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UNREAL: Mother Arrested And Jailed For Allowing Kids To Play Outside
http://www.libertynews.com ^ | september 17, 2012

Posted on 09/17/2012 9:51:58 AM PDT by lowbridge

A stay-at-home mom from La Porte has filed a lawsuit against the city’s police department, an unknown officer and one of her neighbors.

Tammy Cooper said she was wrongly accused of endangering her children and was even forced to spend the night in jail, all because she let her kids play outside.

She said her children, ages 9 and 6, were riding their motorized scooters in the cul-de-sac where they live while she watched from a lawn chair in her front yard just a few feet away.

“I was out there the entire time,” Cooper said. “I never left that lawn chair the entire time.”

Cooper said a little while later, a La Porte police car pulled up in front of her home.

“I went out there to see what he was here for and he said, ‘Ma’am, we’re here for you.’ I said, ‘Oh really? Why?’ He proceeded to tell me he had received a call from one of my neighbors that my kids were riding their scooters unsupervised.

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1 posted on 09/17/2012 9:52:00 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: lowbridge

I’m guessing there’s more to this story...


2 posted on 09/17/2012 9:55:50 AM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: lowbridge

If this is accurate, The cops are gonna pay.....and pay....and pay


3 posted on 09/17/2012 9:58:52 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: lowbridge

What country was this in?
It couldn’t be in MY America................


4 posted on 09/17/2012 10:01:32 AM PDT by Red Badger (Anyone who thinks wisdom comes with age is either too young or too stupid to know the difference....)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal
In one quote, she claims to have been out there the entire time. In the next quote, she says she went out there to see what was he was here for.

It sounds an awfult lot as if the kids were playing in the street while momma was inside watching the soaps (or whatever the 21st Century equivalent of watching the soaps may be).

5 posted on 09/17/2012 10:05:50 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

“I’m guessing there’s more to this story...”

Yeah, the “more to the story” is that this is LaPorte, Texas. Home to morons in uniform.


6 posted on 09/17/2012 10:09:00 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: Mr. Lucky
Cooper said a little while later, a La Porte police car pulled up in front of her home.

“I went out there to see what he was here for

Doesn't sound as if the police showed up while the kids were riding outside.

7 posted on 09/17/2012 10:10:10 AM PDT by Abby4116
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To: Mr. Lucky

No, she went “out there” to the street. Did you expect the cops to park their car on her front lawn? Use your brains.


8 posted on 09/17/2012 10:11:27 AM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

LaPorte has long been known as a speed trap town with ridiculously low speed limits within its limits. It is home to the Houston Yacht Club and on a major route to the boating centers near Houston. It was quite common for people visiting the area to not be aware of the towns reputation and donate to the coffers.

I was very active in the boating community when I lived in nearby Pasadena. We were well aware of the cops activities and still had a problem staying within the speed limits.

I hope the lady breaks their bank and then some...


9 posted on 09/17/2012 10:14:42 AM PDT by CenTex (Born in a 'red' state (Okla), moved to a 'blue' state (Tex) at very early age... (grin)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

There always is...


10 posted on 09/17/2012 10:15:40 AM PDT by Gator113 (I would have voted for NEWT, now it's Ryan and the other guy.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: lowbridge

A nebby neighborhood busybody did this...

I bet they were a neighborhood watch nazi or HOA butthole.

I hope she bankrupts the cops and this “neighbor”.


11 posted on 09/17/2012 10:18:52 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: Mr. Lucky

Why always assume the JBT’s are right.

More bozos with badges.

This is why many of us here at FR hate the donut-munching dog-shooting cowards.


12 posted on 09/17/2012 10:20:30 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: lowbridge

And>>>>>>> Since when is it a crime to let your kids play outside unsupervised? If that were they case, my entire neighborhood would have been behind bars when I was a kid.


13 posted on 09/17/2012 10:20:54 AM PDT by Bruinator ("For socialism is not merely the labour question, it is before all things an atheistic question")
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To: lowbridge

14 posted on 09/17/2012 10:21:40 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

I’m surprised the cops didn’t shoot her dog, too.


15 posted on 09/17/2012 10:21:57 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: lowbridge

I too believe there is more to the story.

The police may have a case since the two kids are under the age of being able to ride the bike licensed. IF they were riding in the street and not on their own property then she would be in violation of allowing underage kids riding a motor vehicle in the road. I know this is against the law. I got busted for it back in the 70s when me and some friends were riding my minibike from our yard into the street in front of my house and back into my yard. The cops stopped by to tell my dad that we can’t cross the sidewalk or we would be breaking the law by taking an unlicensed vehicle into a roadway and that we would need to have drivers licenses to do so. We didn’t get arrested or ticketed but we did get warned. As should this woman have been if this is what happened.


16 posted on 09/17/2012 10:22:41 AM PDT by History Repeats (Drink plenty of TEA, but avoid the Koolaid.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

You’re an utter moron if you think this is true. The police won’t pay a dime. Any award she may be given will be taken from the taxpayers, not the police. In other words, WE get punished for some idiot neighbor using the police to try to control the lives of others, and the police stupidly allow them to.


17 posted on 09/17/2012 10:24:08 AM PDT by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: History Repeats

That’s the stupidest thing I ever heard.

Sounds like nosy neighbors and dumb dog-shooters to me.

I hope she wins.

I always like to see cops pay and pay and pay.....


18 posted on 09/17/2012 10:25:37 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: Teacher317

Well, that’s what you get for living in an area with stupid cops.

If your taxes have to pay for this, tough.

Hire better civil servants and tell old nebby idiot neighbors to mind their business or else.


19 posted on 09/17/2012 10:27:25 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: Bruinator

Lol - no kidding! We got put out in the morning, showed up for lunch, and were gone again until supper!

My kids did the same - but I did check on them regularly. We lived out in the country, so it was a little safer.


20 posted on 09/17/2012 10:27:25 AM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Not only going after the administration that hired this bozo, but she should go after the arresting officer personally. Sue him over his insurance policy limit. Then find the neighbor and end up with their house for being a lying busybody. Sue over the limit of their homeowner’s policy as well.

And she should post signs throughout the neighborhood on what that neighbor did. Let the neighbor taste truth and permanent damage to one’s reputation.


21 posted on 09/17/2012 10:27:25 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: Mr. Lucky
"went out there to see what was he was here for."

This obviously refers to the street area where the cops were.

But if she HAD been inside, do you think this justifies arresting her for letting the kids play outside?

22 posted on 09/17/2012 10:28:15 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

Short on details, long on outrage. Methinks you’re correct.


23 posted on 09/17/2012 10:28:57 AM PDT by wbill
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To: wbill

Sounds like another JBT worshiper weighs in.


24 posted on 09/17/2012 10:29:59 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: lowbridge

“ages 9 and 6, were riding their motorized scooters in the street”

6?


25 posted on 09/17/2012 10:32:18 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: lowbridge

this peasant..you see ..was “stay at home Mom”

that’s all you need to know about the situation. she’s “supposed’ to be out at work..contributing to the Feds tax coffers ..and putting her kids in subsidized public school and day care. /s


26 posted on 09/17/2012 10:34:32 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: lowbridge
The advantage to this kind of JBT overreach and tyranny is that each day there are just that many more people who will offer, "Yeah, put the IED right there, the thugs park there to run a speed treap..."

Can't happen? Every time a nonsense ticket is issued so some jerkwater burg can buy the mayor a new car...

Ask Nicolae Ceaușescu how he spent his Christmas in 1989, or Moamar Quadafy if his hemorrhoids are better...

27 posted on 09/17/2012 10:34:50 AM PDT by jonascord (DC told them to is)
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To: lowbridge

28 posted on 09/17/2012 10:36:39 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: lowbridge
YOu always expect there is more to a story.

This link references the story along with another story, but offers no new information. I think this link gets something wrong, because it says "a few days ago", but the current story is she is suing, not that this just happened: Children at Play Parents Criminalization

Here's a couple of more links. Not much more information: Mom arrested

Mom Sues Police

All I could find was that the charges were dropped, but the police stand by their actions.

My opinion: We have a he-said/she-said situation. The woman claims she was watching the entire time. The neighbor said she wasn't. The police would interview both, and decide who seemed more truthful. The inclination would be to believe the neighbor, who on the face of it doesn't have a clear motive for lying, while the mother would be expected to lie in order to keep from being arrested.

That has nothing to do with who I think is telling the truth; just how you'd expect police to think, if it wasn't clear from the interviews that someone was lying (changing story, getting details wrong, etc.).

Remember, all we know HERE is the woman's statement made NOW, when she is suing. We don't know what she said to police, we have no way of knowing if she is telling the truth here. For all we know she confessed to stepping inside to get a drink, or use the bathroom. Or she changed her story several times.

All we know is what she is telling us now. And she is suing. So she again has some reason to paint things in her favor.

The police say they ocntacted the district attorney, so there is a contemporaneous record, and probably police reports. If we could see them, we'd have a better chance at understanding.

Last point: I don't think there is any jurisdiction where it is actually LEGAL for children to play in a public street. We all assume that cul-de-sacs are free for play, but the police can pretty much come and run you off anytime they want. Streets are for cars, not kids playing.

That makes perfect sense, from the safety perspective. I know we all played in the street. But if she tries to argue this, I bet there is a law they can charge her with that will land her back in jail.

I presume "motorized scooters" were those plastic things with 12-volt batteries, because she'd definitely get arrested if she allowed a 6-year-old to drive a REAL motorized vehicle in the street.

29 posted on 09/17/2012 10:46:49 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: AppyPappy

When have you known reporters to get ANYTHING correct when describing items in a news report? Lots of motorized things a 6 year old could be riding. The 9 yo was probably riding a motorized scooter.

My guess is that a neighbor bought into a nice old folks neighborhood and it’s since flipped to lots of families. Families have kids and kids are the opposite of a nice quiet place. The old grouch now hollers at and calls the cops on everyone. I”ve seen it many times.


30 posted on 09/17/2012 10:47:01 AM PDT by SengirV
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To: Emperor Palpatine

Neighborhood watch nazi? Similar feelings to the chap policing Trayvon Martin?

Can a 6 year old legally drive a motorzed bike, there?

At best it is confusing where mom was.


31 posted on 09/17/2012 10:49:08 AM PDT by sakic
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To: lowbridge

ON the more general question — six is a bit young to be unsupervised, but on your own property it’s nobody’s business. Once they are in the street, things can get murky. I would have allowed my 9-year-old and 6-year-old to ride their bikes around the neighborhood; that would put them in the street, and unsupervised.

So I still think there might be more to this story. Maybe the fact that they were in the street on short scooters, maybe darting around parked cars, put them at risk for being hit by cars who might not see them.


32 posted on 09/17/2012 10:50:06 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Bruinator

I agree with you. We knew it was time to go home when the street lights came on. Ah the good old days!


33 posted on 09/17/2012 10:51:09 AM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: Mr. Lucky
In one quote, she claims to have been out there the entire time. In the next quote, she says she went out there to see what was he was here for.

The two quotes are not necessarily incompatible. Maybe she "went out" to his car, not "went out" of the house...

It sounds an awfult lot as if the kids were playing in the street while momma was inside watching the soaps (or whatever the 21st Century equivalent of watching the soaps may be).

Even if this is true, how does that break the law? I used to ride all over town on my bicycle without adult supervision. Heck, during the summer we would leave in the morning and not come back until dark.

34 posted on 09/17/2012 10:52:10 AM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: lowbridge

Last point. Things have definitely changed. In my day, a 9-year-old and a 6-year-old would have walked to school together, maybe for a half-mile. That puts them in the street (my neighborhood had no sidewalks), unsupervised, and well away from home.

Nowadays, it seems we bus a lot more kids, and only those who live almost within sight of the elementary schools can walk there. I don’t know if 9-year-olds would be allowed to walk further or not.


35 posted on 09/17/2012 10:52:50 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

200 million people grew up safely playing in the streets, one way or another, Charles.

Your defense of the indefensible really is fantastically annoying.

The woman was ARRESTED on the word of an anonymous neighborhood busybody. Not warned, not verified, arrested on a charge so trumped-up they had to immediately let her go.

That’s jackboot crap, and everyone knows it.

Even you - which is why your defense of it is so perverted.

Why don’t you go live in China - they reward people like you with good government jobs and pensions, there. Or are you already paid for your writing, here?


36 posted on 09/17/2012 10:55:41 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: lowbridge

“...riding their motorized scooters...”

It sounds like they were driving the neigbors crazy with the noise, so someone called the police.

Good for them.


37 posted on 09/17/2012 10:56:22 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

You said the nieghbor had no reason to lie. You have no way of knowing that. Therefore, your entire post is invalid.


38 posted on 09/17/2012 11:02:02 AM PDT by Ecliptic (.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

See, that’s the problem... these enforcers never experience any individual personal consequences.

Any lawsuit comes out of the city’s coffers, not their own.


39 posted on 09/17/2012 11:05:26 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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To: Mr. Lucky

Or it could just be that the cops didn’t show up until after mom and the kids had packed up and went back inside.


40 posted on 09/17/2012 11:06:24 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: History Repeats

“I got busted for it back in the 70s when me and some friends were riding my minibike from our yard into the street in front of my house and back into my yard.”

I had similar happen to me in Houston. The two cops wrote up five traffic tickets for separate charges and laughed about it all the while. I had to sell my bike to pay the fines. I had been raised to respect the police up to that point; I never have again, since that day of enlightenment.


41 posted on 09/17/2012 11:12:17 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

There’s got to be. My 10-yr.-old grandson rides on one of those in his neighborhood, and his friends ride scooters too. My daughter keeps close tabs on him, although she doesn’t watch him every minute. He has specific rules to follow, such as wearing a helmet, watching for cars, etc.. She’s never got in trouble for not watching him, or not supervising him!


42 posted on 09/17/2012 11:21:24 AM PDT by dsutah
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To: sakic

It sounds like it was one of those battery-powered kiddie cycles/cars/whatever.

On a suburban street with little traffic.

And I detest Neighborhood Watch Nazis.

They’re a bunch of nebby self-important busybodies, just like HOA fascists.

This neighbor that called the cops on her deserves a huge lawsuit...they deserve a punch in the face, too.


43 posted on 09/17/2012 11:31:18 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
I can follow your argument, and I agree w/ you.

You or I could easily defend ourselves against a busy body neighbor in this situation, if the accusation wasn't true.

Get wishy washy with a cop where child safety comes into play? Yeah, I think they are going to look at you a little harder. Throw in an attitude? (I’m guessing) & your day just got real crappy, real fast.

44 posted on 09/17/2012 11:32:58 AM PDT by enraged
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To: jonascord

Or Saddam Hussein if he has a sore throat...


45 posted on 09/17/2012 11:33:41 AM PDT by dsutah
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To: CharlesWayneCT

You are seriously disturbed upstairs, pal.


46 posted on 09/17/2012 11:33:41 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: vette6387
Yeah, the “more to the story” is that this is LaPorte, Texas. Home to morons in uniform.

BINGO!

47 posted on 09/17/2012 11:34:03 AM PDT by TexanByBirth (Free Republic: where they may agree with the message, but they love to shoot the messenger!)
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To: lowbridge

Wait just a minute. I used to be a CPS worker in TX. If anything, this is a CPS case, not a police case. In CPS, it would be promptly closed as unfounded, if even taken in the first place. No way should the police come anywhere near it. Dispatch should have referred the caller to CPS. If it got past dispatch, the officers should have known better. To go to the extent as to throw her in jail, I-don’t-think-so. There needs to be some serious public apologies and calling the chief on the carpet or a swift boot kick out the door if this is his policy.

OTOH, perhaps there much more to the story than what is being told here.


48 posted on 09/17/2012 11:36:41 AM PDT by bgill
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To: SengirV

Then the old grouch needs to either deal with it, move, or croak.

Miserable old geezers ruin nice neighborhoods with families.

This is what retirement homes and The Villages” are for.


49 posted on 09/17/2012 11:39:46 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

Another mental giant heard from

/sarc


50 posted on 09/17/2012 11:41:34 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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