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Obamacare and Romneycare Are Not Identical
Townhall ^ | 10/04/2012 | Debra Saunders

Posted on 10/04/2012 7:42:48 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 10/04/2012 7:42:50 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Good article! Thanks for posting it.

Last night’s debate, did Obama take social security off the table as an election issue?

It kind of sounded like it to me.


2 posted on 10/04/2012 7:44:46 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: SeekAndFind

Please do not try and defend RomneyCare


3 posted on 10/04/2012 7:49:05 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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Maybe you did not understand but Romney made it clear that it is up to the states not for the federal government to deal with healthcare.


4 posted on 10/04/2012 7:51:03 AM PDT by Democrat_media (China is destroying all our jobs and manufacturing ability. China makes everything.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Identical twins aren’t identical either. (Genetically, yes, but not once they start growing; then experience differentiates.)


5 posted on 10/04/2012 7:51:52 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: GeronL

Maybe you did not understand but Romney made it clear that it is up to the states not for the federal government to deal with healthcare. It’s called federalism , it’s called limiting the federal government as the founders intended and for the states to be labs.


6 posted on 10/04/2012 7:52:42 AM PDT by Democrat_media (China is destroying all our jobs and manufacturing ability. China makes everything.)
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To: Tublecane

Romney wants to limit the federal government and let the states do most things as is in the constitution.


7 posted on 10/04/2012 7:53:44 AM PDT by Democrat_media (China is destroying all our jobs and manufacturing ability. China makes everything.)
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To: SeekAndFind
So here's what this article says is the difference:
8 posted on 10/04/2012 7:54:37 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: SeekAndFind

This article highlights one important major difference between Obama and Romney, although it’s not the one the author intended.

Romney can get “conservatives” to support socialism, and Obama can’t.


9 posted on 10/04/2012 7:54:37 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If your only choice is evil, you've either died and gone to hell, or you're a Republican.)
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To: Democrat_media

The federalism argument has always been weak. (AntiObamacarers certainly oppose it for more reasons than that it’s unconstitutional). Anyway, Obama wasn’t arguing that Mitt wants a national Romneycare, just that Obamacare borrowed heavily from Romneycare. Which is inarguable.


10 posted on 10/04/2012 7:57:18 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: SeekAndFind
Don't try to tell me that Romneycare is anything but a socialist takeover of medicine. Just because he's "our guy" doesn't mean we have to swallow all his BS.
11 posted on 10/04/2012 7:59:14 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything)
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To: EternalVigilance

Maybe you did not understand but Romney made it clear that it is up to the states not for the federal government to deal with healthcare. It’s called federalism , it’s called limiting the federal government as the founders intended and for the states to be labs.

The constitution limits the federal government and grants most powers to the states. Romney showed he is for limiting the federal government , repealing Obamacare, reducing regulations,privatizing medicare. Get it back into the states. do you understand that constitutional principle? All you can do is use liberal media spin to bash Romney


12 posted on 10/04/2012 7:59:31 AM PDT by Democrat_media (China is destroying all our jobs and manufacturing ability. China makes everything.)
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To: Democrat_media

Romney made it real clear in a USA TODAY column advising Obama in about 2009 to implement a national version of RomneyCare.

Am I supposed to pretend it never happened? Romney wanted it national, no use to pretend otherwise.


13 posted on 10/04/2012 8:00:11 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Democrat_media

I don’t actually believe that, but will accept it at least as regards Obamacare. That being said just because states can do things doesn’t mean they should. Just because Romneycare wasn’t unconstitutional like Obamacare doesn’t mean Romney should have supported it. Nor do his federalist convictions absolve him of responsibility for inspiring bigger plans.


14 posted on 10/04/2012 8:00:43 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane

Guess you didn’t listen to the debate or didn’t understand it.

Romney said it’s not for the federal government to limit our freedom and choices in healthcare.


15 posted on 10/04/2012 8:00:49 AM PDT by Democrat_media (China is destroying all our jobs and manufacturing ability. China makes everything.)
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To: DannyTN

RE: The way they were passed.
Obamacare has no Copayments.
Obamacare has free birth control.
Obamacare children can stay on parent’s plan up to age 26.
Is that it???

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I’m not very familiar with Romneycare, but here are a few questions that come to mind:

1) Has it brought down healthcare cost for tax payers in MA?

2) How’s the healthcare COST for the state? Is it in deficit? surplus, or balance?

3) Can patients choose their doctors under Romneycare? Do doctors accept patients under the plan?

4) Does Romneycare have something similar to Obamacare’s unaccountable 15 person IPAB ( A.K.A Sarah Palin’s “death panels” )?


16 posted on 10/04/2012 8:01:53 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (bOTRT)
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To: Democrat_media

All you’ve done on this thread is repeat talking points. Talk about spin.


17 posted on 10/04/2012 8:03:14 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: SeekAndFind

Obamacare is about moving more cash to DC..so politicians can steal it...they could care less about what people need. Most states have healthcare for people who need it.


18 posted on 10/04/2012 8:05:35 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: Tublecane
Guess you didn’t listen to the debate or didn’t understand it.

Romney said it’s not for the federal government to limit our freedom and choices in healthcare.

Everything Romney said was for limiting the federal government. Romney said he will repeal Obamacare, repeal dod frank, reduce regulations , even privatize medicare. you all probably didn't understand any of that. Not even Reagan proposed privatizing medicare. oh yeah even that is not Conservative to you all. Romney said he thinks the free market works better than government and will allow the private sector to compete with medicare so that will be the destruction of medicare. but you call that a socialist when it is the opposite . that's called freedom , limiting the FEDERAL government as the constitution intended. if the people(nuts) in Massachusetts want some socialist program let them , that is the lab.

19 posted on 10/04/2012 8:05:59 AM PDT by Democrat_media (China is destroying all our jobs and manufacturing ability. China makes everything.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Good questions.

I don’t know the answers either. I remember early in the primaries many articles on Mass going bankrupt due to Romneycare.

The panel question is a good one. And is Obama’s claim that the panel is prohibited by law from dictating care true?


20 posted on 10/04/2012 8:07:02 AM PDT by DannyTN
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