Skip to comments.Mom angry that male vice principal spanked child
Posted on 09/23/2012 11:14:43 AM PDT by Repeat Offender
Rather than spend two days in in-school suspension for allegedly letting another student copy her classwork, Taylor Santos, a well-regarded student and athlete at Springtown High School, near Fort Worth, Texas, chose to get paddled.
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1. The former math teacher that is now a paid agitator; also note that he mentions some public skrewl officials get sadistic pleasure out of hitting kids
2. How it is okay to spank if it is a woman spanking a girl because even though the schools tell us we are all equal and girls are just as strong as men......well they admit men hit harder
3. Texas still allows spanking in school
If I got spanked at elementary school, I’d get it again when I got home, guaranteed. And that was California!
Ah, just remembering the good ol dayw with the boat paddle in the Principal’s office.
One smack is all it took.
At first you heard the noise. Then the pain starts to slowly set in.
Can almost feel it now.
Mr. Campbell had a frat paddle with holes in it. Got it once! Once was enough!
Our phys ed instructor used an old tennis shoe - talk about impressing an everlasting sting.
In this case, the girl is a good student and not a trouble maker. However, letting someone copy her work deserves that she understand this is a serious offense. If she did that in college, she risks being kicked out. She should be sent to the alternative school for those few days as the original punishment was. Never again would she make that mistake.
I recall a lab test in Biology in college. A student kept following me around, trying to copy my work. I finally went to the professor to report this so I wouldn't be suspected of helping this student cheat. I didn't want to risk being expelled from college.
Paddling done the right way is healthy and productive.
In this case, given the nature of the wounds, the male principal who did the paddling was obviously excessive. Probably a teamster type, who is mad with union power. He can legally abuse little girls, and he knows it.
Most government schools ARE child abuse.
The issue is not the spanking but that a male spanked a teen girl in violation of the school policy the assistant principal should have known.
You don’t want perverts getting their jollies seeing teen girl’s behinds.
It’s just not appropriate even for an innocent spanking, as I am sure he is not one of those perverts. But, it’s only appropriate to have the same gender doing the spanking.
Alternative school is so that good kids who did something wrong can get training in how to be bad from the professional punks.
You might want to actually read the article. There is NO policy that says discipline must be administered by by the same gender.
I can’t believe all the people here bragging about the methods that were used on them back in the day, like it was something to be proud of. I got swatted one time in junior high back in the ‘50s by a principal who was as sadistic as anyone I ever met. I hate that man to this day (yes, the old bastard is still alive).
Assault is assault. There is no gray area. If you can’t maintain discipline in your school without physically abusing your students, find a different line of work AWAY FROM CHILDREN! This man should be in jail.
I’ve never understood why so many conservatives want to let union thugs hit their kids.
Yeah, I find that kind of creepy too.
This is nuts!
Actually, as I read the article, it very strongly implies that there IS a “same sex” policy, and the School Superintendent wants to change it.
"...Neither Jorgensen, nor the vice principal nor Springtown ISD Superintendent Mike Kelley, was available for comment by ABC News. But according to WFAA, Kelley is going to ask the school board to abolish the same gender policy, since adhering to it can be difficult on some campuses..."
Why would he want to abolish it if it doesn't exist?
Is there no other alternative like extra home work, after school clean up etc?
If this was my daughter, I'd be chasing this SOB down.
I don’t know about this particular situation, but i’d say a good portion of the young female population could use some regular spankings.
Spanking in elementary school ... maybe. I’d rather see the parents called in and required to administer consequences, under threat of having to keep their little darling at home the rest of his childhood.
Spanking in high school, no way no how no body. If there’s cheating going on, hit the kids in the grades, ban them from sports ... something that really matters to them. Now this girls is national celebrity Victim, and the focus is completely off her dishonesty.
Anyone who chooses to physically hurt anyone else’s children deserves to be stood by a wall and shot. The school is not the judiciary. All infractions must be addressed in a professional manner, without any physical attacks by unauthorised personnel.
I guess it comes from not wearing rose colored glasses.
But like you say, YOU will never understand.
Actually, there is a policy that only the same-gender adult may conduct a spanking.
Here is a link to the Springtown ISD board policy on student discipline, and the relevant section of the policy:
“Corporal punishment shall be administered only by an employee who is the same sex as the student.”
The parent is right. The principal violated her daughter.
Even then, ya don't have adult male school employees spanking little elementary school girls.
It's no secret, the government public schools are teaming with perverted sadistic freaks. Not a week goes by without another perverted public school teacher found going after the kids.
A male adult, spanking a high school sophomore girl?
This is off the charts.
They're just idiots.
9th and 10th grade Assistant Principal
As a high school teacher, I agree. I am sorry, but many of these high school girls could easily pass for college age in many cases. And there are some real pervos out there. Better safe than sorry.
I agree - and I'm recalibrating my opinion to "no spanking except by parents." Yes, undisciplined children cause a lot of problems, but they have to be the responsibility of their parents. If the parents don't want responsibility, make it worth their while. "We're sorry, but your child may not attend this institution unless his behavior approximates our standards."
Another term for "sophomore high school girl" is "grown woman." This should never have happened, unless someone also spanks teachers who cheat (/s). Schools don't want to impose consequences that will affect the student's future college admissions, but those are the only ones that matter, in many situations. A few object lessons, pour encourager les autres, would make a big dent in a school's cheating problem.
To be honest, even as a Dad, there is no way I’d be spanking my daughter who would be old enough to serve in the military in less than two years. There are many other ways to deal with issues as they get older.
You might want to read the article again:
"The vice principal added that he had no idea about the same gender swatting, Jorgensen said.... Butt according to WFAA, Kelley is going to ask the school board to abolish the same gender policy, since adhering to it can be difficult on some campuses. Jorgensen told WFAA that she will be at the school board meeting to encourage them not to abolish the same-gender policy.
"I think Taylor is proof that we need to keep that policy," she said. "I don't believe a man intentionally meant to do that to her, but it still happens, because men are too big and strong to be hitting 96-pound girls."
America needs to get it's head out of its ass and WAKE UP.
And ride these DAMN public education employees out of town on a RAIL.
Same here. Mr. Milby’s paddle had holes in it about the diameter of golf balls. One time was all it took to convince me that I did not want a repeat visit.
My take on this whole thing is:
1 - we need to get rid of public schools in the form they are in now. Privatize as many as possible, let the states/counties/towns be responsible for the rest without ANY fedgov involvement. You pay for the school your child attends; or maybe institute a voucher program. This will give more power to the parents and make schools competitive.
2 -That said, this is the will of the voters. The majority of the states have banned spanking in school. This state and others have voted to allow it and have repeatedly struck down attempts to ban it. I'm happy that the voters at least have the choice and Nanny fedgov hasn't came in and said they know better than the parents/voters.
3 - I believe in spanking. I spank my own kids; they don't need spanked in school. If it were my child, they would've taken the suspension and gotten the spanking at home. However, if the parents agree to it they shouldn't turn around and say he hit him/her too hard just because their bottom is "fire-engine" red; black, blue, yellow - well then there may be a problem. I'm guessing the mother has never spanked her child before. Spanking isn't just a love tap on the rear-end, it is a warm reminder that you screwed up. Over the next day or so, she'll remember cheating is wrong each and every time she sits down. I'm guessing she won't assist others in cheating ever again.
Sorry, but if the girls in these three examples had the crap beat out of them once or twice, maybe they wouldn't have done this:
You sure are quick to defend government union thugs. Do you likewise defend puppy-shooting cops?
BinaryBoy did not say he was against discipline of children. He said it is problematic when corporal punishment is done by low-life government workers who are drunk on their authority.
Or maybe you think government is the ONLY source of child discipline.
If any union thug state employee had ever put his of her hands on one of my daughters, I’d still be serving time for my response. These are government employees and not among the best or most trust worthy.
Sec. 37.0011. USE OF CORPORAL PUNISHMENT. (a) In this section, "corporal punishment" means the deliberate infliction of physical pain by hitting, paddling, spanking, slapping, or any other physical force used as a means of discipline. The term does not include:
(1) physical pain caused by reasonable physical activities associated with athletic training, competition, or physical education; or
(2) the use of restraint as authorized under Section 37.0021.
(b) If the board of trustees of an independent school district adopts a policy under Section 37.001(a)(8) under which corporal punishment is permitted as a method of student discipline, a district educator may use corporal punishment to discipline a student unless the student's parent or guardian or other person having lawful control over the student has previously provided a written, signed statement prohibiting the use of corporal punishment as a method of student discipline.
(c) To prohibit the use of corporal punishment as a method of student discipline, each school year a student's parent or guardian or other person having lawful control over the student must provide a separate written, signed statement to the board of trustees of the school district in the manner established by the board.
(d) The student's parent or guardian or other person having lawful control over the student may revoke the statement provided to the board of trustees under Subsection (c) at any time during the school year by submitting a written, signed revocation to the board in the manner established by the board.
Added by Acts 2011, 82nd Leg., R.S., Ch. 691, Sec. 1, eff. September 1, 2011.
What other alternatives were offered? She didn't want to miss any classes. I wonder what other choices he offers the young ladies at this high school?
What is wrong with extra home work, after school cafeteria clean up duty, or after school campus clean up assignments? Did the people of Texas never hear of detention rooms, etc?
An adult male public school employee spanking a young woman, old enough to serve in military in less than two years, is just plain 100% nuts.
This is not legitimate or somehow OK and there is no way to rationalize this.
This girl is too old to be spanked by ANYBODY.
Since she is an outstanding student, she probably was pressured to let someone else cheat off of her. A token punishment like cleaning the schoolroom would be enough for a first offense.
Name: Kirt Shaw
Email Address: firstname.lastname@example.org
Phone number: 817-688-9604
"Mr. Shaw is in charge of Student Discipline for all Freshmen and Sophomores."
Texas has always allowed spankings. Back when I was in junior high, there was a big stink about doing away with it. It’s also known to everyone that one person, usually a male vice principal, is the lord of the paddle and there is always a witness. In the case of girls, it’s a woman witness. Yes, there’s that sexual context but then there are lesbian principals so if it’s not one it’s the other. Schools usually give the students the option of getting swats or doing time in detention. Sorry if some here don’t like it, that’s the way it is. Anyone who opposes it can run for school board and change the rules.
However, according to Texas CPS regulations, a parent isn’t allowed to use anything other than an open palm and then they darned well better not leave marks. Yes, double standard. So, if the girl still had marks by the time she got home, then her mama should have been heading straight to the CPS office to have it documented and an investigation brought against the vice principal, the witness, the principal, the school and the school board.
9/10 times, I will side against public schools, their union reps, and the democrat politicians that defend them and open the trough to them. Do I believe this girl is a bit old to be spanked? Yes. Do I believe the mother should've given the okay? No. Do I believe in public school? No, see my above posts as well as earlier posts I've made on other threads.
In this instance he seemed to have the legal authority to administer the punishment. He even had parental consent. If someone was asking for permission to spank my child, I'd be asking the basic interrogatives of Who, What, When, Where, and Why. This "mother" apparently didn't bother to ask any of those, but now she wants to bitch and moan about it. What she should really be complaining about is her own bad decision making ability.
I'm willing to bet that this school probably doesn't have a lot of the feral animal problems that other schools have.
I agree with spanking, but please don't think I am advocating this girl should've been spanked (she's a bit old to be spanked and it violated the gender policy).....except this isn't a chose your own adventure story. You can't flip ahead to page 34 and then say, well I don't like that, I'd like you to return to page 19 and unspank my daughter.
Mother and daughter made this decision. The rules and punishments (in theory; this is public school we are talking about) are there to deter bad behavior and demonstrate actions have consequences. You can't say, I'll choose this punishment and then turn around and say, I didn't like that punishment, you should've punished me another way. As I stated earlier, if the mother was contemplating agreeing to the spanking she should've asked who, what, when, where, and why.
Both mother and daughter learned actions and lack of action have consequences.
I want to party with her when she grows up.
She should have been made to lick whipped cream off the vice-principal’s knees!
Well, if that had been my daughter, I would have beat the crap out of any male that would have done that. No questions asked!!!
I don't see what everyone is b*tching about. She requested it in lieu of detention. I think Mom is bellyaching because she wasn't spanked.
[Oooh! Spank Me!}