast and LEFT Coast.

When I was growing up NOTHING was too hard or too menial for me to do to make a buck. I washed and polished cars, collected and washed soda bottles for $ .05 deposits apiece, shoveled snow, worked in fast-food joints - ANYTHING for a buck. Not them.

Now let me tell you about some Hispanics I know. They are working here legally (I think). I know they are strong family-oriented people who are very often devout Christians. Many of them work two or more jobs - hard jobs that many native born American children of the present generation turn their noses up at. They work at these jobs to survive and put THEIR kids through college, colleges where very many of them perform very well. Just like a lot of the Asian kids who come here legally (I think) or are first generation.

Somebody here said the FIRST thing to do is seal up the borders. THAT is CORRECT. STOP letting illegals here in the FIRST place.

You want to get rid of illegals who are here? Pass legislation with TEETH that will allow the government to effectively PUT OUT OF BUSINESS any company which KNOWLINGLY hires FRESH illegals.

THEN, look at the ones who are here already. If they are CURRENTLY employed somewhere and have a good work history and have no criminal backgrounds, give them a choice - get into a line to become a citizen while continuing to work under a guest worker program or leave.

But Guest Worker Programs should be restricted to people who are ALREADY here and NOT to new recruits from overseas. A PREMANANT Guest worker program would establish a permanent underclass of disenfranchised, exploited, ghettoized, unassimilated non-citizens with no real connection to the nation who are ripe for revolution.

If they had kids while they are here or brought them here illegally at a very young age and they have grown up here thinking they are Americans, you have another problem.
It flies in the face of what most Americans would feel about deporting people who speak our language, consider themselves Americans and are culturally part of America. Allowances will HAVE to be made to expedite their citizenship.

Western society has a demographic problem. We marry late and have small families. Our reproduction can't replace retiring workers leaving the workplace. The children we produce, in too many cases, leave a lot to be desired.

Latinos ARE hardworking, they ARE family oriented, and they ARE Christians.

Like it or not, economics drive immigration. We just have so much control over the groundrules and failed to exercize that control we do have. Just be THANKFUL that the people who are our most ready suppliers of new citizens are Christian Latinos, and NOT, as in the case of our LESS FORTUNATE European counterparts, MUSLIMS.

33 posted on 09/11/2012 11:57:50 AM PDT by ZULU (See: http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=D9vQt6IXXaM&hd)
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To: Bratch

“Latinos are religious, morally conservative and tend disproportionately to join the military. They also tend to be hard working and entrepreneurial. Do we really have too many of them?”

No, genius, we don’t have too many, do we? Let’s go ahead and import another 30 million of them. That’ll help conservatives win more elections just like in California, right?


34 posted on 09/11/2012 11:58:34 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn ( White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: Bratch
Do we really want to pack them up, forcibly, by the millions in the greatest forced migration in human history?

Yes, and I don't care if every single one of them is as conservative as Ronald Reagan, they broke the law coming here and I have no problem at all with mass forced expulsions.

35 posted on 09/11/2012 11:58:41 AM PDT by apillar
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To: Bratch

“Latinos are religious, morally conservative and tend disproportionately to join the military. They also tend to be hard working and entrepreneurial. Do we really have too many of them?”

In spite of those nostrums, they vote Democratic, and would vote Democrat - the majority - if some GOP Congress granted them “amnesty” today.

Secondly, in spite of the meme “they also tend to be hardworking and entrepreneurial” is the fact that is no more true of “Hispanics” than it is any other group.

Also, why cannot the author separate the facts of legal immigration and illegal immigration and admit that it is the later, more so than “Hispanic immigration” that is the issue.

And, why cannot the author admit that even in that the issue is largely not “Hispanic” illegal immigration - it’s not illegal Cuban immigration, not illegqal Puerto Rican immigration, and in the main also not illegal Carribean immigration or illegal South American immigration. Yet, the author sticks to the Dim’s talking point that it’s “Hispanic” immigration.

The bare facts are that the vast substance of illegal immigration is not a “Hispanic” issue, it’s a Mexican issue. It’s a Mexican issue, and not a Hispanic issue, because the Mexican government and a large portion of the Mexican population believes that being Mexican gives them a natural right to move themselves to the United States - invited or not. Amnesty would simply reward that idea and cause it to be encouraged; convincing Mexicans it will be repeated again and again, and again. Thats’ the issue and that is not a “Hispanic” issue.

Lastly, the author refuses to accept that Amnesty is a moral affront to the millions of legal immigrants now and in the last twenty years. It says to the legal immigrants that their moral investment in legally immigrating here, their moral investment in their childrens’ future can be simply given away by a nation who refuses to honor their moral committment to their new nation - just to get a few “Hispanic” votes. It says to the legal immigrants, “screw you”; you wasted your time, your money, your patience, your moral fortitude; you didn’t need to come here legally; all you needed to do was find your way to Mexico and cross the border and then wait; all would have been forgiven. It’s immoral - amnesty - that’s what it is.

The author uses the straw man of “sending them all home” as if only that or Amnesty are the only options; when simple denial of work and benefits will cause illegal immigrants to leave - on their own.

And, as they do (leave on their own) their corrupt employers will pay American wages to the least skilled and semi-skilled American citizens who can’t compete in the job market with illegal immigrants. That’s been the case every time mass raids on illegal immigrants at job sites are done.

Yes, Conservatives too can believe that certain kinds of immigraton are good for the country - illegal immigration and rewarding it with amnesty are not good for the country.


36 posted on 09/11/2012 12:00:09 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: LucianOfSamasota

This is getting at what sensible people many times think or feel but can’t quite put their finger on the differences between today and the past.

Government debt today is over 100% of GDP.

When Reagan took office it was comfortably under 40% of GDP.

GDP is nice way of putting the limits of taxation into perspective.

If the government taxes 100% of GDP, there is no private property and everyone works as a government employee.

Of course, taxes must be far less than GDP in order to have a decent standard of living.

Right now, taxes are somewhere between 15% and 20% of GDP, which is outrageous, but we’re living with it.

So if debt is more than one year’s GDP, it’s getting to the point where it would realistically take decades to get back to that 40% number. Certainly we never will if we continue in the same direction we are headed now, and in that case, the debt continues to mount, relative to GDP, until buyers of government debt can’t be found, and the government shifts into pure money-creation mode to fuel it’s spending. This can and did happen on a gold standard; this was basically what brought down the Spanish Empire, as the King, desperate to have money to spend while prices (for some “crazy”reason) spiraled upward, put less gold into minted coins to generate more money from the gold that poured in from the Americas.

At 40% government debt to GDP, allowing immigrants in to have some of them work and others be economic dead weight was very ill-advised; at 100% government debt to GDP, it will be a significant factor that causes quicker collapse of Congress’s Treasury bonds-for votes ponzi scheme.


37 posted on 09/11/2012 12:00:39 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: Bratch
Nonsense. Statistics show that Latinos do not have strong family values, crime is rampant among them, and they love to get on welfare.

No conservative would support amnesty. It harms this country and give special privileges to those who break the laws.

38 posted on 09/11/2012 12:01:37 PM PDT by apocalypto
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To: apillar
Latinos are religious, morally conservative and tend disproportionately to join the military. They also tend to be hard working and entrepreneurial.

If they are all such rock-ribbed free-market conservatives. Then why are most Latin American countries socialist s@hitholes, where the local "Generalisimo" is reelected in a landslide.

39 posted on 09/11/2012 12:01:47 PM PDT by apillar
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To: Bratch
Jerry Bowyer... LLS says that you are a liar and that the truth does not reside within you.

LLS

40 posted on 09/11/2012 12:05:06 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("if it looks like you are not gonna make it you gotta get mean, I mean plumb mad-dog mean" J. Wales)
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To: Bratch

But wouldn’t it be unfair for those who are not yet in the US, to not be included in this amnesty, therefore I propose totally open boarders, no laws regarding immigration, and special benefits for those not yet honored to be called US citizens.


41 posted on 09/11/2012 12:08:49 PM PDT by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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To: Bratch

Illegal aliens are government growth hormone.

30 million illegals is enough to create some 50 congressional districts and they don’t even need to vote to do it. If they do vote then those districts will be almost exclusively democrat.

Now think about it. How much does it cost to administer a congressional district? How much pork does the average congressman seek/ How many earmarks?


42 posted on 09/11/2012 12:10:52 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: apillar

You are living in a dreamworld. It ain’t gonna happen.

The best we can do is STOP new illegals and assimialte the ones here who are worthwhile hardworking people.

Keep the wheat, kick out the chaff.


43 posted on 09/11/2012 12:18:09 PM PDT by ZULU (See: http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=D9vQt6IXXaM&hd)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

The term “Latinos” moves the argument from legality to race. As soon as you buy into the premise that “Latinos” are the problem, you have lost the argument. It is not about race, it is about legality.


44 posted on 09/11/2012 12:19:32 PM PDT by STYRO (Do not accept unconstitutional government as legitimate government.)
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To: wiggen
“Ronald Reagan saw it, even if alleged ‘Reaganites’ don’t. He signed amnesty into law in 1986, inviting three million ‘illegals’ to become ‘legals.'

The '86 Amnesty was supposed to be a "one time only deal". We were finally going to get serious about enforcement.

The '86 amnesty was supported by the Republican leadership, signed into law by a republican President, - and has been paying dividends for the DNC ever since; - at the local, state, and federal level.

B-1 Bob Dornan's congressional district, a district that he had represented for eleven consecutive terms, has now become a democratic stronghold.

Bowyer is clueless.

45 posted on 09/11/2012 12:21:59 PM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: Bratch

These Hispander Repubs are making sure that the Romney campaign manages to lose to the evil Obama by driving down the base turnout. WTG dipwads! The Republican Party must be destroyed after 2012!


46 posted on 09/11/2012 12:25:19 PM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: PieterCasparzen
Also, fifty percent of the country winds up paying no federal income tax.

Immigration ( low skilled; - legal and illegal, anchor babies, etc. ) is the number one reason why.

47 posted on 09/11/2012 12:27:22 PM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: Bratch

[ If there’s another way to do it, please tell me what it is. ]

OH! ALRIGHTY then.. here it is... Grasshopper(author)..

Pass laws in every local community that you must prove citizenship or some kind legal status to reside in the USA..
-OR-
You will be prosecuted and sent to a work camp along the Mexican Border to build the wall and fortifications there.. or just deported..

LAws like this would cause many/most to Self-Deport themselves exactely the way they GOT HERE.. Its simple really they might be mexican or some other foreigner BUT THEY ARE NOT STUPID... (most of them)..

**NOTE: Not all illegal insurgents are latinos there are many chinese and other asians.. and people from every country on this planet.. Same work camp all of them..

Bumper sticker: “GET LEGAL OR SELF-DEPORT”....


48 posted on 09/11/2012 12:43:41 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Bratch

I like Bowyer. He’s pretty clear thinking on most issues. But this is just nonsense. Every amnesty is just bait for another wave of tens of millions of new illegals.

There are three magnets that draw the illegals here: 1. economic opportunity, 2. free stuff from the gov’t, 3. US citizenship for their progeny. Eliminate these three and the illegals will self-deport.


49 posted on 09/11/2012 1:00:22 PM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything)
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To: Bratch
Latinos are religious, morally conservative and tend disproportionately to join the military. They also tend to be hard working and entrepreneurial. Do we really have too many of them?

This comment is laughable on its face. If this were true, Mexico, whose people constitute something like 90% of the illegal immigrants in this country, would be the most awesome country on earth. There would be no need for its citizens to risk their lives to get to the US, because Mexico would be a stable republic with a great economy. However, we see what results when Mexican culture is the governing influence: a cartel-run, impoverished, third-world sh!thole.
50 posted on 09/11/2012 1:24:18 PM PDT by fr_freak
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