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Feds say Idaho Power must buy wind power [as predicted, it's not just healthcare]
Northwest Cable News ^ | September 20, 2012 | unknown

Posted on 09/23/2012 11:11:31 AM PDT by matt1234

Edited on 09/23/2012 2:23:41 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

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To: Gaffer

Can you cite the law that states that Idaho Power would be forced into signing such a contract?


21 posted on 09/23/2012 12:10:30 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: Eva

Idaho Power while regulated is a private company and as private company does not have to get the approval of all its customers prior to entering into a contract.


22 posted on 09/23/2012 12:15:43 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: Uncle Slayton

Maybe it’s not the same in Idaho, but in WA, voters have final say over power contracts and rates. They can’t do anything without voter approval and that is understood, it doesn’t have to be spelled out.

There are no profits in wind energy, outside of government subsidies because the power must used when it is produced, whether it is needed or not and whether there is line capacity at that time or not.


23 posted on 09/23/2012 12:16:31 PM PDT by Eva (Obama and Hillary lied, Americans died.)
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To: matt1234
Nice power company you have here. Shame if anything would happen to it.

Maybe you need to buy some "wind power protection" to keep it safe.

24 posted on 09/23/2012 12:16:31 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Eva

I am not advocating for any alternative fuel source, but simply stating that parties that sign a contract should abide by the terms of the contract.


25 posted on 09/23/2012 12:28:31 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: zeestephen

I live in WA. This is the state that determined that hydro-electric energy is a non-renewable resource. Apparently once the water has gone past the dam, it’s never coming back. A democrat-run state, what can you expect?


26 posted on 09/23/2012 12:30:04 PM PDT by beelzepug ("Blind obedience to arbitrary rules is a sign of mental illness")
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To: Eva

“They can’t do anything without voter approval and that is understood, it doesn’t have to be spelled out.”

Sorry, I did not know that Washington State was entrenched under the thumb of Marxism where the public dictated every aspect of a private company’s business.


27 posted on 09/23/2012 12:32:49 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: GeronL
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28 posted on 09/23/2012 12:44:23 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

That is pretty awesome.

Windmills in the Dustbowl Era


29 posted on 09/23/2012 12:45:27 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Mad Dawgg; Eva; Gaffer; Uncle Slayton

BUMP

I already parodied this:

http://asspos.blogspot.com/2012/09/ferc-ruling-aids-family-wind-farms.html


30 posted on 09/23/2012 12:48:47 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Uncle Slayton

On the contrary, while WA State is very Marxist, the voter review of power company rate increases is as it should be because our hydro dams were built by the government and sold to private power companies. I am not sure that the actual dams were sold, but the right to operate them was sold.

Your wind farms were built with federal dollars as well, so what’s the difference?


31 posted on 09/23/2012 12:58:53 PM PDT by Eva (Obama and Hillary lied, Americans died.)
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To: GeronL
I don't know if you have read Stanley Kurtz' book, Spreading the Wealth, but WA State is well on the way and part of their agenda is preserving the rural land for nothing but farming, but they don't really like farms anyway, at least not dairy farms or pig farms. Anyway the local Greens took the county to court for non-compliance with the state Growth Management Act, claiming that the current zoning did not preserve the rural character of the land in the unincorporated areas of the county and insisted that land between the RR and the interstate (and international border connector) be down zoned to R-10. But then one enterprising Green and his supporters decided that some of that farm land would make an excellent wind farm. So, I went to the county council and pointed out that it was hypocritical for the Greens to want to preserve the rural character of a strip of land between the RR and the interstate and then want to turn real farm land into a wind farm. The council agreed and passed a regulation that wind farms could not be placed on any ag land in Whatcom County. So, now they are pushing for wind farms on forestry land.
32 posted on 09/23/2012 1:07:57 PM PDT by Eva (Obama and Hillary lied, Americans died.)
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To: Uncle Slayton

NO I can’t cite them....I don’t own an electric utility generation company, but I know in the past other electric utilities have been forced, either by state or federal law to buy excess wind-generated power. That’s pretty much a given as far as I’m concerned. They wouldn’t be doing it in the first place if they weren’t forced to.


33 posted on 09/23/2012 1:16:34 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: GeronL

Tru dat...it’s just like damned ethanol....


34 posted on 09/23/2012 1:18:14 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Eva

The power producing dams in your state are not owned by private companies.

And any agreements that your power companies may have with the federal government are not relevant as to why the people of Washington State would be abel to dictate to these private companies what they can and cannot do.

And being the the federal taxpayer paid for those dams to be built in Washington State, can citizens of California, New York, Florida and Texas dictate the prices that people in Washington State pay for electricity?


35 posted on 09/23/2012 1:20:30 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: Gaffer

Why would Idaho Power sign a long term contract to buy wind generated power when they were already forced by law to buy wind generated power?

Seems a bit redundant.


36 posted on 09/23/2012 1:23:30 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: Uncle Slayton

My guess is they were forced into renewing.....only a guess. Where the government is involved, one never knows. Ask the premium bond holders of GMs equity. After Obama’s henchmen got through with their threats, they got pennies on the dollar, if that.

Wind and solar generation industries are subsidized....have been almost since their inception...just like the VOLT, just like Ethanol, just like most any other industry that tickles some tree hugger’s fancy or can put large donations in a Democrat’s pocket.

This isn’t worth talking about anymore. Wasted energy...bye


37 posted on 09/23/2012 1:30:38 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Uncle Slayton

I said that I wasn’t sure if the state actually sold the dams or just the rights to operate the dams, but all power companies in the state are regulated by some commission that approves or disapproves rate increases and those increases usually go to the voters first.

It’s the way it is set up here. We don’t need any “green energy”, we have enough hydro-power to supply all the power that the state needs, but they have never operated the dams at full capacity.

Wind energy is a scam. There is no money in it, outside of federal subsidies. Take away the federal subsidies and the whole wind energy industry would collapse. Studies indicate that 80% of the wind turbines that are erected cease to be operated within ten years of construction, so they just sit there, as giant eye sores.


38 posted on 09/23/2012 1:35:11 PM PDT by Eva (Obama and Hillary lied, Americans died.)
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To: matt1234

Crap. I have to subsidize another green fail via my electric bill. My bills have been low due to good hydro power.


39 posted on 09/23/2012 1:40:09 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Eva
They force the power companies in WA State to buy wind energy, also, even though we have more than enough hydro-power to supply our energy needs.

Heh. You won't when they blow up all the dams.

40 posted on 09/23/2012 3:46:10 PM PDT by BfloGuy (Without economic freedom, no other form of freedom can have material meaning.)
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