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For heart patients, medical disclosure can limit treatment
LA Times ^ | Oct 9, 2012 | Alan Zarembo

Posted on 10/10/2012 10:39:06 AM PDT by Innovative

Heart attack patients in states that require healthcare providers to report the outcomes of procedures to open blocked arteries are less likely to receive those life-saving treatments than similar patients in states without public reporting mandates, according to a new study.

... the study, published Wednesday in the Journal of the American Medical Assn., shows that public reporting does not automatically lead to better outcomes - and potentially can backfire.

In 2010, the most recent year in the analysis, 38% of patients in the three states that require public reporting .. received an artery-opening procedure. That compared with 43% of patients in seven states without the requirement

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: elections; government; healthcare; obamacare
Just wait until Obamacare is fully implemented and the death panels will fully kick in, deciding who is worth saving and who isn't...

Vote as if your life depended on it, because it does...

1 posted on 10/10/2012 10:39:13 AM PDT by Innovative
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To: Innovative

Sounds like those decisions are already being made, the public disclosure just brought it to light.


2 posted on 10/10/2012 10:48:40 AM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: Innovative

“This GNS moment brought to you by ...
Obamacare...when you wanna get screwed without the lube, use Obamacare”.

[spit]

We better win and repeal this mess....


3 posted on 10/10/2012 11:11:06 AM PDT by Adder (No Mo BO)
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To: DonaldC
I remember arguing with a pathology resident 30 years ago that hospital treated patients by a “percentage philosophy”. That is the philosophy behind the announcement that mammograms for women under 50, and prostate screening for men were not needed because the percentage of people that survived because their cancers were detected early was too low to be worth the financial output. Tell that to the 5 % who would have died without the screenings.
4 posted on 10/10/2012 11:22:50 AM PDT by heylady (“Sometimes I wish I could be a Democrat and then I remember I have a soul.”( Deb))
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To: Adder
I don't see this practice being repealed. Advances in technology have made health care extremely expensive. Hospitals have to negotiate contracts for reimbursement from insurance providers every year. Hospitals don't have the money to absorb the costs of procedures that the insurance companies won't pay for. We have made major strides in health care unfortunately we can no longer afford it.
5 posted on 10/10/2012 11:30:30 AM PDT by heylady (“Sometimes I wish I could be a Democrat and then I remember I have a soul.”( Deb))
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To: DonaldC
"Sounds like those decisions are already being made, the public disclosure just brought it to light.'

On the other hand, CMS, several insurance companies, and individual patients are suing hospitals, cardiologists and device makers over unnecessary cardiac procedures, mostly stent placements. Your heart skips a beat - you get a stent regardless of medical necessity, at about $50K payment per procedure. Perhaps the public disclosure is part of the campaign to slow down unnecessary procedures that cost all of us dollars through either higher insurance premiums or taxes. Then again, the death panels do need base line stats from which to make a decision.

6 posted on 10/10/2012 11:34:34 AM PDT by buckalfa (Nabob of Negativity)
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To: heylady

38% of patients in the three states that require public reporting .. received an artery-opening procedure. That compared with 43% of patients in seven states without the requirement

Sounds to me like its not insurance companies...sounds more like its bureaucrats somewhere who do not want to be second guessed because someone will raise hell....

[But you are right, we HAVE made great strides we cannot afford. We can keep people alive for a long time and can prolong their suffering for ages. I’ve agonized with too many dear ones too sick to have quality lives , bedridden but kept alive, not quite ready to go. Don’t want that to be me. My personal solution? Give me my blue pill and I’ll leave a note telling you where you can find me...]


7 posted on 10/10/2012 12:03:36 PM PDT by Adder (No Mo BO)
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To: Innovative

It’s cherry pickin’ time. A guy with a .500 BA and 10 AB is not better than a .328 hitter with 500 AB. Eventually, the most experienced doctors near retirement will get sick and tired of the whole thing and give up. Medicare patients are screwed if 0-care survives.


8 posted on 10/10/2012 12:16:02 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot)
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To: Innovative

It’s cherry pickin’ time. A guy with a .500 BA and 10 AB is not better than a .328 hitter with 500 AB. Eventually, the most experienced doctors near retirement will get sick and tired of the whole thing and give up. Medicare patients are screwed if 0-care survives.


9 posted on 10/10/2012 12:16:09 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot)
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To: grumpygresh

My dad has two cardiologists (the plumber - puts in stents, the electrician - deals with pacemaker) and both have told us they are ‘gone’ when Obamacare kicks in. Both are fairly ‘young’, late 50’s for one, early 60’s on the other. Both are excellent, caring, experienced docs. They want to help their patients, not be bogged down in approvals, paperwork, denied care, etc.


10 posted on 10/10/2012 1:24:58 PM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: Innovative

Governor Sarah Palin right again.


11 posted on 10/10/2012 1:57:45 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: heylady
Are you going to use this philosophy for every cost-INeffective test? Or just the ones that you think you need?

May I suggest the book "Economics in One Lesson", by Harry Hazlitt. The book explains that you always have to look at where the money would have gone if you don't do something you intend, or more usually, something the government intends to do.

Since money in general is limited, you have to figure out what other medical test or procedure must now be limited in order to provide enough mammograms to limit the missed cancers to whatever small number you want.

Medical spending via the government is already highly political, and your idea would just make it much worse. More money is spent on mammograms than on prostate cancer, yet breast cancer hits 1 in 8 women, while prostate cancer hits 1 in 6 men. As long as we don't have an infinite supply of money, some way to decide where to spend it is needed, and cost per life saved seems reasonable, even though it sucks when you are the one who comes up short.

I've been fighting sarcoidosis for almost 40 years now, and it sucks, there's no way to know it's coming, and little to no research spent on it. I've got little empathy for those who want more and more of my money to make sure that they never have anything bad happen to them. If you are more paranoid than your insurance company or Medicare, then pay more for your own tests. Bad things happen, many many bad things are possible. If you spend every penny you have on medical tests to avoid the ones you know about, something else will bite you and you won't have the money to cope. So suck it up and learn to balance the risks like an adult.

Sorry if this sounds grumpy, but today grumpy seems to go well with cynical.

12 posted on 10/10/2012 3:05:02 PM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: slowhandluke

That’s ok. Everybody has a right to be grumpy sometime.


13 posted on 10/10/2012 3:28:26 PM PDT by heylady (“Sometimes I wish I could be a Democrat and then I remember I have a soul.”( Deb))
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