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Americans Are Literally Being Worked To Death
TEC ^ | 09/27/2012 | Michael Snyder

Posted on 09/28/2012 5:25:31 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Are you constantly tired and do you feel incredibly stressed almost all the time? Well, that means that there is a really good chance that you are a typical American worker. Even though our incomes are going down, Americans are spending more time at work than ever before. In fact, U.S. workers spend more time at work than anyone else in the world. But it was not always this way. Back in 1970, the average work week for an American worker was about 35 hours. Today, it is up to 46 hours. But there are other major economies around the globe that are doing just fine without burning their workers out. For example, the average American worker spends 378 more hours working per year than the average German worker does. Sadly, for many Americans work is not even finished once they leave the office. According to one recent survey, the average American worker spends an extra seven hours per week on work tasks such as checking emails and answering phone calls after normal work hours have finished. Other Americans are juggling two or three jobs in a desperate attempt to make ends meet. Americans are busier than ever and work is often pushing the other areas of our lives on to the back burner. What this also means is that "family vacations" are becoming increasingly rare in the United States. In fact, Americans spend less days on vacation than anyone else in the industrialized world. While some would applaud our "work ethic", the truth is that the fact that we are being overworked is having some very serious consequences. In fact, as you will see below, Americans are literally being worked to death.

The following is an excerpt from a comment that one reader posted on one of my recent articles. Can you identify with what this family is going through?....

I always try and remember to be thankful and say prayers of gratitude for the blessings I have, however I can tell you that my wife and I are getting more and more exhausted.

Straight forward payroll taxes nailed us for $35k last year and the dozens of other taxes are often over-looked but also hitting us harder and harder.

My wife works 14 hour shifts at her dialysis clinic 3 days a week and every other weekend. On the Tuesdays and thursdays she has off she ends up resting half the day to give her poor feet a break since a nurse on her feet 14 straight hours of continual busyness is exhausting.

On top of that, her company has had a pay freeze for 3 years, has dropped Holidays down to just 2 per year ( Thanksgiving and Christmas of which she must work 1 of them), has canceled the reimbursement of her CEU’s ( medical professionals are required to continue to take schooling and classes for their entire career in order to renew their licenses) –also they no longer match 401k’s and her company health plan just bumped up $30 per week!!

I put in so many hours at times that when I get home I am too tired to eat. I come home, change clothes/shower and go straight to bed–this is not living. I try and keep up with my volunteer work and rounds at our local nursing home but something is going to have to give. My caseloads are growing and growing and people are making appts 2-3 weeks in advance. I never had a schedule so filled in advance before. I usually have more long-term pt’s with needs of stroke, Parkinson’s, traumatic brain injuries..but now ortho pt’s are scheduling surgeries as to when I’ll have slots for hip replacement and knee replacement rehab time.

I’m ground down and in the mean time everything is getting more expensive, they keep taking more of my money I earn and we are having all of our benefits cut or completely stopped.

All over this country, millions of hard working men and women are slowly being worn down by jobs that are sucking the life out of them. Working way too many hours for an extended period of time can have dramatic consequences for your health, your family and just about every other area of your life.

But for some Americans, there is simply no other choice. There are millions upon millions of Americans that live on the edge of financial disaster these days. According to one recent survey, 77 percent of all Americans live paycheck to paycheck at least some of the time, and the middle class in the United States has been shrinking at a very steady pace in recent years.

Many Americans are not working 60 or 70 hours per week because they want to.

Many are doing it because that is what they must do just to survive.

For example, a recent article posted on Economy In Crisis profiled a mother of four up in Michigan named Lisa Bosworth who can't make ends meet for her family despite working three jobs....

Bosworth remarried but her current husband, Ray, was forced onto medical disability when a prescription medication caused health problems. The couple, who had a fourth child together, struggle to support their family on Lisa’s meager income.

Bosworth’s gross monthly income from working as a classroom aide in Reeths-Puffer schools and doing two Chronicle newspaper routes is $1,900. That amounts to $22,800 annually, nearly $5,000 below the poverty level for a family of six.

When they run out of money near the end of each month, Lisa and Ray Bosworth line up at one of several food trucks that visit Muskegon each month.

Earlier this month, the couple and three of their children waited in line at a food truck at Calvin Christian Reformed Church in Norton Shores. Lisa Bosworth had just finished her two newspaper routes and was clearly fatigued after another 70-hour work week. “I’m tired,” she said.

Today, there are more than 100 million Americans on welfare, and a significant percentage of those people actually do have jobs. In fact, some are working two or three jobs.

Working class Americans are working harder than ever, but at the same time many of them are making less money than they once did.

This is putting an incredible amount of stress on working class families.

In fact, it appears that a lot of Americans are literally working themselves to death.

And as a recent CBS News article described, this is particularly true for poor Americans that do not have much education....

Overall life expectancy has dropped for white Americans who have less than a high school diploma to rates similar to those of the 1950s and 1960s, new research finds.

The study found non-Hispanic white men without a diploma lived on average until 67.5 in 2008, three years less than they did in 1990. The drop in lifespan was even bigger for non-Hispanic white women with low education: They live five years shorter than 1990 rates, from 78 years old to just 73.5.

This is a sign that our society is going backwards. Working class Americans are actually living significantly shorter lives than they used to.

Of course the garbage that passes for "food" these days certainly is not helping matters any, but that is a topic for another article.

Sadly, those that are working themselves to death consider themselves to be the "lucky ones" in our society today.

There are countless millions of other Americans that are sitting at home right now without a job.

The mainstream media is trying to convince us that the unemployment rate has been falling, but that is a lie. If the labor force participation rate was the same today as it was back when Barack Obama first took office, the unemployment rate in the United States would be 11.2 percent right now.

But that doesn't sound nearly as good as 8.1 percent sounds, right?

And the percentage of working age Americans with a job is actually lower today than when the last recession supposedly ended.

In this economic environment, most people are scared to death of losing the jobs that they currently have because they don't know if they will be able to get another one.

During the month of August, the unemployment rate actually increased in 26 different U.S. states, and yet we are supposedly in the midst of "an economic recovery".

But the truth is that we are not better off than we were back during the last recession. In fact, there are a whole host of statistics that indicate that things are getting worse.

Unfortunately, much of the time people tend to forget that the horrible economic numbers that we are seeing have very substantial real life consequences.

People that cannot find work and people that work very long hours for a very long period of time tend to be much more depressed than the population as a whole.

And depression can often lead to suicide. According to a recent Daily Mail article, more Americans now die from suicide than from car accidents....

Suicide is the cause of more deaths than car crashes, according to an alarming new study.

The number of people who commit suicide in the U.S. has drastically increased while deaths from car accidents have dropped, making suicide the leading cause of injury death.

Suicides via falls or poisoning have risen significantly and experts fear that there could be many more unaccounted for, particularly in cases of overdose.

That is incredibly tragic, because there is never a reason for anyone to commit suicide. One of the things that I have learned in my own life is that there is always a way for things to be turned around.

Yes, life can be very hard when you don't have much money, but our lives should not be about chasing material things anyway. Our lives should be about so much more than that.

If you are currently feeling overly tired and overly stressed because you have been working too much, I encourage you to take a vacation.

We are only given one life to live. We shouldn't spend it working ourselves to death.



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1 posted on 09/28/2012 5:25:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Give me a break. Worked to death?


2 posted on 09/28/2012 5:28:21 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: SeekAndFind
They even got suiside in there. They missed worrying about UFO abductions.

Unwinding 1 hour before bed time gets me plenty of rest. No alarm needed.

3 posted on 09/28/2012 5:33:08 AM PDT by MaxMax
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To: SeekAndFind

That didn’t take long. Second post to scoff at people struggling in Obamanation.


4 posted on 09/28/2012 5:33:47 AM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: SeekAndFind

While its academic students have been on holiday for 40 years.


5 posted on 09/28/2012 5:34:24 AM PDT by Scooter100 ("Now that the fog has lifted, I still can't find my pipe". --- S. Holmes)
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To: SeekAndFind

With our own business, we certainly work a lot of hours — but there’s a difference between the hours we work and the hours lots of folks in the ‘regular’ world ‘work’.

In the regular world, it seems like ‘work’ includes regularly checking Facebook and Twitter...multiple personal calls in an hour...BS-ing with the cubicle-dweller across the way...extended lunches. In other words, precious little ‘work’ is actually done in all of those hours. When you are working for yourself, however, how much work you do determines how well you live, and if your business (and therefore you) will survive.

My father says that we reward the wrong things in this country. This is just another way that we reward poor work: by giving people something more to claim victim status on, when if the average worker was pinned on how much time they actually spend productively working, it’s not anywhere near even a standard 8 hour day.

We have become a nation of whiners and victims — and they’re all going to be voting for the guy who’ll give them free stuff and make them feel warm and fuzzy.


6 posted on 09/28/2012 5:34:49 AM PDT by HGSW0904
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To: SeekAndFind

‘Chasing Material Things?’ God in heaven, GIVE ME STRENGTH. A ‘roof over your head’ ‘food on the table’ and basic gas/electric/waterbills aren’t exactly ‘chasing material things.’

If people were working themselves to the bone to pay for a 50” plasma screen, 900 bucks sneakers a la Moochie O, or I pads for the 5 year old, then yes, that’s stupid.

People are just trying to keep their heads above water and a roof over their head right now.


7 posted on 09/28/2012 5:36:44 AM PDT by gemoftheocean (...geez, this all seems so straight forward and logical to me...)
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To: SeekAndFind

These threads are always interesting because on the one hand, Obama’s economy sucks and people are working in low paying jobs that hardly give them enough money to live. On the other hand, if the economy was in a true recovery or boom, we would realize that American workers never had it so good from a historical perspective. In a good economy, an article like this would be laughable — perhaps people work 46 hours but it ain’t exactly back-breaking work. Most Americans have nice work environments and plenty of break time. And they goof off in work too. In a recession, that changes. And in an Obama recession that goes on forever, its especially painful.


8 posted on 09/28/2012 5:38:22 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: SeekAndFind

All BS!

Everyone knows that you cannot work a man to death!!!

They always pass out first!


9 posted on 09/28/2012 5:40:15 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: Daveinyork

Based solely upon my personal experience right now, this article is spot on...

I am currently doing the work by myself that 4 people did prior to this downturn... for about 20% less money...

stress alone is going to kill me..


10 posted on 09/28/2012 5:40:49 AM PDT by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: SeekAndFind
Keep working. Millions on welfare depend on you...

We work hard. We have to or we'd sink completely. Between taxes and regulations, we are operating on a fraction of our potential.

Imagine a dollar worth an actual dollar, total(city, State, Federal, sales) annual taxation under 10% of your gross income, and no Alphabet Agencies coming at your business from multiple directions with the uniform goal of making it harder for you to stay in business...

Rich? Bet your ass we would be... Instead, yes... We are struggling.

11 posted on 09/28/2012 5:41:17 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I get sick and tired of this living “paycheck to paycheck” complaint. At least they have a job and most people live that way, it is a good thing, not a bad thing. What we are supposed to have a mil or two socked away so we don’t need a job living paycheck to paycheck?


12 posted on 09/28/2012 5:41:45 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

There is a middle ground between 2 million in your account and waiting until Friday so you can buy groceries.


13 posted on 09/28/2012 5:45:18 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: HGSW0904

You’re right-

I own my own business and am online most of the day and it amazes me the amount of people using chat etc. popping in to say hello to me.
I always ask if they’re at work and 9 out of 10 times it’s a YES.
While I barely have time to discuss the weather with them, they will go on and on—
Did I check my email and see the funny pic they sent me? Why didn’t I answer their Facebook post they sent an hour ago to me?

It astounds me-when I worked for someone, I would have never done personal stuff unless I absolutely had to. Even owning my own business gives me little time for that while working.

Well, the article DID quote CBS news, so it must be true...and if people are being worked “to death”, maybe it’s Mother Nature’s way of getting rid of the dead wood.

Suzy


14 posted on 09/28/2012 5:46:54 AM PDT by homegroan (Veni, Vedi, Velcro and Ranting...since 1998)
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To: SeekAndFind

I know two nurses who work in dialysis clinics. The job is Monday through Friday from 8 to 5 and no weekends or holidays. Ever.


15 posted on 09/28/2012 5:47:56 AM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: Daveinyork

Welcome to the serfdom of globalization. Middle class Americans have always worked more hours than Europeans but they also had better health care benefits and a higher standard of living. Globalization and open borders is a race to the bottom - the lowest common denominator.


16 posted on 09/28/2012 5:49:30 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SeekAndFind
"Straight forward payroll taxes nailed us for $35k last year and the dozens of other taxes are often over-looked but also hitting us harder and harder."

This is the problem.

We are not being worked to death. We are being TAXED TO DEATH. We are TAXED TO DEATH, to pay for people who work for government and to whom this article does not apply. Yes, we are being TAXED TO DEATH so people who work for government can have the good life of high salary, fantastic fantasy level benefits, early retirement and MANY holidays and vacations.

If you are a middle class worker in the private sector your effective tax rate is at or greater than 50% !!!

This means if you work for 40 years of your adult life you spend 20 years of that time working for Government!!

That my friends is NOT FREEDOM, THAT IS SLAVERY. It's time we wake up. We must not reform government, we must replace it with the strictly limited system set out by our constitution. This means that MILLIONS of people who work for government at all levels including city, county, state and federal MUST BE FIRED. Their positions and benefits must be ELIMINATED PERMANENTLY, never to return. When you work in the private sector (real world) and your company goes bankrupt it's the employees who lose their jobs and suffer. Government is BANKRUPT and it's the government workers who are going to have to suffer the loss. We can no longer tolerate a system where freedom only applies to the "public" sector.

17 posted on 09/28/2012 5:52:23 AM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: precisionshootist

The perfect post. You. Nailed. It.


18 posted on 09/28/2012 5:57:26 AM PDT by Valpal1
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To: precisionshootist
When Obama said that government is the one thing we all belong to, he got it completely backwards.

Am I a slave? Am I the property of the government? Do I belong to the government? NO!

Government derives its power from We The People. Government belongs to us.

But they've created a servile state and now we all work for their benefit more than we work for ourselves.

19 posted on 09/28/2012 5:59:42 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (ua)
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To: precisionshootist

Let’s not forget folks, there are a few factors:

1) More and more retirees living longer and less and less working people to support them ( we operated on a pay as yo go system for social security, there is NO LOCK BOX IN THE SOCIAL SECURITY TRUST FUND ).

2) Same applies for Medicare as above. With Obamacare ADDING younger folks to the rolls ( many unemployed ) and you have MORE working people carrying the load for the rest.

3) 47% of Americans pay no taxes... which means 53% of those who DO pay taxes have to work extra hard to support government spending.

4) Less people are working because companies are not hiring. The result is those who DO have work will have to take on more responsibilities and MORE WORK.


20 posted on 09/28/2012 6:00:55 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (bOTRT)
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To: precisionshootist

It is a pity that 100% only goes to 100%. I could not agree more than I do.


21 posted on 09/28/2012 6:01:05 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: SeekAndFind
Need proof that this article is correct? I present Exhibit A...

Disco drummer Brad Parker suffers fatal heart attack on stage during concert in Brazil

Parker, the drummer for the band Generation Esmeralda, apparently suffered a sudden heart attack and collapsed on stage.

September 26, 2012

Brad Parker, the drummer of an American disco group suffered a heart attack and died mid-show during a performance in Brazil over the weekend.

Brad Parker was performing with his band Generation Esmeralda in Uba, some four hours north of Rio, on Saturday night when he suddenly slumped over his kit and then tumbled off his stool.

Video cameras caught the horrifying moment, as the 59-year-old's bandmates initially kept playing, apparently unaware that Parker was in trouble.

22 posted on 09/28/2012 6:03:36 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: SeekAndFind

Maybe we should do what France does and make it illegal to work more than 35 hours a week!


23 posted on 09/28/2012 6:04:29 AM PDT by Crazieman (Are you naive enough to think VOTING will fix this entrenched system?)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s terrible how George Bush caused all this. /s


24 posted on 09/28/2012 6:08:08 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: SeekAndFind

We work a lot and take home little. At least 40% of what we earn goes to lazy slackers who vote democrat.
Feel lucky to have a job? Look at deductions and your take home.


25 posted on 09/28/2012 6:11:39 AM PDT by I want the USA back (I know what I'm saying.)
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To: glorgau

Those of you who work...work hard and long! Pay your taxes. Many, many “free-phone” parasites are depending on you. Thanks.


26 posted on 09/28/2012 6:12:30 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: SeekAndFind

The people I know who do this don’t know how to budget to live within their means. They are literally slaves to their vehicle loans, TV and smart phone services, etc. etc. etc.


27 posted on 09/28/2012 6:16:13 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: Daveinyork

The full-court press is on to get the electorate to embrace European-style mandatory vacations and paid time off.


28 posted on 09/28/2012 6:17:14 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: yldstrk
I get sick and tired of this living “paycheck to paycheck” complaint.

The people who founded this country had to live crop to crop.


29 posted on 09/28/2012 6:18:33 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind

“Are you constantly tired and do you feel incredibly stressed almost all the time? “

Sounds like a definition of “Adult Life”.


30 posted on 09/28/2012 6:24:47 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: HGSW0904
My father says that we reward the wrong things in this country.

We could go to a piece work model. If you make ten widgets, you get paid for ten widgets, whether it took you an hour or a week. The problem with this model is that those who are clever will figure out a way to make 100 widgets in an hour (which on it's own is a good thing) but there may not be a demand for 100 widgets an hour. And even if you task the clever man to improving production of everything else in the plant, and you're able to lay off all the average and below average people, you still come up against lack of demand for all that improved production and clever man is twiddling his thumbs, or going off to work for the competition for more money.

In the meantime, nobody is buying Company As products anymore because their biggest customers were employed by Company B and they were laid off by the thousands. And they were laid off by the thousands because the former customers who used to buy Company B's goods were laid off by Company A.

There really is no fix for what is happening in this generation. Automation and AI, while creating some jobs for clever men, is rendering the vast multitude of humanity as useless, except as customers. But useless people don't have the money to make themselves useful even as consumers.

A lot of eaters need to die. People think Agenda 21 is a lefty commie program, but it's actually a lever in the bankster's NWO.

31 posted on 09/28/2012 6:25:05 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (Nuke Mecca.)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

My personal observations:
* With high unemployment, managers can demand holidays, overtime and additional load from the productive who worry they cannot find anything else. Fear of a poor economy causes more people to put up with unsustainable loads.
* With the Obamacare costs and other overhead costs high per employee, employers will maximize output on a few instead of higher more heads, because they cannot afford to hire more people. Businesses overload current people out of fear to add to head count.


32 posted on 09/28/2012 6:26:57 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: HGSW0904

There is also a reward on the number of hours present, instead of the work produced. Someone who is in the office 50 hours is regarded more highly than someone who is there 40, even if the 40 hours per week results in more work done or higher quality.


33 posted on 09/28/2012 6:29:30 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: Daveinyork

We’re competing against Chinese slave labor in my company. They are killing us on price. We’re letting people go, and those of us remaining are working probably an extra 4 hours per day plus weekend days. That’s what’s called ‘productivity improvement’.

We’re told explicitly that our jobs are eventually moving to China. We’re told that any position vacated by retirement or layoff or firing will be filled in the company but in China. I foresee our group lasting maybe another 5 years.

Yes, people are having health problems because of it.


34 posted on 09/28/2012 6:35:58 AM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: SeekAndFind

That hits the point.

In my job, we lost several people and the powers to be have decided not to hire new people to replace the now gone folks. Now it is mandatory to work at least one Saturday per month and vacation, a lot of red tape to take that time off is required. I already put in my vacation time request for next year !

We have a director in Belgium and he doesn’t care for us American folks too much. And being a global company, work is divided where if we have to deal with an overseas customer, we are expected to work off shift to work with the customer. However, US customers don’t have to work with overseas folks, the overseas folks transfer that work to us as well. Kind of a one way street. I had one customer get p*ssed off and escalated. They didn’t transfer the work to India but I was told that I was expected to work off hours to take care of him.

Our director also put in complex rules on taking vacation that doesn’t apply to his folks in India, Egypt and Europe. Someone brought up the idea that we should work smart not hard and the response was that we Americans are lazy and he even remarked that Obama said that we are lazy and need to work much, much harder.

> 4) Less people are working because companies are not hiring. The result is those who DO have work will have to take on more responsibilities and MORE WORK.


35 posted on 09/28/2012 6:39:48 AM PDT by CORedneck
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To: Daveinyork

My mom always used to say that it is better to wear out than rust out. We lived on a farm and both of my parents had full time jobs in town. Day began at 5 a.m. with milking the cows, feeding the pigs and chickens and gathering the eggs. Then off to school and work. Afternoons and evenings were spent on a tractor or in the garden with bedtime around 10 p.m.

My life now including a 12 hour days now sitting at a desk behind a computer is a piece of cake.


36 posted on 09/28/2012 6:44:02 AM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: SaraJohnson
Welcome to the serfdom of globalization. Middle class Americans have always worked more hours than Europeans but they also had better health care benefits and a higher standard of living. Globalization and open borders is a race to the bottom - the lowest common denominator.

Right on Sara..can't tell you how many people I know whose divisions they work for are having record sales or growth and yet they have less people and are doing the jobs of 2 people.

I'm getting sick and tired of these co's saying they are not hiring due to obama. They are not hiring because they know they can get away with treating people like this in a slow economy and the employees are too afraid to speak up or complain..

37 posted on 09/28/2012 6:46:33 AM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: HGSW0904

‘In the regular world, it seems like ‘work’ includes regularly checking Facebook and Twitter...multiple personal calls in an hour...BS-ing with the cubicle-dweller across the way...extended lunches. In other words, precious little ‘work’ is actually done in all of those hours. When you are working for yourself, however, how much work you do determines how well you live, and if your business (and therefore you) will survive.’

I’ve had my own business for 4 years, my mother and father had their own businesses for 35 years or more and I worked in them, and I’ve worked for another company for 17 years. The same socializing occured in all settings. You’re doing too much chest thumping and feeling sorry for yourself.


38 posted on 09/28/2012 6:49:02 AM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: SeekAndFind

Oh, stop. 46 hours at your typical office job is a snooze.

Go back a generation before 1970—let alone, two, three, four five or six—and Americans were really working, whether the land or otherwise.


39 posted on 09/28/2012 6:52:47 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: precisionshootist
We are not being worked to death. We are being TAXED TO DEATH. We are TAXED TO DEATH, to pay for people who work for government and to whom this article does not apply

Devils advocate here..federal tax rate is the lowest it has been in 50 years..what is REALLY hurting people that they can never catch up it's not so much that we are being taxed to death but wages have not increased (or even decreased in many cases) while cost of goods/services have risen by a large amount over the same period. Other problems..jobs increasingly becoming P/T or no benefits on an on.

Don't get me wrong..taxes are a problem but the bigger problem is wages have been stagnant for 15-20 years as globalization is the new norm and yet the cost of living has increased. The US is being taken down a peg or two via standard of living while other countries have been brought up.

40 posted on 09/28/2012 6:59:05 AM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: precisionshootist

These people are making good money if their ‘straightforward payroll taxes’ were $35K last year. If they’re talking about the total amount of taxes they had withheld as well, I imagine their final tax bill was less or he would have quoted that.


41 posted on 09/28/2012 7:03:15 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Wiser now

I know two nurses who work in dialysis clinics. The job is Monday through Friday from 8 to 5 and no weekends or holidays. Ever.


My step brother would like a dialysis clinic like that...he can never get a MWF schedule....always a weekend day in the mix (this is in FL)


42 posted on 09/28/2012 7:03:43 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Political maturity is realizing that the "R" next to someone's name does not mean "conservative")
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To: SeekAndFind

If the tax slaves work themselves to death in short, empty, meaningless lives, don’t worry. There are plenty more tax slaves where they came from.


43 posted on 09/28/2012 7:19:33 AM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Tell that to Jews in Germany in the 1930s.


44 posted on 09/28/2012 7:25:48 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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To: SaraJohnson
Welcome to the serfdom of globalization. Middle class Americans have always worked more hours than Europeans but they also had better health care benefits and a higher standard of living. Globalization and open borders is a race to the bottom - the lowest common denominator.

Ah someone who sees past the pre-programmed responses and gets it! Thanks for your comment.
45 posted on 09/28/2012 7:35:38 AM PDT by khelus
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To: SeekAndFind

If you are getting paid overtime what is the gripe? You can live good on overtime! In my 44 years of work history I NEVER turned down overtime except two days when I could not make it in.

I even planned my vacations around other people’s vacations so I could work their vacation schedule and get OVERTIME!

Holidays? I planned my work schedule so I could work their days off as I was not afraid of OVERTIME!

After all those years it paid off, even with the loss of much of my 401-K I was still able to retire in good shape.

But will my savings survive another OBAMA term?


46 posted on 09/28/2012 7:39:34 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Daveinyork

Fine then. I’m sure you would have time to look at this. Corporate profits rise and wages as a % of GDP go down. People are working the same or longer hours for a smaller and smaller portion of the rewards.

Efficiency? maybe. Mostly it looks like real wages are going down though since the median income has dropped by at least $3,000 a year and costs have gone up dramatically. Average fuel costs have gone up about $9,000 in the last three years in obamanation. That is a big number to a lot of people.

http://www.businessinsider.com/corporate-profits-just-hit-an-all-time-high-wages-just-hit-an-all-time-low-2012-6

In obamanation employers aren’t filling jobs, they are offering more hours to current employees to reduce exposure to uncertain costs and obligations mandated by the feds. I don’t blame them but it will eventually take a toll. Many people around here are spending 12 hours door to door. The drive gets worse every year and the roads get no better. There is no public transportation.

I really don’t understand where you are coming from. Sure there are sob stories and sure there are lots of people who don’t work all that hard but I see a lot of this across the board here in the city and the burbs.


47 posted on 09/28/2012 7:40:44 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: SeekAndFind

**we operated on a pay as yo go system for social security,**

What! Do you remember the government promise from 1964?

http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssa/usa1964-2.html

Self-Supporting

“The program is designed so that contributions plus interest on the investments of the social security trust funds will be sufficient to meet all of the costs of benefits and administration, now and into the indefinite future—without any subsidy from the general funds of the Government. Both the Congress and the Executive Branch, regardless of political party in power, have scrupulously provided in advance for full financing of all liberalizations in the program.”

And HERE is where the money went! Read and weep!

http://www.socialsecurity.gov/OACT/ProgData/fundFAQ.html#n4

Ever notice how hard it is to find these two web pages on the SSA web site?


48 posted on 09/28/2012 7:47:08 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Grams A

Count on my wife to bring things into perspective. I had rented a movie made in Mongolia about the rise of Ghengis Khan. I remarked that it was a hard land that bred hard people. My wife commented that people who whine in this day and age should keep that in mind, that they have no concept of hard times.

My parents grew up in the Great Depression. My dad quit school at 15 to go to work in a knitting mill, working twelve hours a day for 7.50 a week, and then delivering soft drinks for his father’s bottling business, until it went bankrupt. After he got finished paying his parents to help with their expenses, he had about 50 cents a week to spend on himself.

In the 1950’s, he and my mom were raising my brother and I and didn’t have enough money for the doctor bills, so my dad started a coin business, which he operated part-time while he still worked 7 to 5 every day in the knitting mill, and our family began to prosper enough that by 1959, he could afford by buy a second car.

Now, when was this middle class time of paradise for which we wax nostaligic?

I remember Perotistas calling Rush during the 1992 campaign telling that things were so bad that they could not get worse. They can, and they might, especially if Obama gets re-elected and even more so if the Dems regain Congress, but we boomers and echo-boomers have no concept of hard times.


49 posted on 09/28/2012 8:03:52 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: AlmaKing

Working in someone else’s business is vastly different than running it, by yourself, as sole employees. And it seems you’re projecting; I hardly feel sorry myself, nor am I a victim. I’m captain of my fiscal fate (with the exception of the invisible hand of economy and the ridiculous decisions of the current president). I’d rather drive my own bus than ride someone else’s.


50 posted on 09/28/2012 8:52:59 AM PDT by HGSW0904
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