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Are the debates going to matter?
Hotair ^ | 09/30/2012 | Jazz Shaw

Posted on 09/30/2012 5:12:25 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

A continuing theme I've been hearing on the political gabfests on cable news this week is that not only are the current polling numbers sketchy at best, they don’t really matter all that much because... wait until the debates! That seems to be the expected pivot point in the home stretch of the race, and analysts from both sides are playing the expectations game and declaring how vital it will be for Romney to "make his mark" or for Obama to "avoid a game changing slip-up." But assuming that one of them doesn't come out at the podium and announce that they are either a serial killer or that they've discovered a cure for cancer, (with proof) will the debates really move the needle for either of them?

Miranda Green thinks not.

A 2008 Gallup study found that between 1960 and 2004, there were only two years where debates made a difference in actual votes. Instead, the most common outcome of the presidential debates is a slight popularity bump. But that bump doesn’t necessarily translate into votes.

“They sometimes have a short-term effect, a bounce in response to the debates, but at the end of the day there often is not much of an effect,” says Robert Erikson, author of The Timeline of Presidential Elections.

Data from the Gallup study also saw no direct correlation between the winner of each debate and the winner of the presidency. The 2004 Kerry vs. Bush debate was cited as an example. Kerry was considered the victor of all three showdowns, but still lost the election.

Not to read too much into Ms. Green’s personal preferences here, but it seems to me that those who feel their preferred candidate is ahead (rightly or wrongly) might be more inclined to think the debates won’t matter. But even with that said, it seems to me as if there is still a strong possibility that these shows may not produce much in the way of heat. If the candidates have been coached to play it too safe to avoid any potential damage, we may be treated to nothing more than stilted reruns of portions of their stump speeches in response to questions.

But if either of them – perhaps more likely for Romney – feel like they need a breakout moment, they might take a more aggressive tack. There are already rumors flying about Mitt preparing some “zingers” for the President, leading to much amusement on Twitter over the weekend. That can go two ways, of course. If the delivery is off or it’s perceived as more mean than funny, off the mark, etc. then it could turn into a campaign advertisement which won’t help matters at all. But if he delivers something that comes off along the lines of, “I knew Jack Kennedy, and you, Senator, are no Jack Kennedy” then I still think the debates could light a fire at just the right time.

Will anyone be watching? This chart shows how TV audiences generally declined by media share for a quarter of a century after hitting a high water mark for Reagan vs Carter. But that trend turned around in 2008 with significant increases in viewership for Obama vs McCain, and the Republican primary debates scored well above expected levels. I continue to maintain my belief that summer numbers reflect mostly the “preaching to the choir” crowds, and there will always be a significant number of people who don’t watch news channels 24/7 and are yet open to seeing something unexpected which changes or makes up their mind in the final weeks.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012debates; debates; elections
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To: SeekAndFind

Exactly. Which pretty much proves my point.


41 posted on 09/30/2012 10:07:40 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Tennessee Nana

The media tells us that Mitt feels entitled and better than the rest of us. And you go right along and drink the kool-aid and fall for their BS hook, line, and sinker.

When exactly has Mitt ever said he was “better than us’ or said he was “entitled”? Please direct me to the date and occasion.

Fixed smile? I guess you prefer the charisma of John McCain or Bob Dole.

Fear of normal people? I guess you missed him at the airport the other day greeting, shaking hands, and thanking a group of war veterans as they disembarked their airplane.

I don’t mind criticism, but you should be truthful when doing so.


42 posted on 10/01/2012 1:40:11 AM PDT by dupree
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To: dupree; devolve; ntnychik; potlatch; onyx; Fred Nerks; little jeremiah; MeekOneGOP

MEDIA'S SHRIEKING FAIRIES & CARPING HARPIES CAN'T PUT MESSIAH TOGETHER AGAIN

43 posted on 10/01/2012 2:21:08 AM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Fakistan)
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To: Smittie

I too hate to see our freedoms being violated and want to fight to keep them. But one way or the other, I think God wants to teach us that we ARE free, seated with Him in Heavenly places far above all principality and power. Paul the Apostle had more freedom is his life, more intimacy with the Father, and more influence throughout the ages in a Roman prison than most people who are naturally free in America.


44 posted on 10/01/2012 4:11:06 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: dupree

That’s the genius. The very idea taps into the natural envy and resentment that so many feel towards the rich, that they don’t have to prove it.


45 posted on 10/01/2012 12:50:28 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: PhilDragoo

A number of people have told me (and I didn’t even ask!) that they aren’t watching the debates because they cannot stomach hearing 0bastard’s voice, and that they will vote not exactly “for” Romney, but AGAINST 0bastard.

It certainly does seem as though some of the MSM may be slightly turning against 0. Perhaps some of them see the writing on the wall, and they are realizing that perhaps many of us will hold them accountable for their lies.


46 posted on 10/01/2012 7:15:38 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: PapaNew

Agree with you and Amen.


47 posted on 10/01/2012 7:25:11 PM PDT by jusduat (on the mercy of the Lord alone.)
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To: dupree

One tactic the Romney camp should consider is buying one hour of airtime on the 3 national networks plus Fox News, plus CNN. Hold an unstructured question and answer round table with 12 average, articulate middle class conservative voters. Let them tell their stories about how the Obama depression has harmed their businesses and families. Let them have a dialogue with Romney about what needs to be done to bring the country back to greatness. Show Romney actually listening and engaging with real middle class Americans, not some news media defined selected politically correct cross section. People watching will know the participants are real people like them and when they see an unscripted Romney in conversation with real people the perceptions of him as aloof and uncaring will melt away.


48 posted on 10/01/2012 9:11:16 PM PDT by Soul of the South
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