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Marines deny, state department silent did they or did they not deny Marines live ammo?

After reading the article, my nose tells me that someone is not telling the whole truth. Playing legal weasel words.

1 posted on 09/13/2012 4:15:11 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

Of course there was ammo there. It was locked up for security reasons.


2 posted on 09/13/2012 4:17:43 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("OF COURSE I TALK TO MYSELF - Sometimes I need an expert opinion")
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To: Texas Fossil

The DOD under this admin is not to be trusted by any liberty loving american...


3 posted on 09/13/2012 4:18:46 PM PDT by Breto (The Establishment party is killing our country)
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If the standard policy is “No ammo” then it is accurate to say that no restrictions were placed on that policy.

This is doublespeak until someone in authority says “They had ammo and were fully armed with guns, ammo and the authority to use them”.


4 posted on 09/13/2012 4:19:57 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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This is what I want to hear:

“Make NO MISTAKE! Every American Embassy world wide is well protected and our security forces are ARMED TO THE TEETH, and willing to use ANY FORCE NECESSARY TO PROTECT AMERICAN CITIZENS from ANY HARM! Go Ahead- Make our Day!”


5 posted on 09/13/2012 4:22:15 PM PDT by eeevil conservative (GIVE ME A PLACE TO STAND AND I WILL MOVE THE EARTH....Archimedes)
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"Our glorious Commander in Chief gives his Marines everything they need! I triple guarantee it!"


7 posted on 09/13/2012 4:23:41 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm not voting for Obama, so therefore I must be helping Romney!)
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Yep, the verb tenses are definitely off. No restrictions have been imposed now—but had they been imposed at the time of the attack?


8 posted on 09/13/2012 4:23:53 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Texas Fossil

Ammo or not, two Marines isn’t much of any army against RPG’s and others with AK-47’s.


9 posted on 09/13/2012 4:24:50 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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sounds like Clintonese speak!


10 posted on 09/13/2012 4:26:37 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Texas Fossil

First they came for the ammo of our Border Patrol....


13 posted on 09/13/2012 4:28:43 PM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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If the Marines were locked, loaded and authorized to fire, where are the dead Libyans? ‘Cause Marines sure don’t go down without a fight. Could it be our State Department prefers four dead Americans to any dead or wounded Libyans?


14 posted on 09/13/2012 4:30:03 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath
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What does the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Martin E. Dempsey, say? Were Marines denied ammunition for their weapons by the DoS or not?

So what if the Cairo Embassy had ammunition under lock and key? Yes, it was secured. No, Marines could not defend the Embassy without ammunition in their weapons, unless you want them to use the weapons as inefficient clubs.

16 posted on 09/13/2012 4:30:15 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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"No restrictions on weapons or weapons status have been imposed."

restrictions = applies to weapons, not ammo

weapons = does not include ammo

weapons status = meaning "ability to operate properly," not "loaded"

have = not "were"

18 posted on 09/13/2012 4:36:23 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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See? Live ammo!
19 posted on 09/13/2012 4:38:13 PM PDT by tumblindice
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They have ammo. Under lock and key perhaps. Maybe they get beanbags like the US Border Patrol.


20 posted on 09/13/2012 4:40:22 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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This has been a (treasonous) top down policy for some time. That the ambassador made a unilateral decision on this is pure crapolla.

Our personnel in Bosnia were not allowed to carry loaded guns. They were told they could load their guns *after* they were fired upon. Fact. I got this from an Air Force non com who served 2 tours there.

It is sickening in how many places around the world the military is not allowed to be armed.

And for the record, the ROE haven’t been much better under Republican presidents for decades. The Dems just carry it to even more disgusting extremes.


23 posted on 09/13/2012 4:47:33 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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My thought exactly. Here are the weasel words: “....not permitted by the State Department....”

The Marine blogs that broke this story DID NOT say that the STATE DEPARTMENT did not allow live ammo. They said that the bee-itch in charge of the embassy forbade it.

For all we know, Washington, DC knew nothing about the rules that were in effect over there on station......although it is no stretch whatever for me to believe that Shrillery would have denied the Marines live ammo, too.


24 posted on 09/13/2012 5:04:00 PM PDT by Tucker39 ( Psa 68:19Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits; even the God of our salvation.KJV)
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sadly, our military brass and their defense dept cohorts are not believable....they go along to get along, and then they get their big fat pensions.....

another reason the pension system needs to be changed...too much of an excuse to be a good little dobbie and not rock the boat...

26 posted on 09/13/2012 5:10:06 PM PDT by cherry
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When this administration, the SOS and the POTUS tells one lie, we can’t believe anything any of them say.


29 posted on 09/13/2012 5:17:15 PM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: Texas Fossil

When they cut the $800B from the Pentagon, I sure hope they cut the salaries of the left wing weenies who work there.


30 posted on 09/13/2012 5:20:45 PM PDT by CincyRichieRich (Keep your head up and keep moving forward!)
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To: Texas Fossil; ASA Vet; BIGLOOK

Taking ammo away from our military and embassy guards has been SOP’s under LBJ, Carter, Clintoon and now Obozo.

These left wing rectums have never cared about our military, our military men and women on the point, are put in danger everyday with left wing bs.

The left wing ROE’s have killed our men and women in Iraq and other hell holes since Obozo became our president.


32 posted on 09/13/2012 5:24:45 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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