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To: SkyPilot; Gilbo_3; Mr. K
RE :”As insane as it sounds, the Republicans really believed that the Democrats on the “Super Committee” would be adults and would compromise. They thought of sequestration as “too bad to really be implemented

Yes, It doesn't sound the least bit believable SO it probably IS NOT true at all, as Judge Judy ALWAYS says. But that is what Ryan and CO are claiming NOW because they have their fingerprints all over this piece of crap bill that they are demonizing now. Ryan praised it as ‘historic’ in his House floor vote speech. So much for Ryan's view of history.

The claim is so ridiculous that they (Ryan and CO) THOUGHT that Dems would LATER cut their own gravy train (and their voters votes) to protect Republicans gravy train (Defense spending) when Dems were saying ‘hell no’ at the time. Dems never wanted any spending cuts, they just wanted the debt limit increase. Why would they (later) possibly give in on spending to help Republicans out of the hole they themselves dug?

I feel insulted that they think we are that STUPID to believe this.

Recall that Boehner rammed this bill though the house twisting arms for R votes after crafting it in secret with Dems like Pelosi did with O-care.

IT STINKS!

12 posted on 09/17/2012 10:51:51 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: SkyPilot; Gilbo_3; Mr. K
Here is Ryan's speech praising this bill and the bipartisionship involved:

"We are actually cutting spending when we do this. That's cultural. That's significant. That's a big step in the right direction. "
Paul Ryan: Bipartisan Budget Control Act Marks a Cultural Shift in Washington

No mention of being against any budget cuts in the bill back then.

More recently Paul Ryan on CBS FTN says he voted FOR the Budget Control Act but NOT FOR the defense cuts in the same Budget Control Act he voted for and praised, he said he was always against those ???

O'DONNELL: Congressman, these defense cuts are part of the Budget Control Act. You voted for the Budget Control Act. In fact I went and looked, you put on the a statement at the time it was passed and you called it a victory, and you called it a positive step forward.
So, you voted for defense cuts. And now you're criticizing the president for those same defense cuts that you voted for and called a victory.

RYAN: No, no, I have to correct you on this, Norah. I voted for a mechanism that says a sequester will occur if we don't cut $1.2 trillion spending in government. We offered $1.2 trillion in various — the super committee offered it. We passed in the House a bill to prevent those devastating defense cuts by cutting spending elsewhere. The senate's done nothing. President Obama’s done nothing.

“Face the Nation” transcripts, September 9, 2012(page 2)

13 posted on 09/17/2012 11:01:19 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: sickoflibs
Ryan voted as he did because he is part of the House leadership. He knew the deal was bad, but he did what he did because the debt ceiling was about to expire, Obama was threatening to stop Social Security checks the next week (remember?), and he knew the media and Democrats would blame 100% of it on the Republicans. Gingrich is a brilliant man, but until he had the votes he caved also.

I must disagree on your moral equivalency that Democrat protected entitlement programs are on par with national defense. One charge is in the Constitution, one is not. Moreover, less than 4% of our GDP now goes to defense, a historic low. We have become a nation of direct deposit worshipers.......political conservatives as well. I have seen long term Freepers sport the "Support our Troops!" banter in their posts in one breath, and then go ballistic about raising the retirement age for Social Security in the next. I guarantee you that when the next crisis comes (and it will), those Americans who never wore this nation's uniform will be pushing our military to the front of the line demanding we do something now!. Trust me.....I have lived through it time and time again.

14 posted on 09/17/2012 1:07:33 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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