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GOP to Romney: Why Aren't You Winning?
newsmax.com ^

Posted on 09/16/2012 1:34:46 AM PDT by tsowellfan

Republican activists are incredulous: Why can't Republican Mitt Romney seem to break open a tight race with President Barack Obama given the nation's sluggish economy and conservative enthusiasm to beat the Democrat?

"He ought to be killing Obama, and he's clearly not doing that," said 32-year-old R.J. Robinson, one of the thousands of activists attending the annual Values Voters Summit this weekend. "He should be doing better."

Added Mike Garner, a 27-year-old hawking "Reagan was right" buttons at the meeting: "If Romney loses this election, the party really needs to do some soul-searching."

Their sentiments were echoed in interviews with more than a dozen GOP activists and social conservative leaders who attended the annual gathering focused on social and cultural issues and sponsored by the Family Research Council.

The summit was filled with rhetoric meant to fire up the party's base voters. Romney needs them to turn out in force at the polls in November and, between now and then, to convince others to do the same through extensive get-out-the-vote grassroots canvassing in swing-voting states...

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: election2012; mittromney
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To: tsowellfan

Believe mainstream media and blame Mitt?
They’d better go to vote for Obama.

I have to say it again, MSM’s become more blatantly biased in favor of Obama and Dem Party, but conservatives haven’t realised how serious a problem this is.


41 posted on 09/16/2012 4:22:02 AM PDT by granada
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To: albie
I don’t believe the polls but it doesn’t help that Romney “agrees with some parts of Obamacare” and that Romney “thinks that Obama is really a nice guy”. This aisle crossing BS has got to stop.

I agree. Romney can say he likes certain parts but he has to frame that by stating that only the good (minimum) and bad (majority) can be corrected by total repeal to eliminate the framework that Obamacare has weaved and a market-based framework erected in it's stead.

As to, "Obama is a nice guy": this is the same BS a politician has to say in the vein of "Islam is a religion of peace."

42 posted on 09/16/2012 4:22:58 AM PDT by torchthemummy (Calvin Coolidge - "Patriotism is looking out for yourself by looking out for your Country.")
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To: Hero
There IS a huge conspiracy, which includes the unleashing of liberal trolls to demoralize us using methods such as this.

Hate to break it to you, bub, but the GOP-E has backstabbed, snubbed, and undermined Conservatives so much to clear the way for Romney that there is no enthusiasm for him within the base, even with Ryan on the ticket.

It's bubbling up to the surface now, and the grand-poobahs of the party are now scratching their hands wondering why we won't get on board with Team Romney.

Shooting messengers and cooking up conspiracy theories won't change that truth, and no amount of wishful thinking is going to make Conservatives turn out in droves for Romney.

43 posted on 09/16/2012 4:27:29 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: tsowellfan

Because he’s fighting the entire corrupt, media. It’s not an easy task to overcome. Just ask President Bush, Governor Palin, congressman Ryan or fill in the blank (R).


44 posted on 09/16/2012 4:31:25 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: ShovelThemOut

I get the idea that 2008 turnout levels have changed because Obama is less popular and the republicans won in 2010.

But, I’ve seen articles here claiming that use of 2008 levels for black turnout is wrong. I know all the arguments, I’m not convinced black support for Obama will decrease, I think black turnout may increase.


45 posted on 09/16/2012 4:31:57 AM PDT by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way!)
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To: Moorings
But the liberal orthodoxy of Repub consultants and strategists said that independents and the middle win elections. Who needs those pesky "puritans"? They were supposed to be on the plantation anyway with nowhere else to go.

Precisely. Team Romney's strategy all along was to knock out any potential TEA Party competitors (like Palin and Cain), get just enough Conservative votes to get through the primaries, and then turn left for the general election, aiming at "moderates," "independents," "fence-sitters," and disaffected democRats, based on the assumption that Conservative "purists" would ultimately get their arses in line and back Romney.

Now they're looking around and finding that the plantation is deserted, and so they're getting worried.

46 posted on 09/16/2012 4:33:25 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: ScottinVA

4. Romneycare = Obamacare and conservatives selling their souls pretending their is an ounce of difference between the two.


47 posted on 09/16/2012 4:41:13 AM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: Timber Rattler
Hate to break it to you, bub, but the GOP-E has backstabbed, snubbed, and undermined Conservatives so much to clear the way for Romney that there is no enthusiasm for him within the base, even with Ryan on the ticket.

This is how I see things as well. I was at a grandchild's sporting event yesterday in Baltimore. People were travelling from a 2 to 3 hour vicinity which should give us a decent cross section of red and blue cars. It did. There was a lot of time before my granddaughter went on so I took a walk through the several hundred car (or more car) fully packed parking lot. 2 Obama bumper stickers (and one of those was from the last election), 0 Romney stickers, 3 Sarah Palin stickers, and a pretty decent mix of assorted liberal and conservative stickers.

Because the sporting event was Irish dancing, you can be sure there was an oversampling of both conservative Catholic and Union Dem voters. The good news is that the union guys aren't very fired up. The fact that there was not a single Romney sticker on the cars (including my own) speaks volumes about the disgust the Republican base feels this time around. The Republican establishment apparently has to win this one on their own.

48 posted on 09/16/2012 4:41:37 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: Andrei Bulba

-——I think black turnout may increase.——

I think black turnout will decrease. There simply is not the intensity of historical precedent driving the average black to go vote. There will be many who will find an excuse to not vote while publicly saying I would have voted for him.

There are rational black people who will see the light and vote for Romney this time.

The actual breakdown will be hidden by the press and may even be lied about to save face.


49 posted on 09/16/2012 4:44:10 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: jersey117

Governor Palin overcame the media bias as recently as 2010 when he brought victory to the party.


50 posted on 09/16/2012 4:53:33 AM PDT by tsowellfan (Obama blaming Freedom of Speech for Al Qaeda attack on Embassies in Libya and Egypt on Sept 11)
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To: cripplecreek

Thank goodness Goldwater wasn’t elected in 1964...he’d have gotten us into a ruinous war in Southeast Asia and gotten a bunch of our men killed for no reason at all...no, wait.


51 posted on 09/16/2012 4:53:46 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Obama does not have the work ethic to be Anti-Christ.)
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To: Timber Rattler
Now they're looking around and finding that the plantation is deserted, and so they're getting worried.

There was plenty of warning from everyone from Rush Limbaugh to about 90% of FReepers.

Here's the big problem, Greta, for the Republicans. And I am a lone wolf on this. The rule of thumb in elections, both parties, 40 percent are going to vote Democrat automatically, whatever you do, 40 percent are going to vote Republican, automatic, no matter what you do. And in the middle, who do we have? The precious, God love them, independents and the moderates. And they are the targets. They are the focus of every election. And our brilliant campaign consultants tell our candidates they are the ones that know how to go get a majority of those independents. And we have, as Republicans, put ourselves in prison to this whole silly notion that you only win elections by moving to the center and getting great independents. Fine and dandy, but if you squander your base in the process, you haven't a prayer.

Rush Goes On the Record with Fox News Channel's Greta Van Susteren

Romney could fix this but he's got to stop listening to the yes men and start listening to the people on the right who don't like him.

As far as the media is concerned, sure the polls are probably biased but it won't make any more difference than it did in 08. The only way to overcome something like that is to nominate someone the people actually like enough to bury the democrats completely.
52 posted on 09/16/2012 4:53:54 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Andrei Bulba
I’m not convinced black support for Obama will decrease, I think black turnout may increase.

Exactly! The bias polls showing Obama way ahead is not so much to discourage republican voters as it is to ENCOURAGE democrat voters.

Another reason for the bias polling by the MSM is the fact that they refuse to acknowledge publically and report that their man Obama is not as popular as they wish.

53 posted on 09/16/2012 4:57:20 AM PDT by tsowellfan (Obama blaming Freedom of Speech for Al Qaeda attack on Embassies in Libya and Egypt on Sept 11)
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To: bert
A lot of us, myself included won't talk to pollsters.

This is the first election where I have NO republican bumperstickers on vehicles and NO signs in front of my house except for one local state rep.

Judging by what I see in the rest of my travels there are almost no political signs or bumperstickers.

We don't like or trust etch-a-sketch Romney, but we WILL hold our nose and vote for him to oust the moron there now.

54 posted on 09/16/2012 4:57:30 AM PDT by Mogger (Independence, better fuel economy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: Andrei Bulba
I know all the arguments, I’m not convinced black support for Obama will decrease, I think black turnout may increase.

Where do you live? I live in the Philadelphia area and I can say with absolute certainty there is no way Black turnout in my area will increase for this election. Black people are as de-energized as the rest of us. The economy has hit them hard. Last time around, you could not drive through a Black neighborhood without seeing nearly every house and car papered with Obama love notes. This time, very, very few.

55 posted on 09/16/2012 5:02:12 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: Andrei Bulba
I know all the arguments, I’m not convinced black support for Obama will decrease, I think black turnout may increase.

Where do you live? I live in the Philadelphia area and I can say with absolute certainty there is no way Black turnout in my area will increase for this election. Black people are as de-energized as the rest of us. The economy has hit them hard. Last time around, you could not drive through a Black neighborhood without seeing nearly every house and car papered with Obama love notes. This time, almost none.

56 posted on 09/16/2012 5:02:49 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: MuttTheHoople

If Goldwater had been elected private businessmen might have been forced to do business with people they had moral objections to like photographing gay marriages........oh wait.


57 posted on 09/16/2012 5:04:06 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: old and tired

“The fact that there was not a single Romney sticker on the cars (including my own) speaks volumes about the disgust the Republican base feels this time around.”

I think that has to do with the character and mindset of conservatives vs libs. A conservative respects the property of others, even lame-brained Obama supporters, and would never cause damage to another person’s vehicle. OTOH, libs are simple pigs and are happy to deface cars with pro-American stickers. That’s why we have nothing on our cars.


58 posted on 09/16/2012 5:04:46 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: cripplecreek
There's really been no change in Romney's numbers since he first hopped into the primaries. Has he ever broken the 50% mark?

It would be BIG news, out-of-the-ordinary and a record breaker if Romney were to actually hit 50% at some point during this long campaign. So, there's nothing really odd or unexpected that he's still under 50%.

Yes, the MSM lie in their polls.

But even the pollsters with accurate reputations either have Romney down or just a point or two above Obama.

With this failed Presidency of Obama - Romney should be up at the very least 10% above Obama.

And for those Romney supporters who blame the liberal media for Romney's bad poll numbers - what they're really saying is that Romney is an ineffective speaker who is and as President will be unable to convince the doubters to give republican plans and philosophies a chance and follow his leadership.

If Romney cannot be effective enough to overcome the bias media, then how can he be expected to overcome the opposition when he's trying to lead this nation out of crisis?

59 posted on 09/16/2012 5:10:46 AM PDT by tsowellfan (Obama blaming Freedom of Speech for Al Qaeda attack on Embassies in Libya and Egypt on Sept 11)
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To: cripplecreek

Heh. Some things never change, unfortunately.


60 posted on 09/16/2012 5:10:52 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Conservatism didn't magically show up in Romney's heart in 2012. You can't force what isn't in you.)
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