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Mom angry that male vice principal spanked child
ABC News Blogs via Yahoo ^ | 22 Sep 2012 | Abby Ellin

Posted on 09/23/2012 11:14:43 AM PDT by Repeat Offender

Rather than spend two days in in-school suspension for allegedly letting another student copy her classwork, Taylor Santos, a well-regarded student and athlete at Springtown High School, near Fort Worth, Texas, chose to get paddled.

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There are several things I like about this article:

1. The former math teacher that is now a paid agitator; also note that he mentions some public skrewl officials get sadistic pleasure out of hitting kids

2. How it is okay to spank if it is a woman spanking a girl because even though the schools tell us we are all equal and girls are just as strong as men......well they admit men hit harder

3. Texas still allows spanking in school

1 posted on 09/23/2012 11:14:47 AM PDT by Repeat Offender
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To: Repeat Offender

If I got spanked at elementary school, I’d get it again when I got home, guaranteed. And that was California!


2 posted on 09/23/2012 11:20:36 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ah, just remembering the good ol dayw with the boat paddle in the Principal’s office.

One smack is all it took.

At first you heard the noise. Then the pain starts to slowly set in.

Can almost feel it now.


3 posted on 09/23/2012 11:24:09 AM PDT by Hammerhead
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I'm afraid that any spanking done today in Kalifornia schools only occur in "50 Shades of Gray" class I mean American Literature.
4 posted on 09/23/2012 11:26:54 AM PDT by Repeat Offender (Official Romney/GOP-E Platform - We suck less)
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To: Hammerhead

Mr. Campbell had a frat paddle with holes in it. Got it once! Once was enough!


5 posted on 09/23/2012 11:27:37 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Hammerhead

Our phys ed instructor used an old tennis shoe - talk about impressing an everlasting sting.


6 posted on 09/23/2012 11:33:54 AM PDT by monocle
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To: Repeat Offender
Sorry, folks, I don't care what the infraction was, you don't allow any male to spank a teenage girl for ANY reason...


7 posted on 09/23/2012 11:38:36 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: Repeat Offender
In Texas schools, discipline is usually the duty of the vice-principal. I was a Texas teacher, then a counselor for many years. I don't think spanking should be in schools. Alternate school was developed for this reason - to remove the child from his/her friends and make the point bad behavior has a consequence.

In this case, the girl is a good student and not a trouble maker. However, letting someone copy her work deserves that she understand this is a serious offense. If she did that in college, she risks being kicked out. She should be sent to the alternative school for those few days as the original punishment was. Never again would she make that mistake.

I recall a lab test in Biology in college. A student kept following me around, trying to copy my work. I finally went to the professor to report this so I wouldn't be suspected of helping this student cheat. I didn't want to risk being expelled from college.

8 posted on 09/23/2012 11:42:46 AM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE)
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To: Repeat Offender

Paddling done the right way is healthy and productive.

In this case, given the nature of the wounds, the male principal who did the paddling was obviously excessive. Probably a teamster type, who is mad with union power. He can legally abuse little girls, and he knows it.

Most government schools ARE child abuse.


9 posted on 09/23/2012 11:44:45 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant
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To: Marcella; All

The issue is not the spanking but that a male spanked a teen girl in violation of the school policy the assistant principal should have known.

You don’t want perverts getting their jollies seeing teen girl’s behinds.

It’s just not appropriate even for an innocent spanking, as I am sure he is not one of those perverts. But, it’s only appropriate to have the same gender doing the spanking.


10 posted on 09/23/2012 11:54:05 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: Marcella
Alternate school was developed for this reason

Alternative school is so that good kids who did something wrong can get training in how to be bad from the professional punks.

11 posted on 09/23/2012 12:02:14 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: rwfromkansas
The issue is not the spanking but that a male spanked a teen girl in violation of the school policy the assistant principal should have known.

You might want to actually read the article. There is NO policy that says discipline must be administered by by the same gender.

12 posted on 09/23/2012 12:05:11 PM PDT by verga (Forced to remove tag line by administrator)
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To: LibFreeUSA

I can’t believe all the people here bragging about the methods that were used on them back in the day, like it was something to be proud of. I got swatted one time in junior high back in the ‘50s by a principal who was as sadistic as anyone I ever met. I hate that man to this day (yes, the old bastard is still alive).

Assault is assault. There is no gray area. If you can’t maintain discipline in your school without physically abusing your students, find a different line of work AWAY FROM CHILDREN! This man should be in jail.


13 posted on 09/23/2012 12:06:25 PM PDT by beelzepug ("Blind obedience to arbitrary rules is a sign of mental illness")
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To: UnwashedPeasant

I’ve never understood why so many conservatives want to let union thugs hit their kids.


14 posted on 09/23/2012 12:06:58 PM PDT by BinaryBoy (I'm anti-socialism because I'm anti-slavery.)
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To: LibFreeUSA

Yeah, I find that kind of creepy too.


15 posted on 09/23/2012 12:22:11 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: Repeat Offender
What other choices does this male high school employee offer the young ladies at this high school?

This is nuts!

16 posted on 09/23/2012 12:24:09 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: verga
You might want to actually read the article. There is NO policy that says discipline must be administered by by the same gender.


Actually, as I read the article, it very strongly implies that there IS a “same sex” policy, and the School Superintendent wants to change it.

"...Neither Jorgensen, nor the vice principal nor Springtown ISD Superintendent Mike Kelley, was available for comment by ABC News. But according to WFAA, Kelley is going to ask the school board to abolish the same gender policy, since adhering to it can be difficult on some campuses..."

Why would he want to abolish it if it doesn't exist?

17 posted on 09/23/2012 12:25:07 PM PDT by az_gila
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To: Repeat Offender
Male adult employees spanking young ladies in high school, who are old enough for military service in less than two years?

Is there no other alternative like extra home work, after school clean up etc?

If this was my daughter, I'd be chasing this SOB down.

18 posted on 09/23/2012 12:29:08 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: LibFreeUSA

I don’t know about this particular situation, but i’d say a good portion of the young female population could use some regular spankings.


19 posted on 09/23/2012 12:31:49 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Repeat Offender

Spanking in elementary school ... maybe. I’d rather see the parents called in and required to administer consequences, under threat of having to keep their little darling at home the rest of his childhood.

Spanking in high school, no way no how no body. If there’s cheating going on, hit the kids in the grades, ban them from sports ... something that really matters to them. Now this girls is national celebrity Victim, and the focus is completely off her dishonesty.


20 posted on 09/23/2012 12:32:38 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("In the kingdom of the blind, sight is a crime and mentioning what you see is a gaffe.")
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To: Repeat Offender

Anyone who chooses to physically hurt anyone else’s children deserves to be stood by a wall and shot. The school is not the judiciary. All infractions must be addressed in a professional manner, without any physical attacks by unauthorised personnel.


21 posted on 09/23/2012 12:33:07 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: BinaryBoy
I’ve never understood why so many conservatives want to let union thugs hit their kids.

Same here. If parents see the need to physically discipline their children, that's their right and their decision. But I don't trust any public school employee nearly far enough to let them raise their hands to my kids. Getting caught in a cheating incident is a reason to suspend a student - it is not a reason to let some grown man spank or otherwise lay hands on your teenage daughter.
22 posted on 09/23/2012 12:33:15 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: BinaryBoy
Because conservatives are aware that undisciplined kids tend to become thugs and wastrels.

I guess it comes from not wearing rose colored glasses.

But like you say, YOU will never understand.

23 posted on 09/23/2012 12:35:16 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: verga; All

Actually, there is a policy that only the same-gender adult may conduct a spanking.

Here is a link to the Springtown ISD board policy on student discipline, and the relevant section of the policy:

“Corporal punishment shall be administered only by an employee who is the same sex as the student.”

http://pol.tasb.org/Policy/Download/983?filename=FO(LOCAL).pdf

The parent is right. The principal violated her daughter.


24 posted on 09/23/2012 12:38:28 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: Tax-chick
Spanking in elementary school ... maybe.

Even then, ya don't have adult male school employees spanking little elementary school girls.

It's no secret, the government public schools are teaming with perverted sadistic freaks. Not a week goes by without another perverted public school teacher found going after the kids.

A male adult, spanking a high school sophomore girl?

This is off the charts.

25 posted on 09/23/2012 12:39:37 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: BinaryBoy
I’ve never understood why so many conservatives want to let union thugs hit their kids.

They're just idiots.

26 posted on 09/23/2012 12:43:59 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Repeat Offender

9th and 10th grade Assistant Principal
http://www.springtownisd.net/98120225202931733/site/default.asp


27 posted on 09/23/2012 12:46:02 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: dragnet2

As a high school teacher, I agree. I am sorry, but many of these high school girls could easily pass for college age in many cases. And there are some real pervos out there. Better safe than sorry.


28 posted on 09/23/2012 12:46:35 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: dragnet2
Even then, ya don't have adult male school employees spanking little elementary school girls.

I agree - and I'm recalibrating my opinion to "no spanking except by parents." Yes, undisciplined children cause a lot of problems, but they have to be the responsibility of their parents. If the parents don't want responsibility, make it worth their while. "We're sorry, but your child may not attend this institution unless his behavior approximates our standards."

Another term for "sophomore high school girl" is "grown woman." This should never have happened, unless someone also spanks teachers who cheat (/s). Schools don't want to impose consequences that will affect the student's future college admissions, but those are the only ones that matter, in many situations. A few object lessons, pour encourager les autres, would make a big dent in a school's cheating problem.

29 posted on 09/23/2012 12:52:29 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("In the kingdom of the blind, sight is a crime and mentioning what you see is a gaffe.")
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To: rwfromkansas

You bet.

To be honest, even as a Dad, there is no way I’d be spanking my daughter who would be old enough to serve in the military in less than two years. There are many other ways to deal with issues as they get older.


30 posted on 09/23/2012 12:59:13 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: verga
There is NO policy that says discipline must be administered by by the same gender.

You might want to read the article again:

"The vice principal added that he had no idea about the same gender swatting, Jorgensen said.... Butt according to WFAA, Kelley is going to ask the school board to abolish the same gender policy, since adhering to it can be difficult on some campuses. Jorgensen told WFAA that she will be at the school board meeting to encourage them not to abolish the same-gender policy.

"I think Taylor is proof that we need to keep that policy," she said. "I don't believe a man intentionally meant to do that to her, but it still happens, because men are too big and strong to be hitting 96-pound girls."

31 posted on 09/23/2012 12:59:17 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Repeat Offender
The REAL crime is that if the parents did this, they'd be arrested. But when an indemnified government flunky does it without ANY judicial authority or legal due process, he's untouchable.

America needs to get it's head out of its ass and WAKE UP.

And ride these DAMN public education employees out of town on a RAIL.


32 posted on 09/23/2012 1:03:26 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Same here. Mr. Milby’s paddle had holes in it about the diameter of golf balls. One time was all it took to convince me that I did not want a repeat visit.


33 posted on 09/23/2012 1:06:01 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson ("I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy.")
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To: dragnet2
There were other alternatives.....the student and her mother agreed to the spanking in lieu of the other punishments (I believe it was in-school suspension). I didn't see anything where the girl's bare behind was exposed. I'm hoping she was clothed or that it would've been otherwise mentioned. Also absent from this story is the girl's father.......

My take on this whole thing is:

1 - we need to get rid of public schools in the form they are in now. Privatize as many as possible, let the states/counties/towns be responsible for the rest without ANY fedgov involvement. You pay for the school your child attends; or maybe institute a voucher program. This will give more power to the parents and make schools competitive.

2 -That said, this is the will of the voters. The majority of the states have banned spanking in school. This state and others have voted to allow it and have repeatedly struck down attempts to ban it. I'm happy that the voters at least have the choice and Nanny fedgov hasn't came in and said they know better than the parents/voters.

3 - I believe in spanking. I spank my own kids; they don't need spanked in school. If it were my child, they would've taken the suspension and gotten the spanking at home. However, if the parents agree to it they shouldn't turn around and say he hit him/her too hard just because their bottom is "fire-engine" red; black, blue, yellow - well then there may be a problem. I'm guessing the mother has never spanked her child before. Spanking isn't just a love tap on the rear-end, it is a warm reminder that you screwed up. Over the next day or so, she'll remember cheating is wrong each and every time she sits down. I'm guessing she won't assist others in cheating ever again.

34 posted on 09/23/2012 1:11:25 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (Official Romney/GOP-E Platform - We suck less)
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To: LibFreeUSA
Sorry, folks, I don't care what the infraction was, you don't allow any male to spank a teenage girl for ANY reason...

Sorry, but if the girls in these three examples had the crap beat out of them once or twice, maybe they wouldn't have done this:

TPD: Girl Pulls Gun in Fun Station Brawl, 7 Teens Arrested

Caught On Tape: Girl Pulls Gun On Bus

17-year-old accused of pistol-whipping mom, demanding car

36 posted on 09/23/2012 1:18:40 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Don't think for a minute that this excuse for a President has America's best interest in mind.)
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To: MrEdd
"But like you say, YOU will never understand."

You sure are quick to defend government union thugs. Do you likewise defend puppy-shooting cops?

BinaryBoy did not say he was against discipline of children. He said it is problematic when corporal punishment is done by low-life government workers who are drunk on their authority.

Or maybe you think government is the ONLY source of child discipline.

37 posted on 09/23/2012 1:19:28 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant
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To: Repeat Offender

If any union thug state employee had ever put his of her hands on one of my daughters, I’d still be serving time for my response. These are government employees and not among the best or most trust worthy.


38 posted on 09/23/2012 1:24:29 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Hopey changey Low emission unicorns and a crap sandwich)
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For information purposes......

Texas Education Code, CHAPTER 37. DISCIPLINE; LAW AND ORDER

Excerpt.........

Sec. 37.0011. USE OF CORPORAL PUNISHMENT. (a) In this section, "corporal punishment" means the deliberate infliction of physical pain by hitting, paddling, spanking, slapping, or any other physical force used as a means of discipline. The term does not include:

(1) physical pain caused by reasonable physical activities associated with athletic training, competition, or physical education; or

(2) the use of restraint as authorized under Section 37.0021.

(b) If the board of trustees of an independent school district adopts a policy under Section 37.001(a)(8) under which corporal punishment is permitted as a method of student discipline, a district educator may use corporal punishment to discipline a student unless the student's parent or guardian or other person having lawful control over the student has previously provided a written, signed statement prohibiting the use of corporal punishment as a method of student discipline.

(c) To prohibit the use of corporal punishment as a method of student discipline, each school year a student's parent or guardian or other person having lawful control over the student must provide a separate written, signed statement to the board of trustees of the school district in the manner established by the board.

(d) The student's parent or guardian or other person having lawful control over the student may revoke the statement provided to the board of trustees under Subsection (c) at any time during the school year by submitting a written, signed revocation to the board in the manner established by the board.

Added by Acts 2011, 82nd Leg., R.S., Ch. 691, Sec. 1, eff. September 1, 2011.

end excerpt


39 posted on 09/23/2012 1:26:37 PM PDT by deport
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To: Repeat Offender
There were other alternatives.....the student and her mother agreed to the spanking in lieu of the other punishments

What other alternatives were offered? She didn't want to miss any classes. I wonder what other choices he offers the young ladies at this high school?

What is wrong with extra home work, after school cafeteria clean up duty, or after school campus clean up assignments? Did the people of Texas never hear of detention rooms, etc?

An adult male public school employee spanking a young woman, old enough to serve in military in less than two years, is just plain 100% nuts.

This is not legitimate or somehow OK and there is no way to rationalize this.

40 posted on 09/23/2012 1:30:18 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Repeat Offender

This girl is too old to be spanked by ANYBODY.

Since she is an outstanding student, she probably was pressured to let someone else cheat off of her. A token punishment like cleaning the schoolroom would be enough for a first offense.


41 posted on 09/23/2012 1:55:49 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant
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To: Repeat Offender

Name: Kirt Shaw

Email Address: kshaw@springtownisd.net

Phone number: 817-688-9604

"Mr. Shaw is in charge of Student Discipline for all Freshmen and Sophomores."

42 posted on 09/23/2012 1:57:54 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant
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To: Repeat Offender

Texas has always allowed spankings. Back when I was in junior high, there was a big stink about doing away with it. It’s also known to everyone that one person, usually a male vice principal, is the lord of the paddle and there is always a witness. In the case of girls, it’s a woman witness. Yes, there’s that sexual context but then there are lesbian principals so if it’s not one it’s the other. Schools usually give the students the option of getting swats or doing time in detention. Sorry if some here don’t like it, that’s the way it is. Anyone who opposes it can run for school board and change the rules.

However, according to Texas CPS regulations, a parent isn’t allowed to use anything other than an open palm and then they darned well better not leave marks. Yes, double standard. So, if the girl still had marks by the time she got home, then her mama should have been heading straight to the CPS office to have it documented and an investigation brought against the vice principal, the witness, the principal, the school and the school board.


43 posted on 09/23/2012 2:04:05 PM PDT by bgill
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Due process? The girl and her mother were given a choice. They made the decision. In every school I've ever been to, if you didn't like/agree with the punishment or options by the vice principal, you appealed to the principal, then the superintendent, then the school board. If it was especially grievous, you could take them to court. Sounds like due process to me.

9/10 times, I will side against public schools, their union reps, and the democrat politicians that defend them and open the trough to them. Do I believe this girl is a bit old to be spanked? Yes. Do I believe the mother should've given the okay? No. Do I believe in public school? No, see my above posts as well as earlier posts I've made on other threads.

In this instance he seemed to have the legal authority to administer the punishment. He even had parental consent. If someone was asking for permission to spank my child, I'd be asking the basic interrogatives of Who, What, When, Where, and Why. This "mother" apparently didn't bother to ask any of those, but now she wants to bitch and moan about it. What she should really be complaining about is her own bad decision making ability.

I'm willing to bet that this school probably doesn't have a lot of the feral animal problems that other schools have.

44 posted on 09/23/2012 3:59:56 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (Official Romney/GOP-E Platform - We suck less)
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To: dragnet2
This post, I agree with you. But, as I noted earlier, strangely absent from this story is the girl's father.

I agree with spanking, but please don't think I am advocating this girl should've been spanked (she's a bit old to be spanked and it violated the gender policy).....except this isn't a chose your own adventure story. You can't flip ahead to page 34 and then say, well I don't like that, I'd like you to return to page 19 and unspank my daughter.

Mother and daughter made this decision. The rules and punishments (in theory; this is public school we are talking about) are there to deter bad behavior and demonstrate actions have consequences. You can't say, I'll choose this punishment and then turn around and say, I didn't like that punishment, you should've punished me another way. As I stated earlier, if the mother was contemplating agreeing to the spanking she should've asked who, what, when, where, and why.

Both mother and daughter learned actions and lack of action have consequences.

45 posted on 09/23/2012 4:09:12 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (Official Romney/GOP-E Platform - We suck less)
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To: Repeat Offender
Little Miss Taylor requested the paddling...

I want to party with her when she grows up.

46 posted on 09/23/2012 5:14:41 PM PDT by paddles ("The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." Tacitus)
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To: Repeat Offender

She should have been made to lick whipped cream off the vice-principal’s knees!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2935251/posts


47 posted on 09/23/2012 5:16:36 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Same here! And my dad would go to the school and thank them for disciplining me.
48 posted on 09/23/2012 5:38:56 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: Sarajevo

Well, if that had been my daughter, I would have beat the crap out of any male that would have done that. No questions asked!!!


49 posted on 09/24/2012 6:10:02 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: LibFreeUSA
Rather than spend two days in in-school suspension for allegedly letting another student copy her classwork, Taylor Santos, a well-regarded student and athlete at Springtown High School, near Fort Worth, Texas, chose to get paddled.
As her mother, Anna Jorgensen, told ABC News affiliate WFAA-TV in Dallas, Taylor didn't want to miss any classes because "her grades are very important to her."
So Santos went to the vice principal's office to request a paddling. She called her mom, who said that as long as her daughter was OK with it, so was she.

I don't see what everyone is b*tching about. She requested it in lieu of detention. I think Mom is bellyaching because she wasn't spanked.

[Oooh! Spank Me!}

50 posted on 09/24/2012 1:55:58 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Don't think for a minute that this excuse for a President has America's best interest in mind.)
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