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Why Obama Will Lose All Three Debates
American Thinker ^ | 10-8-12 | Monty Pelerin

Posted on 10/08/2012 12:36:51 PM PDT by kingattax

President Obama had a terrible debate last week.

Supporters and opponents were shocked that he could be so off his game. They shouldn't have been. That they were indicates that they don't understand Obama's serious, likely insurmountable re-election problem.

Obama supporters and detractors expect the old Obama to show better form in the next debate.

But that is not going to happen! It cannot, because Obama's critical problem is not correctable.

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1 posted on 10/08/2012 12:36:54 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: kingattax
As Ron White so elequently put it...

You can't fix stupid.

2 posted on 10/08/2012 12:41:13 PM PDT by VRWCarea51
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To: kingattax

I hope Monty Pelerin’s analysis is correct, and spot on. If so, we will get our republic back in the hands of We the People. Stayed tuned for the next debate.


3 posted on 10/08/2012 12:47:23 PM PDT by BAW (“If you’ve got a business – you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”- Pres Obama)
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To: VRWCarea51

Regardless of what happens, even if he falls flat on his face again, the media spin will be “remarkable comeback! This is the Obama we all know!” They were caught off guard and not prepared for what a dismal showing he would have. They will be prepared this next round to put up the good show.


4 posted on 10/08/2012 12:47:43 PM PDT by RayBob (If guns kill people, can I blame misspelled words on my keyboard?)
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To: kingattax

He wasn’t off his game. That’s the best he’s got.


5 posted on 10/08/2012 12:49:39 PM PDT by wny
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To: kingattax

I still don’t want to get cocky. Evildoers like the Marxist always might have tricks up their sleeves. Let’s just enter each debate with humility and hope, just like the first one, and then be pleasantly surprised.


6 posted on 10/08/2012 12:50:15 PM PDT by BlueStateRightist
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To: kingattax

Romney can’t lose the foreign policy one because he has no experience. Obama will have to stay on defense all night. His only success was Osama and possibly pulling out of Iraq.
Everything has been going badly for Obama overseas.


7 posted on 10/08/2012 12:50:34 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: kingattax; All

afterdebates 2 & 3

ABC
CBS
NBC
CNN

” Obama Exposes Romney Lies in All Three Debates”


8 posted on 10/08/2012 12:51:45 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: kingattax

bttt


9 posted on 10/08/2012 12:55:57 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little. EdmondBurke)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Greek columns. Obama needs more Greek columns. Styrofoam columns will do. Yeah. That is the ticket.


10 posted on 10/08/2012 12:56:46 PM PDT by Big Giant Head
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To: kingattax

I pray Romney does not relax, but to stay on top of his game. obamma can still be dangerous. As someone else has said, Romney has two opponents, obamma and the moderator (msm) in these debates.


11 posted on 10/08/2012 12:59:08 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: Big Giant Head

Obama cannot debate.

In 2008 there was nothing to run on except say McCain will be a continuation of Bush. That won’t fly. Now Obama has to defend policies which he cannot defend.

It’s easy for the MSM to toss softballs to Obama when he can give a canned 1 minute answer. Can’t do that now. If Obama says it is Bush’s fault, he is exposed. He cannot take responsibility so it is Romney’s opening. And the MSM has to show some credibility or the Romney campaign can go on the offensive that the MSM is in the bag for Obama.

All Obama can do is hope his attack dogs spin it away after the beating.


12 posted on 10/08/2012 1:04:08 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Yeah but on the bright side. If he loses the next two debates, Unemployment will be next to 0%.


13 posted on 10/08/2012 1:08:44 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Yeah but on the bright side. If he loses the next two debates, Unemployment will be next to 0%.


14 posted on 10/08/2012 1:08:52 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: kingattax
it is possible that he no longer believes there is truth other than what he wants it to be.

Postmodernist philosophy:

"We should give up the correspondence theory of truth, and start treating moral and scientific beliefs as tools for achieving greater human happiness, rather than as representations of the intrinsic nature of reality."

Richard Rorty

15 posted on 10/08/2012 1:17:45 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: AppyPappy
That when Romney goes for the Florida Jewish vote. He hangs the anti-Jew positions of Hussein out there for the Jewish vote to see.
Heck, Romney has met more time s with Bibi Net this year than Hussein.
16 posted on 10/08/2012 1:18:06 PM PDT by Kozy (Calling Al Gore)
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To: AppyPappy

He pulled out of Iraq on the original timeline using the Bush strategy that his party had predetermined was a failure. Then he instituted a version of the same strategy in Afghanistan and it has been a failure. The marked difference between the two campaigns is the relative importance of the cities in each nation and how they are tied (or not tied) to overall security. Additionally the ROE in Afghanistan has gotten really bad.


17 posted on 10/08/2012 1:19:10 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: kingattax
Obama's problem, to put it politely, is his looseness with facts.

One of Romney's most pointed moments (ah, there were many...) was when Obama said that we should not be giving $2.5B in tax credits to oil companies. Romney came back and said that within four years Obama gave the green energy companies $90B, more than the oil companies have ever got through the years combined. Obama looked like a deer in the headlights.

This will be his problem in all the debates.

18 posted on 10/08/2012 1:20:11 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: kingattax

Does anyone here think the MSM will allow him to lose the next two debates? I bet they have already gotten to the moderators and are have their “comeback” stories written and in the can. However harsh Bob Portman and the crew was last time in preparing Romney, they need to double their efforts, including possibly waterboarding Romney while he is asked questions.


19 posted on 10/08/2012 1:20:53 PM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: kingattax

Romney needs to answer in foreign languages occasionally ;)


20 posted on 10/08/2012 1:23:03 PM PDT by PghBaldy (I am sick of Obama's and Hillary's apologies to muslims, especially after 11 September 2012.)
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To: BlueStateRightist

Right on. A cornered animal is most dangerous. Romney has to have two more stellar performances in spite of whatever the rats throw at him.


21 posted on 10/08/2012 1:25:02 PM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
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To: kingattax

WRONG... when you unlevel the playing field and the judges(moderators) are ringers your doomed in a debate..

The Townhall will be salted with “trained” Obama operatives probably 80% of the audience maybe 90%.. and the moderators will be trained as well.. Rehearsal going on currently as speak somewhere..

Saying Obama has nothing, is not true.. He has half-truths and lies galore.. maybe a few new ones.. Especially lies that would take 10 minutes to get close to explaining.. He will not have 10 minutes.. and will appears to be making “EXCUSES”..

Obama will obliterate him.. wipe the floor with him..
ALL lies and half-truths BUT you might notice they have worked quite well so far.. If you think they will not work... I give you Juan McLaim and the Hildebeast Clintoon..

Over confidence is the republicans party’s greatest disadvantage and the democrats greatest asset.. Republicans just cannot mentally absorb the depth of the democrats malfeance.. i.e. bi-partisanship is republican candy.. fed by democrats...

UNLESS Romney is on the deal the “DIVE” and then the connivance takes a more sinister turn.. For sure republicans cannot grasp that concept.. Like they still have not come to grips with George Bush’s second term..

The One Worlders seem to have Uncle Sam by the Balls..
and are squeezing strongly.. i.e. the balls; Myth and Barry..


22 posted on 10/08/2012 1:25:38 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: rawhide

Unless, obama has a teleprompter to guide him, Romney just needs to be himself and answer the questions.
obama is incapable of answering anything without a script.


23 posted on 10/08/2012 1:28:34 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: BlueStateRightist

“I still don’t want to get cocky. Evildoers like the Marxist always might have tricks up their sleeves.”

Like rigged elections. Perhaps you noticed that Hugo Chavez was reelected, again. As Stalin said, all that matters is who counts the votes.


24 posted on 10/08/2012 1:31:34 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: kingattax

It’s so stupidly funny that Zero campaigned in ‘08 on “Hope and Change”, without really defining what hope and change really meant. Now, he wants Romney to specifically spell out, in detail, what his plans are, and no one questions Zero on this. Why wasn’t he specific in ‘08? Why isn’t he specific now? If he wasn’t specific in ‘08, why should Romney be so now?


25 posted on 10/08/2012 1:33:29 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: BlueStateRightist

Next time he will have his choom gang of the Media to help. It will not be Mitt vs. Berry—it will be Mitt vs. The Townhall, the reporters, the cameraman, and Obama—now high energy and prepped with all the lies he can hold. Mitt better watch out—But if Obama stumbles—he’s toast.


26 posted on 10/08/2012 1:44:35 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: kingattax
This whole emphasis on debates misses the point, IMHO.

I see it this way: Obeyme can (and will) get crushed in all three debates, and his fellow travelers will vote for him anyway. Gotta keep the collectivist gravy train rollin', don't ya know.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

27 posted on 10/08/2012 1:46:34 PM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: jeffc
Now, he wants Romney to specifically spell out, in detail, what his plans are, and no one questions Zero on this.

Exactly! Accuse the enemy of what you are doing! Saul Alinsky tactics. Ubama has only hot air - no specifics and he accuses Romney of not providing specifics and those details Romney releases Ubama lies about them!

28 posted on 10/08/2012 1:49:13 PM PDT by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals crazy!)
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To: massgopguy

Yeah but on the bright side. If he loses the next two debates, Unemployment will be next to 0%.

LOL! I’m thinking that BO will cancel the third debate.


29 posted on 10/08/2012 1:49:30 PM PDT by dandiegirl
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To: FlipWilson

Long ago—when I was a teen—I loved to make games—Board Games mostly of World War Two. I had one friend who always won. So I made a game called “Hitler Bunker” It was 1945. I rigged it so I could win. I played the allies, my friend played Hitler with all the Nazi troops he had on January 1, 1945. I had USA, England, Russia, etc... We played for four hours—He won! Invaded England and killed Ike and Patton. This proved he was a better player. Maybe the rigged debates will show that even when the deck is stacked—Mitt Romney can will and win big. Its not the game so much as the players.


30 posted on 10/08/2012 1:51:37 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: missnry

I want to know exactly how BO is going to help the economy by the middlle class out method. No one has asked him to explain this method, but we must have minute details of Romney’s plans.


31 posted on 10/08/2012 1:51:51 PM PDT by dandiegirl
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To: kingattax
"Why Obama Will Lose All Three Debates"...

I'm not even going to read this article but, I pray the headline will reach God's ear! For we know Obumbler will be seething with anger and the chairs will be stacked against Romney. Remember a cornered RAT will scratch his way out. DON'T COUNT the Ojoker's team out, they are up to something and it stinks to HIGH heaven!! The headlines that had to be tabled from the first debate are already on print waiting for the second debate to declare their Black Turd victorious. Oturd will get a bounce and probably regain the lead if he has a good debate...the sheeple are stupid and the poll numbers will be cooked ala unemployment numbers!!

GOD IS OUR SOURCE!!

32 posted on 10/08/2012 1:52:18 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: hosepipe

I think you are overly pessimistic. The moderators will have their long knives out and the majority of the “folk” may be ringers, but Romney’s team trained him well.

The core of Bobo’s debate problems stem from his narcissism. He has NEVER had anyone talk to him like that Romney did. I predict that he will become so frustrated that he will have some kind of embarrassing melt-down.


33 posted on 10/08/2012 1:53:10 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Romney vs Obama, Round One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyNxHOZiQPA)
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To: jeffc

Romney should point out that obama has constantly said “It’s Bush’s fault”. Yet he now claims “we’re moving in the right direction”. Is that to Bush’s credit?


34 posted on 10/08/2012 1:55:10 PM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: rawhide

I pray Romney does not relax, but to stay on top of his game. obamma can still be dangerous. As someone else has said, Romney has two opponents, obamma and the moderator (msm) in these debates.


Mitt did an excellent Job today of setting the agenda for VP and Pres debates on Foreign policy.

He’s going to talk about what he believes in and won’t be swayed by their
Assaults.

No chance for the followup you lied now. He can just stay on message and
Refer back to his speech.


35 posted on 10/08/2012 1:55:20 PM PDT by patriotspride
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To: kingattax
Romney hit on a good point in the first debate when Obama criticized what he called "subsidies to oil companies" and Romney came back with the story of the friend who said Obama doesn't just pick winners and losers, he "picks losers."

If he can follow up on such criticisms on other issues with a similar response, then Obama's hypocrisy can be exposed. For instance, when "profits" come up, Obama tends to get defensive anyway, or, he condescends to "approve" of profits--as if, as President of the United States, he needs to pronounce such a favorable opinion of the very "engine" of commerce and prosperity!

"It is a socialist idea that making profits is a vice. I consider the real vice is making losses." - Winston Churchill

--which seems to be the penchant of the current President.

36 posted on 10/08/2012 2:02:50 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: AppyPappy

The Iraq withdrawal plan was all in place before he ever took office. He should get no credit for Iraq, not that that would stop him form gloating over it.


37 posted on 10/08/2012 2:04:09 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: AppyPappy

My concern for the foreign policy debate is the Iran conundrum. What do we do about Iran’s nuclear weapons program? The Iranians are going to build a bomb unless we stop them, and it appears that only an act of war will do it. So either we are willing to go to war with Iran, or we are willing to let them have their bombs. I don’t see a way to have our cake and eat it too.

So, are we willing to go to war over this issue or not? If Romney says yes, he gets branded a war-monger and I seriously doubt that the American public is willing go up the hill with him. If he says “let’s do really strong diplomacy” he looks weak and 0bama can say “that’s what I’m already doing.”

I really hope Romney and his advisers can figure out a way out of this box.


38 posted on 10/08/2012 2:06:45 PM PDT by henkster (With Carter, the embassy staff was still alive.)
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To: patriotspride

[ No chance for the followup you lied now. He can just stay on message and Refer back to his speech. ]

You thought up by yerself.. fine..
But it WILL NOT go that way.. (at all)...
The real world is not fair..

Its a debate not a campaign screed..
A debate with people specifically set up and “orchestrated” to hamstring you..
OH!... in case you don’t know.. THEY KNOW HOW to do that..


39 posted on 10/08/2012 2:09:14 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Jeff Chandler
Re your statement about his never having had anyone talking to him like that, we might remember the meeting around the table where Romney's running mate, Paul Ryan, though speaking courteously, challenged him on Obamacare by correcting him on the facts about what the American people wanted.

Then there also is the courageous Israeli Prime Minister who displayed the qualities of an authentic leader in forthright remarks to the President while seated beside him in the White House press conference.

The reactions were similar, however.

40 posted on 10/08/2012 2:12:02 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: kingattax; a fool in paradise

The authors says that Obama is a “sound bite” president. True enough but imprecise. That “sound bite” is a modern term, Obama is a pre-modern Marxist ideologue spouting standard Marxist lines. That’s all there is to him, his whole reportoire.

Nevertheless, the MSM will never admit that he lost all three debates. No, this is like the old wrestling bouts at the Olympic Auditorium, with Johnny Red Shoes Dugan refereeing. In Wednesdays bad Roddy Piper would defeat and bloody our (this is L.A., remember) good Chavo Guerrero in a televised bout. But the revenge championship bout was to take on Saturday, and not be televised (children under 7 free admission.) Chavo would then emerge a winner, and of course worldwide champion once again. Until the next Wednesday.


41 posted on 10/08/2012 2:19:15 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: hosepipe

Its a debate not a campaign screed..
A debate with people specifically set up and “orchestrated” to hamstring you..
OH!... in case you don’t know.. THEY KNOW HOW to do that..


Sure they will try to hamstring him, but I think he will keep on message
Which, to me, is a good one.

Mitt will talk to them in that audience , but his response will be for the rest
Of us who are not in attendance.

Have faith. I do.


42 posted on 10/08/2012 2:22:01 PM PDT by patriotspride
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To: Jeff Chandler
The moderators will have their long knives out and the majority of the “folk” may be ringers, but Romney’s team trained him well.

My worry is that the town hall debate will be wall-to-wall abortion and gay marriage, with a little 'war on women' thrown in for good measure.

Unless Romney is really on his game, look for the moderator and the "folk" to kneecap him on the social issues while they circle the wagons around Zero.

43 posted on 10/08/2012 2:27:22 PM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: kingattax

great piece...


44 posted on 10/08/2012 2:27:57 PM PDT by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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To: bassmaner

My worry is that the town hall debate will be wall-to-wall abortion and gay marriage, with a little ‘war on women’ thrown in for good measure


Could be . Mitt will respectfully tell them he disagrees and keep his eye on the bigger prize. Those who don’t want the govt dolling out their dollars for
Someone else’s personal responsibility and decisions.


45 posted on 10/08/2012 2:47:10 PM PDT by patriotspride
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To: bassmaner

All he has to say on “gay marriage” is “It’s a state issue.”

As for abortion, his stance is “middle of the road”.

As for “war on women” he needs to say “War on women? Unemployment among women since obama took office is 25%. Working women need jobs. Sounds like the president is the one making war on women. Maybe he wants them to sit at home and bake cookies. I want them to be in the workforce with the same opportunity as men. In my 25 years of business experience I’ve hired (state a number) women as CEOs.”


46 posted on 10/08/2012 2:53:10 PM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: loveliberty2
we might remember the meeting around the table where Romney's running mate, Paul Ryan, though speaking courteously, challenged him on Obamacare by correcting him on the facts about what the American people wanted. Then there also is the courageous Israeli Prime Minister who displayed the qualities of an authentic leader in forthright remarks to the President while seated beside him in the White House press conference.

Good points. They reinforce my prediction that Bobo will melt down.

How in the world are they going to rewire Bobo's brain to accept give-and-take in such a short time?

47 posted on 10/08/2012 3:01:27 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Romney vs Obama, Round One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyNxHOZiQPA)
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To: Revolting cat!
Roddy Piper would defeat and bloody our (this is L.A., remember) good Chavo Guerrero

PAST my time. When I was a lad I watched Freddie Blassie and Bobo Brazil.

BTW, I actually attended a boxing match at the Olympic when I was a teenager. I watched Ernie "Indian Red" Lopez beat the snot out some Japanese guy.

48 posted on 10/08/2012 3:06:53 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Romney vs Obama, Round One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyNxHOZiQPA)
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To: RayBob

It will be a “you’re no Jack Kennedy” moment. The “lie” spin is the setup. Axelrod is employing the same tactics he used in for Paul Simon v. Percy in 1984.

Yeah, they are that desperate. Check out the parallels.


49 posted on 10/08/2012 3:08:32 PM PDT by maggief
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To: Revolting cat!

Correction: I saw his brother, Danny “Little Red” Lopez.


50 posted on 10/08/2012 3:14:05 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Romney vs Obama, Round One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyNxHOZiQPA)
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